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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:39 PM
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This chaos is the reason corporations are hoarding cash.
They were left out on a limb the last time. They seem to have learned some things from that experience.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:41 PM
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1. Thank Christ someone is here to defend the corporations! (Uh, never mind they create the "chaos")
...what with their election-buying, economy-hacking, et al....
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:43 PM
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4. That was good for a LOL
:rofl:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:38 PM
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24. I agree VIllager, economy-hacking is the word nt
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:41 PM
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2. they were hoarding cash long before this.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:43 PM
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5. To be ready if this sort of thing happened again.
Did you think we had fixed the problems we ran into the first time?
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:52 PM
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13. what is 'this sort of thing"?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:42 PM
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3. unbelievable! corporations' wage slashing and layoffs led to "this chaos"
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 10:43 PM by amborin
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:44 PM
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6. Didn't they used to hide their cash.
offsshore and wait around for a tax holiday to bring it back in.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:45 PM
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7. "left out on a limb"?
Go buy those German stocks you were hyping last week. There's a fire sale today.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:50 PM
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10. Out on a limb in getting access to credit.
That is what happened the last time. If you have cash reserves, you can survive without borrowing.

Geez.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:37 PM
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22. You sound like an infomercial
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:45 PM
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8. You are too precious
$2 trillion banks are avoiding great investments in this country because of Standard & Poor's and the Tea Party. You could write for the Wall Street Journal's editorial board.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:47 PM
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9. Chaos caused the mega wealthy to horde cash...okay
who caused the chaos?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:51 PM
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11. Corporations hoarding cash is the reason for the chaos.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:14 PM
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18. Sad that needed to be said.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:52 PM
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12. Bullshit. They're hoarding cash because there is no point in investing to produce
--goods for people who can't afford to buy them. That's the exact same reason that the winner of a Monopoly game hoards cash. That can only be rectified by taking the cash from the winner and redistributing it.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:56 PM
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14. They haven't seen fucking chaos yet !
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:56 PM
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15. Back To Front As Usual, Ma'am: their Hoarding Cash is the Cause Of the Chaos
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 10:56 PM by The Magistrate
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:11 PM
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17. +1
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:32 PM
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19. When you experience a situation where you realized access to cash was key...
Do you go back to old habits, knowing it could happen again?

Individuals started saving, states were paying down debt. Anyone who could improve their cash position did so. Heck I did so. Didn't you?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:37 PM
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23. These are not individuals
what makes their situation better is demand. The only way to create demand is to hire employees who will start buying crap. PERIOD. This is counter intuitive. It makes things works. It is called the paradox of thrift. I, as an individual, am saving... but I am not helping.

Corporations have sat on that cash IN THE US, fired employees in THE US. and HIRED cheap labor abroad. Now we have a story from the La TImes wehre they are giving up on us and moving abroad, This is not hoarding cash.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-consumers-overseas-20110808,0,6193915,full.story

This is the kind of behavior for which they should be investigated.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:44 PM
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28. Companies don't hire people for the sake of stimulating the economy.
Even governments can't do so now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:53 PM
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30. If you fire employees here
and hire them abroad, I am sorry, but yes they are doing it.

And hoarding cash is what they are doing for POLITICAL reasons, not economic. Proof is in the pudding. They are hiring ABROAD and moving ABROAD.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:29 AM
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34. Governments Certainly Could, Ma'am
They simply do not, because of the influence of right-wingers who want to see workers impoverished, and because they lack the will to deal properly with the criminal frauds of the banking amd business communities.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:39 PM
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25. But individuals don't make up but 2% of ownership.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 11:40 PM by Rex
They feed the economy by living as good consumer ratings. Cash will always be key to the working class. Saving money is not dumb, but hoarding money and hurting the welfare of the nation is legal, yet somewhat immoral and loathsome.

Paid off all my debts and that is golden to be debt free in this fucked up economy...like everyone else did last time. Stop spending.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:57 PM
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32. Cash may also be key to businesses if credit locks up.
Would you rather your employer have hired as many people as possible leaving it in a possibly vulnerable position now? Or would you prefer that your firm be in a financially stable position where you can weather this?

So many companies overextend themselves. It does no favors to workers if their company puts itself in a bad situation.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:09 AM
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38. That is true and it actually happened to a company I worked for
totally sad to watch it fall apart. :(
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:41 PM
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27. The Hoarding, Ma'am, is a Political Action, A 'Capital Strike'
It is a deliberate attempt to reduce economic activity, inflicting hardship on working people and governments, in order to wring certain concessions regarding wages and fiscal policy from, society and government. All economic reasons advanced are mere obfuscation for this fact.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:54 PM
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31. In the US... I just posted the story
on them moving abroad

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-consumers-overseas-20110808,0,6193915,full.story

This is proof in proverbial pudding.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:29 AM
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39. Well said, Sir!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:57 PM
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16. self fulfilling prophecy
nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:34 PM
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20. Bull cookies.
They pass it out to executives with a very free hand.
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Oasis_ Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:47 PM
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29. This is getting off track
Some attempt to pass it off as "greedy corporations hoarding wealth". The notion is completely divorced from reality.

What exists is an appreciable lack of consumer DEMAND. Corporations will spend, upgrade and hire when the demand exists to warrant it.

The credit crunch plus unemployment, along with a huge spike in commodity pricing has a huge negative impact on hiring and investment.

Want to remedy it? An infrastructure improvement program. It's messy, somewhat inefficient but it will free up TONS of capital as well as providing a huge surge in ultra-vital consumer spending--which represents 70% of our GDP.
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sabo_tabby Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:33 AM
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37. Spoken like a true capitalist - nice job!
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:37 AM
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40. You are right..it is not the greedy corporations, it is instead
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 02:39 AM by DebJ
the greedy SOBS that work for the corporations and are taking ever higher salaries, benefits, bonuses and perks, and doing so by suppressing wages of those who actually buy stuff. There is consumer demand, but it is pent up because their is no cash in consumers hands. Good Lord we need so many things in my house right now it is getting scary. The house itself is literally starting to fall apart. You think we are just holding back cash? What cash? Too painful to laugh at that absurdity.


They created this mess, and they did so because ultimately, it will enrich them, as it is doing now.
Everything is going according to plan.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:36 PM
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21. Oh, yeah, CA$H...
Maybe that's why gold & co is skyrocketing...

Ca$h can burn fast in a furnace...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:41 PM
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26. We can print more, no problem the Jenusez told us so.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:28 AM
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33. I agree that the elites are hoarding cash...
...because they know that the bottom will drop out.

They're saving for the rainy day...uh, I mean, monsoon that is coming.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:01 AM
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35. They have told us all along that they are afraid of the uncertain markets. nt
What they should have been afraid of is the rethug obstructionists whom many of them bankroll.
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sabo_tabby Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:31 AM
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36. One word: NATIONALIZE/nt
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