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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:51 AM
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David Cameron: Today's youth do not have enough respect for the powerful.
"For me, the root cause of this mindless selfishness is the same thing I have spoken about for years.

It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to feel the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities and their actions do not have consequences.
Well, they do have consequences.

We need to have a clearer code of standards and values that we expect people to live by and stronger penalties if they cross the line.

Restoring a stronger sense of responsibility across our society in every town, in every street, in every estate is something I am determined to do."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8693134/UK-riots-David-Camerons-statement-in-full.html
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:53 AM
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1. Britain Uber Alles
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:54 AM
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2. Maybe it's because you're such a fucking putz, Dave!
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM
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7. He had a point up until then
There was no excuse for the violence, especially directed against innocent people. But then he had to launch into an attack against the poor and the young.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:58 AM
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12. His entire political party and political career have been an attack on the poor and young.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:57 PM
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62. That's what I think too. PLUS.........
If he's really serious about "responsibility all across society" let's see how many rich fucking Tory bankers are held responsible. Or for that matter Murdochians in his OWN government. I have a feeling that "responsibility" is only for the poor and working class.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:04 PM
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21. Spoken like a true rightie authoritarian.
How many Peaceful Protests has he and his government
ignored???

These things have a progression. Peaceful Protests with
little or no response has consequences over time.

Not to condone but to understand.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 10:12 PM
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64. He could have perfectly posted that speech on DU. Wouldn`t stick out much among some contributions.
Authoritarian thinking is widespread.
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:55 AM
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3. Today's powerful do not have enough respect for youth.
Or for anyone else who isn't among the powerful.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:36 PM
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42. +7 billion
As a whole, the powerful have zero respect for anyone, besides themselves.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:59 PM
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44. Without legitimacy, government is just rhetoric apologizing for force backed up by violence
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 01:01 PM by leveymg
That seems to define Cameron's regime.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:52 PM
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55. Today's powerful don't have respect for anybody.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:55 AM
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4. Hats off to today's youth then
Fuck the powerful! :headbang:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:56 AM
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5. Service equals Citizenship!
It's Starship Troopers!
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:56 AM
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6. LOL Upstairs Downstairs...
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM by sfpcjock
And 'Camera-On' doesn't have respect for $200 million pounds vs. $41 million for youth clubs, and for taking the U.K. into three quarters of virtual zero growth with even fewer jobs--IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION. I guess "the powerful" are just N-V-T-S, nuts!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM
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8. Why am I not surprised?
Predictable...
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM
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9. Telescreens are going to be made harder to steal.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM
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10. "Today's youth do not have enough respect for the powerful."
I really hope he is right. Respect for the powerful is pathetic.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:57 AM
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11. gasoline on the fire -- wow
I've rarely seen such an inflammatory statement. It's just a red flag, and will recruit many new protestors to the fray.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:31 PM
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39. You've forgotten BP that quickly, have you?
And how Tony Hayward just wanted to get his life back, the poor dear?

Yeah, there's a real "I hope Cameron was looking in the mirror when he said that" quality to his statement, but I have a feeling he and his ruling class comrades see themselves as absolutely blameless in creating this situation.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:59 AM
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13. Adam Sutler is that you?
"I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want everyone to remember *why* they need us!"
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:59 AM
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14. The one thing they have counted on is a docile populace.
That might be changing.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:02 PM
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19. Yep, they don't want the serfs rising. Just looking at their history lets one
know how solutions were imposed eons ago.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:08 PM
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27. These bastards are all sermonizing & getting moral about this.
Until last week they didn't know or care about the vast "lost youth" situation that has been brewing for years, and now it's turning on them.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:12 PM
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30. Exactly, and now they call them thugs. So F'en irritating. n/t
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:00 PM
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15. I listened to him, he's clueless as to the cause, their frustration and tensions, and
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 12:08 PM by RKP5637
his solution is brutality and more authoritarianism. He reinforces what caused it in the first place.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:00 PM
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16. In 1793, the French showed what respect the powerful had earned
. . . and rewarded them accordingly.

Power to the people!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:03 PM
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20. Yep! n/t
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:07 PM
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26. +100000000!!
I wish we could develop the kind of collective courage the french did then
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:01 PM
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17. The root cause of this mindless selfishness is the mindless consumerism society creates and promotes
And Pavlovian psychological stress and physical torture DO NOTHING to solve the problem, they only serve to exacerbate it. Goddamn, am I sick of this backwards shit.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:06 PM
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22. There's a thoughtful response
You must be "condoning". Condoner! tsk tsk
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:07 PM
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59. Ha! I should be ashamed of myself!
The only suitable reprimand I can think of is being first in line for iPad 3. I'm already there!

(my sincere thanks, by the way :toast:)
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:07 PM
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25. Exactly, well said! We see it there, we see it here, nothing to solve the
root causes of the problems, "they only serve to exacerbate it." The same as you, "Goddamn, am I sick of this backward shit."
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:56 PM
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57. Thanks! I appreciate all your responses in this thread.
Especially this insight - "He reinforces what caused this in the first place."
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:02 PM
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18. See, now he's just sounding like a dystopian villain.
A caricature.

Cameron doesn't appear to have much respect for his country's history, it seems.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:07 PM
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24. Funny and sad
And very true.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:20 PM
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34. Yep, here's the latest photo of Davey
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:06 PM
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23. It's always about class
That's a declaration of war.

The rich man in his castle
The poor man at his gate
God made them high and lowly
And ordered their estate

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:09 PM
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28. "...and get off my lawn you damn, dirty hippies!"
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:27 PM
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38. He's keeping all the balls that come into his yard, too!
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:11 PM
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29. This old lady says, Fuck the powerful
mindless selfishness, look in a mirror asshole.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:15 PM
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31. Why am I not surprised?
Guess he doesn't understand that his hideous RW policies have nothing at all to do with this rebellion. Nick Clegg also decried the situation, proving that their "liberal leaders" are just as pussy as ours are.

Student riots last Dec; now this. The Clash predicted it over 30 years ago:

"LONDON'S BURNING!"
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:22 PM
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35. Without fail, egotistical dickheads like Cameron absolve themselves of any and all responsibility.
"Complete lack of responsibility," is right.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:16 PM
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32. Sadly, most of DU probably agrees with him /nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:17 PM
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33. You mean they make bootstraps in the UK also?
Who knew?

Has he been hanging around the U.S. Teabaggers?
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:24 PM
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36. Where does the word "powerful" appear in the speech?
I guess if you had titled your OP "David Cameron: we need to have a clearer code of standards and values" or "David Cameron: we need stronger penalties" it would not have had quite the same impact.

SO you made something up that he didn't actually say and used that as your subject line.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:26 PM
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37. respect is earned. powerful has lost right to respect. i am not one to excuse
the rioters either. but, i think this man is being totally stupid.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:32 PM
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40. Cam's private schooling and university training didn't teach him that
Respect is a reciprocal state of mind? These rioters don't respect those in power because they know they are not respected.

That being said, I hate what the looters and rioters are doing.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:32 PM
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51. +11111 n/t
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:33 PM
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41. It's interesting...
...I read the entire quote in the OP, applying it in my mind not to the rioters but to the banksters who have brought ruin to so many. Every word of it applied.

Oddly enough, no such statement was ever made about the crimes of the banksters by Cameron and others at his level.

Cause and effect, man, cause and effect.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 10:03 PM
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63. I posted my comment upthread before
I had a chance to see yours. Yep, I have a feeling we're right. The "responsiblity" won't apply to capitalist bankers that loot treasuries. OR to their toadies in the government who ALLOW the looting.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:57 PM
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43. Authoritarian bullcrap.
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ikri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:59 PM
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45. He's got some fucking nerve
The Buller, as it is known to members, was founded in the 19th century as a hunting and cricket club, but is now devoted to drink and dining. Membership is by invitation only and normally limited to alumni of leading public schools. New recruits are secretly elected before being informed of their good fortune by having their college bedroom invaded by way of a window and methodically "trashed".

The club's notorious dinners typically involve members booking a private dining room (under an assumed name) and drinking themselves silly before destroying it elaborately. They wear royal blue tailcoats with ivory lapels, and - having made merry - pride themselves in politely paying the restaurant's owners compensation in high-denomination banknotes. One former Bullingdon member, the journalist Harry Mount, has recalled "being rolled down a hill by a Hungarian count". Boris Johnson once admitted to "dark deeds involving plastic cones and letterboxes".

Yet the "high jinks" that took place on the night the photo was taken (at Canterbury Quad, Christchurch) are up there with the best of them. At some point after the dinner, the group walked through Oxford when one (thought to be Fergusson, though exact recollections differ) threw a plant pot through the window of a restaurant.

The burglar alarm was activated and police descended with sniffer dogs. Six of the group were collared and spent the night at Cowley police station before being released without charge.

More



That's them in their youth, Prime Minister David Cameron was a member of that "club" along with London Mayor Boris Johnson. They used to trash restaurants basically because they could and because of the influence of their friends and families they would suffer zero consequences.

Destroy someone's business or property? If you're rich enough then it's just youthful hi-jinx.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:47 PM
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54. Interesting how many of them have gone into Finance
especially given the finance world's culpability in trashing so many nations' economies, followed by the bank bailouts and the the finance industries strong push for austerity for most of us (while they rake in huge profits from that process and the raiding of social programs and privatization of public assets that comes with it).

Here's a labeled pic:




(1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)(formerly a partner and managing director at Goldman Sachs)

(2) David Cameron

(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker

(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith

(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March

(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent

(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell

(8) Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London

9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:01 PM
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46. Respect my authoritah!
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:03 PM
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47. Typical Tory.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 01:05 PM by Dawson Leery
British Conservatives (BNP-Lite) have always looked down upon the working class. Ugly thugs, just like the Republicans.
These young working class people DO NOT HAVE WORK! There are few jobs available for them to make a living. That is what the working class is angry about.
British Conservatives (as well as EVERY symbol that embodies them) are absolutely infuriating.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:04 PM
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48. Spoken like a true asshole.
:puke:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:14 PM
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49. Socrates: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners,
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."


Socrates *Also attributed to several others including Plato*
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:24 PM
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50. This has ever been the attitude of the aristocracy
towards the peasantry. Nothing new under the sun.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:47 PM
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52. I'm surprised he didn't say something like "they don't know their place."
The class system is very rigid in GB. It's almost impossible to rise to be one of the upper "betters".

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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:13 PM
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53. David Cameron, Winner of the Upper Class Twit of the Year contest
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:57 PM
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56. respect is earned & responsibility goes two ways.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:57 PM
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58. Bollocks! The British Govt have failed to address these problems over 30yrs
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 08:58 PM by HipChick
too busy being bought off by Murdoch and keeping the Met Police bribed..

Reap what they may...
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:18 PM
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60. kiss my shiny metal ass Cameron
Up yours and your bitching. You EARN respect -- and you've shown none to British youth.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:54 PM
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61. Speaking of "mindless selfishness" Dave, how's that austerity budget coming along? nt
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