Does anyone else think we are still going to default?

[maryellen99]

I do because I think the crazies(teabaggers) will not pass because it does not go far enough.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. It is still even odds in my book,

better than even for the reasons you explained

[Poll_Blind]

2. Repukes could "save the day" by accepting our cuts to Social Security with no tax increases

Wouldn't that be a relief?!?

I have no idea at this point. I believe the President will do something at the very last second, if they don't. Say, 14th Amendment or something similar. The Repukes will destroy him with whatever option he chooses, or attempt to. They've painted him into a corner that he's allowed himself and all of us into, by trying to cut clever little deals with Repuke leadership, behind Democratic leadership's back. And it turns out the deals are neither clever, nor little.

Silly shit is backfiring on him something fierce. He did not have to wind up in this position. AT ALL. He started down the path when last December he didn't make debt limit part of the negotiations part of the deal with Repukes.

PB

[nevergiveup]

3. 95% we will not default

There will be a deal. We won't like it but it will happen.

[sammytko]

20. Agree

They will do something and we will not like it, but get used to it.

[caty]

4. Who are the presidential advisers to

Obama. Are they Republicans or teabaggers?

[napi21]

5. To me it's looking mor likely. I think there will be no deal until

the Pubs see what happens t the arkets on Aug.2nd & 3rd, and it scares them enough to give in. MAYBE by then it will be too late!

[Divine Discontent]

6. 2.8 trillion deal being said to be in the works to be voted upon soon it looks

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/30/debt.talks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Washington (CNN) -- The framework of a tentative deal to raise the nation's debt ceiling calls for up to $2.8 trillion in total deficit reduction over the next decade, two sources familiar with the negotiations told CNN late Saturday night.

The agreement, still being negotiated by the White House and bipartisan congressional leaders, would allow the debt ceiling to be raised by enough to last at least through the end of 2012.

The debt limit would be increased in two stages, both of which would occur automatically -- a key Democratic demand that would prevent a repeat of the current crisis before the next election.

The agreement includes upfront spending cuts in the range of roughly $1 trillion, the sources said. A special congressional committee would recommend additional spending reductions of up to $1.8 trillion no later than Thanksgiving. If Congress failed to approve the recommended cuts by late December, automatic, across-the-board cuts -- including both defense and Medicare -- would take effect.

[Chan790]

7. I think their caucus just showed them the door.

There are not enough of them to hamstring a bipartisan-supported deal in the House and I suspect that Boehner has been looking for a way to curb their influence as a way to block-out Cantor from making a play for his job. Turtle runs a tighter ship in the Senate and doesn't have to worry about a Tea Revolt...he'd crush them out easily. He doesn't need their support to do anything.

[Capitalocracy]

8. I wonder what kind of radical changes they can push through if we default

Maybe that's the big shock they're looking for now. What would they be able to get away with after that?

[AndyTiedye]

9. Default Would Shut Down Pretty Much Everything but Military and Cops

The teabaggers don't want or need a deal at all. Default gives them what they want.

[maryellen99]

10. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens

Even though I'm very concerned about what's going to happen.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. No.

I don't.

Even those idiots in DC don't want to commit political suicide.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. It's a huge game of chicken

and the "game" is being played against Berzerkers. I'm giving it a 50/50.

[mmonk]

13. No, The right will win another round as they always do

and the middle class and poor will take another hit in "saving the country from default". Both imaginary sides can claim victory.

[AlinPA]

14. The bills that Boehner was forced to put up for vote showed that the teabaggers are in charge in the

House. They want a default and will get it. While the majority of republicans have not joined the teabagger caucus there are many more of them.

[pampango]

19. Agreed. The teabagger desire for default coupled with their hatred of anything Obama touches

will lead to a default.

The only possibility of avoiding it would be if something emerged from the Obama-Reid-Boehner talks that Democrats in the House and a few "moderate republicans' (relying on that mythical beast shows what a long shot this is) could pass in the House, totally bypassing the teabaggers.

[AlinPA]

21. There are only a handful of "moderate" republicans, not enough to pass a bill with a debt ceiling

increase, even given the 193 Democrats in the House.

[A wise Man]

15. This whole default mess is a sham

From Reagan to baby Bush there was no uprising on the debt ceiling. Most of us don't remember any uproar on the debt since Reagan. Today its very obvious the reason why the rethugs want so much attention on debt ceiling...."THIS PRESIDENT IS BLACK AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT OR HIM". Eight long years we had to endure hell from baby bush and the mad rethugs. Now we are in the grasp of the most racist insane and vicious party in the history of this nation. They hate soooo much of President Obama that they are willing to let this country sink into quicksand only to feed the hate within themselves. After this mess is over, any human that votes these mad dogs in office again is as racist and insane as the ones that vote republican period.

[GoCubsGo]

17. It's not just racism.

They're pissed because one of their own is not President. They'd pull this shit if Obama was white, too. See: Bill Clinton. It's just that they've grown even more insane since then, which is why the few sane people they had left, like Jim Jeffords and Linc Chaffee left the party. Ultimtately, he fact that they are not in charge drove them crazy, but yeah, the fact that they lost power to a black guy is probably what tipped them over the edge.

[A wise Man]

18. I agree

I still think Obama gives in much tooo much to the rethugs...but this is the most craziest razor slapping bunch of assholes i've ever seen in my life. The teabaggers (why call them teaggers they are still rethugs) wouldn't vote on the first bill only the second when bonehead added cuts to medicare and SS. All of them work for the government so they don't get SS and their medicare is paid for.

[GoCubsGo]

16. I have no fucking idea.

Will the GOP crazies capitulate to the minority GOP ultra-crazies? Who the hell knows?