Does Obama really want a second term?

[INdemo]

He sure as hell doing everything he can possible do to keep that from happening..Did the corporate mafia get to him and he really doesn't care to become a 2nd term President...With Gibbs as an adviser,that would seem to be a major downfall.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-adviser-gibbs-says-obama-focused-on-creating-jobs-for-unemployed-not-saving-his-own/2011/08/16/gIQA1LRtIJ_story.html

[monmouth]

1. I believe Gibbs also mentioned Prez. was not "obsessing" over it...n/t

[RegieRocker]

2. He could care less

[Lost-in-FL]

3. I don't blame him one bit. nt

[Aerows]

4. If I was President Obama

I wouldn't want a second term. I'd get out and go on the lecture circuit where the big bucks are, secure in the knowledge that I'd have Secret Service protection for life.

[3waygeek]

7. Presidents after Clinton only get SS protection

for 10 years after leaving office.

[Name removed]

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[closeupready]

18. Wow, who's full of shit? See Public Law 103-329.

You should be suspended for your abusive language.

[Aerows]

23. Bush still has an SS detail.

It doesn't matter what the law or theory states as long as what is put into practice is different.

[closeupready]

24. Has it been 10 years since he left office? Do you not read what people post in response to you?

I guess not, or you don't care. Either way, good to know that so I need not read anything else you ever post, since you aren't to be taken seriously.

[Aerows]

25. "Or unless in reasonable danger"

That clause, right there, ensures that every single president of the United States has a security detail. And I didn't even define which Bush, because you know as well as I do that both of them have one.

[closeupready]

45. Okay, great. Welcome to my ignore list, potty-mouth.

nt

[Obamanaut]

46. Of course both Presidents Bush have security details. One has only been out of office

since Jan 2009, the other one is still covered because under the old rule - as is Clinton.

If the younger Bush is still covered at the end of the 10 year period, I'm sure you will raise a stink.

[SidDithers]

19. § 3056. Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service...

(a) Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons:
(1) The President, the Vice President (or other officer next in the order of succession to the Office of President), the President-elect, and the Vice President-elect.
(2) The immediate families of those individuals listed in paragraph (1).
(3) Former Presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage unless the former President did not serve as President prior to January 1, 1997, in which case, former Presidents and their spouses for a period of not more than ten years from the date a former President leaves office, except that—
(A) protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage or the divorce from, or death of a former President; and
(B) should the death of a President occur while in office or within one year after leaving office, the spouse shall receive protection for one year from the time of such death:
Provided, That the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to direct the Secret Service to provide temporary protection for any of these individuals at any time if the Secretary of Homeland Security or designee determines that information or conditions warrant such protection.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003056----000-.html

SS protection for life for Presidents serving prior to Jan 1, 1997. 10 years only for Presidents serving after Jan 1, 1997.

I think you owe 3waygeek an apology.

Sid

[Aerows]

22. Uh huh. Bush still has an SS detail.

What is defined by law is seldom put into practice.

[Obamanaut]

26. Left office in Jan 2009. It is now August 2011. That is less that 10 years. That

is the reason for the current SS detail.

[Aerows]

27. H. W. Bush

still has a security detail.

[Aerows]

28. What, no one want to refute me on that one?

I mean, it either is or it isn't. Clinton still has one, too.

Again, anyone want to refute me on that one, or is confirmation one way or the other... not something you should be doing on a public message board?

Please, do step up to the plate.

[SidDithers]

31. Clinton was in office in 1992...

that's before 1997, so he'll get lifetime protection.

Bush Sr. was in office in 1988. That's before 1997, so he'll get lifetime protection.

Bush Jr. got into office in 2000. That's after 1997, so he'll get 10 years from the time he leaves office. He left office in Jan 2009. He'll get protection until Jan 2019.

I stepped up to the plate, and just hit your hanging curve cheeseball out of the park. Go hit the showers.

Sid

Edit: technically, Clinton took office in 1993, Bush Sr. in 1989, and Bush Jr. in 2001 but that doesn't change the point in any way.

[Obamanaut]

35. This should help you a little as to why Clinton and the elder Bush have SS detail

“He’ll be the first one to receive it for 10 years,” said Malcolm Wiley, Secret Service spokesman. Congress changed the law in the 1990s so that any president elected after Jan. 1, 1997, and his or her spouse will receive the federal protection for only 10 years.


http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/bush-will-be-first-ex-president-to-get-limit-on-secret-service-protection/


The excerpt refers to the younger Bush. The other two you mentioned were elected prior to 1997.

[Obamanaut]

48. Well, is it clear now? nt

[SidDithers]

29. Are you intentionally trying to not understand this?...

Presidents who serve before Jan 1 1997 get lifetime protection.

Presidents who serve after Jan 1 1997 get protection for 10 years from the time they leave office.

So Clinton and everyone before him get lifetime protection. Bush Jr. and everyone after him will get 10 years from the time they leave office.

:shrug:

Sid

[Aerows]

30. Are you intentionally trying to not understand, either

just to make a point?

[SidDithers]

33. I'm just waiting for you to apologize to 3waygeek for calling him "full of shit"...

when it was he that was right, and you that was spectacularly wrong.

Sid

[nomb]

36. The Law is clear. Clinton is the last with automatic lifetime protection, all others get 10 years SS

Nothing difficult about it.

[SidDithers]

37. Yup. Seems pretty clear to me too...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[Aerows]

41. There is a reason why I am not listening to either of you

And if you think it through, you'd realize why.

[SidDithers]

43. It's pretty obvious you're not listening...

Anyone reading the thread will see you're not listening.

I really couldn't give a flying fuck why you're not listening.

Sid

[Aerows]

44. I know

since you don't give much of a flying fuck, period.

[Wait Wut]

38. They can pay for it out of their own pocket.

Not like anyone really gives a shit about either Bush. It just makes him look important and he's got money to burn.

[Obamanaut]

40. So does Clinton, because they were elected prior to 1997

“He’ll be the first one to receive it for 10 years,” said Malcolm Wiley, Secret Service spokesman. Congress changed the law in the 1990s so that any president elected after Jan. 1, 1997, and his or her spouse will receive the federal protection for only 10 years.


http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/bush-will-be-first-ex-president-to-get-limit-on-secret-service-protection/


The excerpt refers to the younger Bush. The other two you mentioned were elected prior to 1997.

[Recovered Repug]

32. Which Bush?

If you are referring to Bush I, he will recieve lifetime protection. If you are referring to Bush II, he will recieve protection for 10 years AFTER LEAVING OFFICE (or for those with basic math skills - about 7.5 more years.)

Actually, Bush II will be the first president that is affected by the 10 year limit.


In 1997, Congress enacted legislation (Public Law 103-329) that limits Secret Service protection for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under this new law, individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton will be the last president to receive lifetime protection.

http://www.secretservice.gov/faq.shtml#faq9

[Aerows]

42. You know what?

I'm ending the discussion. You are all absolutely right, and there is absolutely no reason why OUT IN PUBLIC this should be discussed.

[Obamanaut]

47. Are you the 'decider' as to when discussions end? nt

[renate]

5. I am honestly starting to wonder

I've remained a supporter and even a fan--I think he's a wonderful, compassionate, brilliant guy--but either his advisers suck uncontrollably or he doesn't want a second term. I actually think it's the first hypothesis rather than the second, but why can't he see what a rotten job they're doing?

Someone just needs to tell him: Republicans and Tea Partiers are NEVER going to like you. Never ever ever. Never. Stop sucking up to them and talk to the people who voted you in and want to see you get reelected.

[bemildred]

6. Either that or his handlers don't want it.

Or it could be from drinking too much or your own KoolAid.

[Solomon]

8. I think Obama has set the republicans up nicely.

When the democrats propose to use some of that money from raising the debt ceiling to create jobs,
the republicans will be forced to vote against creating jobs, right before the election.

I think more people will just get fed up with the republicans. We could win everything in 2012 because of the way they have been set up.

[TorchTheWitch]

9. I never thought he did

Several times before he was even sworn in he said things that gave the impression that he either expected not to have a second term, didn't want one or didn't care if he did or not. I thought it was odd. I don't recall any president who didn't go into it expecting it would be 2 terms and would fight tooth and nail for it.

[MissDeeds]

10. By his own words and actions /policies

it appears re-election is not high on his "to-do" list. If he is not 'fired up and ready to go' for his re-election, why should we be? We don't need a tepid candidate; there is too much at stake.

[Kalidurga]

11. I would rather have a tepid candidate than any of the

batshitcrazy Republicons. We might not get everything we want right away maybe never. But, any of batshitcrazies in office will set us back decades in everything.

[INdemo]

15. If he doenst want to lead the ticket..I mean fired up and really want to lead the party then

he should pull an LBJ and get the hell out of the race now

[demosincebirth]

12. Naw, he's just killing time.

[Raine]

13. If he does he sure has an odd way of showing it. If he doesn't care

about a second term that much and can take it or leave it ... he needs to do like Johnson and let someone who really wants it run.

[jaxx]

14. Yes he does.

Thanks for caring so much.

[closeupready]

17. I honestly don't know.

Somedays, it seems like he does not.

[nomb]

20. Interesting "Q" when viewed from the current middle path. If yes - or no.

My head almost can't keep up with the "what-ifs" that those two simple variables throw off.

If re-election is the dominant variable, does one go center or follow through on commitments to those who elected them? If commitments are the dominant variable, would re-election be relevant - and then what of the policy shift?


Ahhh, musings regarding the number of angels that could stand on the head of pin. Too much fun to do alone.

[BlueIris]

21. I've been wondering about that.

Because based on his decision making track record, I doubt it's going to happen. His choices on the campaign trail have actually made reelection even less likely than it was before he declared. I don't know what he thinks he's doing, really. I doubt he even wanted to be there to begin with, and putting the Party and the country through more of this charade is just cruel.

[EstimatedProphet]

34. Yes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/aug/17/barack-obama-second-term-republicans

[Wait Wut]

39. I do.

:patriot: