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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:03 AM
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S&P downgrade and mindless knee-jerk reactions
it's interesting to observe that the instant reaction of many here and in the US political class in response to S&P's downgrade of the US sovereign credit rating is to shoot the messenger rather than placing blame where it belongs. Where does it belong? Why, with the Republicans in Congress who turned what would in normal circumstances have been a routine debt-limit raising into an occasion for political brinksmanship that brought the US government perilously close to the position of defaulting on its obligations to creditors. I'm seeing quite a lot of "how DARE they!", which is really just both staggeringly blind and shockingly arrogant.

The reasons behind the downgrade are quite simple; yes, it is a political decision as much as anything, but it's based on a very realistic assessment of the state of American politics at present. Here's a sampling of opinion from more neutral observers, first, Felix Salmon (a US-based British financial journalist with Reuters):

...the US does not deserve a triple-A rating, and the reason has nothing whatsoever to do with its debt ratios. America’s ability to pay is neither here nor there: the problem is its willingness to pay. And there’s a serious constituency of powerful people in Congress who are perfectly willing and even eager to drive the US into default. The Tea Party is fully cognizant that it has been given a bazooka, and it’s just itching to pull the trigger. There’s no good reason to believe that won’t happen at some point.
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And the Economist:

Investors largely tuned out the debt-ceiling debate until its final days out of a belief based on long experience that for all the antics and rhetoric of the Tea Party, the people who actually run Capitol Hill would never compromise the country’s credit worthiness. After all, it was Mr Boehner who reminded his freshmen colleagues that on the debt ceiling they’d have to act like “adults.”

That is not what happened. As the fight dragged on, the leadership moved closer to the Tea Party, not the other way around. And they seem happy with the results. Why else would Mitch McConnell have promised on August 1st to do exactly the same the next time the debt ceiling must be raised?

It is striking that the proponents of this strategy seem so oblivious to its impact. Our economy is lubricated by a sophisticated and stable credit market whose most vital component is also the most ephemeral: trust. As the crisis amply demonstrated, when trust erodes, the system freezes up. America has built a reputation for responsible and credible management of its finances over the centuries, and that reputation has been reduced to a political football, like a federal judgeship. Henceforth a foreign pension fund or central bank that once mindlessly ploughed his spare cash into Treasurys will have to think twice.

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Bottom line: the US may have the ability to pay but its trustworthiness is in question, especially when Congressional Republicans are prepared to default, with all that means, rather than raise taxes (as demonstrated by their insistence on a deficit reduction plan consisting entirely of cuts with no new revenues).
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:08 AM
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1. Americans agree: Republicons have again screw America's economic pooch
Ptoooey.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:38 AM
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2. Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes!
These are my exact thoughts when it comes to the move by S&P. They did the right and responsible thing. Just days ago McConnell was saying that Republican's were going to do it AGAIN! Again! I want a single person to step forward and justify why S&P should not have downgraded our credit. It wasn't based on our ability to NOT pay, it was based upon our WILLINGNESS to pay our debts. If you have someone consistently saying they aren't going to pay you (Republican Teabaggers), does it really matter if they actually have the ability to repay the loan if they refuse to do so? This is the position we are in at the moment. The teabaggers control one third of the government and came perilously close to getting their way, and proclaim that they're going to do this from here on out... what in the hell does anyone expect S&P to do with that information?

"BUT IZ WALLSTREETZ! MELDREAD! DOES JOOZ SEE TEH WALSTREETZ!? DEY GIVES BAD RATINGS IN TEH PAST ON MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES!"

Yes, yes they did. S&P deserves total and complete scorn for their incompetence. Yet, just because they did a shit job in the past does not mean that they should lie about the full faith and credit of the United States today. In other words, this argument amounts to: "YOU BACKED BAD SHIT IN THE PAST! NOW BACK OUR BAD SHIT TOO!"

If I were S&P I would have done the exact same thing; because it's the responsible thing to do when you're a rating agency. This is where we find ourselves as a nation, thanks to Republicans. Any Democrat who wastes their time blaming S&P instead of Republicans is not a serious person. They are only giving Republican's cover for their actions.

My advice: Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the one responsible.
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:28 AM
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3. It's really quite amusing to watch as each side, endeavors to blame the other...
Even so, both sides are right; for both sides consumed the borrowed assets.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:58 AM
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4. I hope they do. I hope you're right, but the WH has already called them "amateurs" instead of
blaming those that got "98% of what they wanted".

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