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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:14 AM
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False Dichotomy for WH strategy: As Bill Clinton proved, job creation is the BEST deficit policy
According to a NY TImes story today (snippets below), there are two factions in the WH pushing sharply different strategies heading into the 2012 elections. On one side, allegedly, are David Plouffe and Bill Daley, who urge focusing on the issue Republicans have been screaming about since before their midterm victories last year (deficit reduction). On the other side, allegedly, are Gene Sperling and other WH economists who urge pushing for renewed stimulus spending or other job creation policies, even though Republicans have a majority in the House and filibuster abuse in the Senate that give such legislation no chance of passage.

But even the Times admitted that there is a third strategy, voiced by WH communications director Dan Pfeiffer, that sees no sharp conflict between short-term job creation strategies and long-term deficit reduction strategies.

I would go much further than Pfeiffer. IMO, President Obama should say in speeches from now until Election Day something like this:

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Some people act as if we never had to deal with deficits and debt before now. But that's not true. Bill Clinton inherited a deep recession from another George Bush, whose budget deficits grew deeper every year that Bush was in the WH. Bill Clinton's fiscal policies reduced longer-term deficits gradually but dramatically and, by the end of his second term, had turned huge deficits into huge budget surpluses.

How did he do it? Not by sparing the very wealthy from paying their fair share of taxes. And not by cutting education and other investments for the future. He focused on short-term and longer-term job creation, and created 23 million jobs over his eight years in office.

When the unemployed get hired, they go from tax-users to taxpayers. Every one percent decline in the unemployment rate now reduces will the ten-year deficit by X billion dollars. We did it before, and we'll do it again, without preventing poor students from getting Pell grants for college, without turning Medicare into nearly-worthless vouchers for seniors, and without maintaining huge tax loopholes for corporate jet owners and hedge-fund managers.

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"White House Debates Fight on Economy By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM and HELENE COOPER NY Times August 14 2011

... Mr. Obamas senior adviser, David Plouffe, and his chief of staff, William M. Daley, want him to maintain a pragmatic strategy of appealing to independent voters by advocating ideas that can pass Congress, even if they may not have much economic impact. ... 'The presidents team puts a premium on being above the partisan fray, which is usually the right strategy,' said Senator Charles E. Schumer of NY.... 'But on this issue, when a rather small group on one side is blocking any progress, you have to be willing to call that group out if you want to get anything done.'

Dan Pfeiffer, the White House director of communications, said that there was no internal debate. 'The presidents first priority is to work with Republicans and Democrats to grow the economy, create jobs and reduce the deficit, but if the Republican House continues its 'my way or the highway' approach, he will make sure the public knows who is standing in the way and why.' ...

So far, most signs point to a continuation of the nonconfrontational approach better to do something than nothing that has defined this administration. Mr. Obama and his aides are skeptical that voters will reward bold proposals if those ideas do not pass Congress. It is their judgment that moderate voters want tangible results rather than speeches. ... A series of departures has left few economists among Mr. Obamas senior advisers. Several of his political advisers are skeptical about the merits of stimulus spending, and they are certain about the politics: voters do not like it. Mr. Plouffe and Mr. Daley share the view that a focus on deficit reduction is an economic and political imperative, according to people who have spoken with them. Voters believe that paying down the debt will help the economy, and the White House agrees, although it wants to avoid cutting too much spending while the economy remains weak. As part of this appeal to centrist voters, the president
intends to continue his push for a so-called grand bargain on deficit reduction ..."

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/us/politics/14econ.html?pagewanted=print
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:17 AM
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1. Lets hope common sense prevails (Jobs)
Jobs not only will help stimulate consumer spending, but also replenish government programs, and investor CONFIDENCE. When investors this past week have low confidence of the banks that is a big alarm that austerity is NOT the way to go.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:13 PM
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8. Well said. Big Business knows that Keynesian economics is empirically sound
President Obama's upcoming road trip to MN, IA, and IL should boost stocks, IF it gets as much network news coverage as Michelle Bachmann and company got the week before.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:30 AM
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2. These people are demand killing idiots, flat out foolish and self destructive.
Why would we even consider retaining an administration lacking vision, principles, and will to put the workers and poor of this country first?

The political advice is bad for our country and our people.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:46 AM
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10. So you're going to vote Republican for President?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:03 PM
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3. Slashing Government Spending & dismantling the Safety Net during a Recession..
..has NEVER worked to revive the economy.
I can't help but believe that those in power KNOW this,
and have a different agenda.



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
The California Progressive Caucus WILL!!!


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!




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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:53 PM
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9. 'Those in power ... have a different agenda' Are you talking about Rs in Congress, or Ds in the WH?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:43 PM
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4. So it's putting politics over common sense?
Reelection over the welfare of the American people? No need now to wonder: Centrists are their favorite constituents, not liberals and NOT EVEN DEMOCRATS! I hate this administration.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:28 PM
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5. 'Re-election over the welfare of the American people'? Sounds like you're accepting
the false dichotomy.

IMO he needs to point out the long-term deficit problem in every speech, but he also must point out that reducing the unemployment rate raises the growth rate (Okun's law), and raising the growth rate lowers the ten-year deficit forecast. It's simple economics that has been proven by experience time and again after every previous recession.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:06 PM
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6. Estimate: A sustained 0.1 percentage point cut in the unemployemnt rate per year would
would reduce the 2011-2021 deficit by up to 6 TRILLION dollars!

(This was a tenth of the statistic I called "X" in the words I put into President Obama's mouth in the OP.)

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its latest long-term budget projections in January 2011 (see http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12039/01-26_FY2011Outlook.pdf ). CBO deficit projections are EXTREMELY sensitive to changes in assumptions about rates of GDP growth.

According to table B-1 on page 117 of that report, a sustained 0.1 percentage point decline in the rate of GDP growth would raise the 2011-2021 budget deficit by $3.1 trillion. According to "Okun's Law", a sustained percentage point drop in the unemployment rate is associated historically with a TWO percentage point rise in the rate of GDP growth. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okun's_law , or http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/10/real-gdp-growth-and-unemployment-rate.html , source of the following graphic :


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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 03:41 PM
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16. Kick!
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Necronomiconomics Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:02 PM
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7. This thread implicitly attacks Obama -- that won't win 2012
So stop pretending that Democratic policy ideas are good.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:36 AM
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14. Huh?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:12 AM
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11. Bill Daley may bring down Obama with bad advice
From OP: "On one side, allegedly, are David Plouffe and Bill Daley, who urge focusing on the issue Republicans have been screaming about since before their midterm victories last year (deficit reduction)."

Who thinks average people who are jobless or scared about the economy care about 'deficit reduction'? That plays into the republican Party's strategy.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:59 AM
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13. But 'people who are jobless or scared about the economy/' are not the swing voters
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 09:03 AM by ProgressiveEconomist
the President needs for re-election, IMO. They're already on our side, never vote, or vote against their own interests according to what they hear on 'Fox "News".

IMO the President MUST address the Republicans' media onslaught about "deficits" even though Republicans are simply exploiting recession to advance their longtime agenda and make no sense economically. Republicans have succeeded in getting the media to ignore joblessness. Independents and other swing voters won't re-elect Obama if he simply ignores the phoney "deficit" issue.

But, fortunately, the phoney deficit argument is about future budgets in 2013 and beyond. The President can say virtually ANYTHING that will satisfy swing voters, without actually DOING anything to damage the economy over the next year and a half. Why not say things that actually might help the actual short-term problem of joblessness? Why not turn the media's attention back to the real problems of today's economy?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:00 AM
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12. you can get him to SAY that...
but how will you get him to DO it
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:24 PM
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15. He's ALREADY said all of what I suggested, but just not in recent speeches on the
road in Michigan and Minnesota. (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1721439&mesg_id=1721439 for a CSPAN video library LINK to his Holland Michigan speech last week).

My suggested words would turn a good fall campaign speech into a GREAT fall campaign speech.

He's recently promised "week by week" additional initiatives to create jobs. And all of the measures I mentioned in the OP are, as the President said in Michigan, "teed up" for action by Congress NOW.
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