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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:54 PM
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tell me, how is it that defense spending still remains virtually untouchable...?
............The alleged need to slash the financial security of American citizens -- and the notion that America faces a severe debt crisis -- would be more persuasive if the country didn't continue its posture of Endless War and feeding the insatiable, bloated National Security State (to say nothing of the equally insatible and wasteful Drug War and its evil spawn, the increasingly privatized American Prison State, which the Obama administration is expanding as aggressively as the War on Terror).
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/07/12/china/index.html



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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:58 PM
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1. oh, the "two" parties are quite agreed on this point, and who their true masters are
n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:58 PM
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2. and why a Dem president threatens SS checks
fucking SICK
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:01 PM
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4. Needlessly threatens SS checks.
:grr:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:14 PM
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7. What President threatened SS checks? Obama certainly did NOT threaten SS checks-
he merely pointed out that if the Republicans don't raise the debt ceiling by a certain date, their inaction might endanger SS checks going out.

How could you not know that?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:10 PM
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14. EDUCATE YOURSELF
that is BULLSHIT
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:48 PM
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30. WORD.
He put SS on the table and the GOP blinked. Many people here just don't realize what a gambler Obama is! The GOP blinked! Thank goodness!
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:15 PM
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8. It was stupid posturing
He can't cut off SS payments.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:17 PM
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10. It isn't posturing. It's a potential reality if Republicans don't raise the debt ceiling in time.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:20 PM
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11. Nope. That's not how it works.
BY LAW, SS is seperate from the general budget. Whatever happens to the debt limit, SS checks will go out as scheduled.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:09 PM
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13. CORRECT
Obama's bullshitting on SS is fucking DISGUSTING
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:21 PM
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16. The problem isn't the money. The problem would be the people sending out checks not being at work
Those who receive their checks by electronic deposit most likely won't be affected at all.

"A 1981 attorney general's opinion protects the right of at least some Social Security workers to carry out necessary functions -- and that’s essentially what happened during the 1995 shutdowns.

According to Social Security's official history on its website, 4,780 employees remained at work at the start of the four-day shutdown, while the other 61,415 were furloughed. But this cut "significantly impacted the Agency’s service to the public," the account said, and on the second day, additional employees were recalled to work."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-if-theres-government-shutdown-so/
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:00 PM
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3. "It's all who you know."
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:11 PM
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5. that was a major slap in the face-publicly, by CHINA
.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:12 PM
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6. We loves the fucking war, that's why.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:16 PM
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9. The shame of a nation...
Our sense of patriotism is so tied up in our war-making that our cynical politicians dare not run counter to the status quo on defense. It's sickening.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:37 PM
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12. Because Ike was right about military spending
The Military Industrial Complex locked itself into our government and it's workings like a malignant tumor decades ago. I expect that it will be the ruin of this country. Probably not too long from now.


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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:06 AM
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18. Define "ruin"
because by some definitions, one might say we're already there
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:18 PM
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15. Totally obscene, isn't it?
eom
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:53 AM
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17. The military-industrial complex is the 4th and most powerful branch of the government.
We're talking trillions of dollars here and it is connected at ALL levels of the government.

I wouldn't be surprised if threats to politicians are made on regular occasions to ensure their complacency and the guarantee that the annual payout continues to increase at a exponential rate.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:43 AM
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19. Made me sick at the press conference
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:41 AM
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20. I can't read % of Military (bad artwork)
Does it say 98%? Thanks in advance
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:55 AM
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21. War is Peace.




WRL PIE FEDERAL CHART FLYERS - Where Your Income Tax Money Really Goes

http://www.warresisters.org/federalpiechart
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 08:49 PM
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22. A national security state at perpetual war and exerting global hegemony just takes boo-coo
bundles of money each day to operate. :patriot:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:51 PM
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23. ^
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:26 PM
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24. about 2/3 of military spending is wasteful, that's like 400 billion dollars a year. And that folks,
is how this debt crisis should really be solved.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:28 PM
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25. Yep. Follow the money. Goes to motive.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:29 PM
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26. The rich control America.
That is how. They are slaves to the MIC - notice how the Beast is appropriately red in that pie chart and like an evil pacman is about to GOBBLE up all the remaining table scraps!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:31 PM
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28. The question has to be avoided at all costs right now
in the media because all our military adventures are unpopular.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:46 PM
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29. Yes and just like the social engineers the M$M now has become
we see the devastating effect of denying Americans open transparency, fairness and accuracy in reporting and the 'attached at the hip' situation between Wall Street, the MIC and the M$M. We have alternatives in media now, but the M$M still controls the national message. We need to find a way to change that and The Rupert scandal might be our opening!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:56 PM
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31. I'd be more excited if I thought "our" DoJ would do more than wave
in their general direction as they did with the CIA torture program.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:01 PM
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32. We might be looking at a lost cause with the DoJ. And where is the
NSA/CIA/FBI in on this huge, global wiretapping story? One does wonder...did they participate or will they investigate and procecute? I believe we might just be getting a peek behind the curtain now.

Will this all be covered up and whitewashed or will justice prevail?

I can promise you this, nothing will surpise me either way...justice has been a longtime coming for The Rupert imo.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:30 PM
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27. Because we we are waiting for the generals to tell us when to leave?
Ever heard of a war a general didn't like?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:31 PM
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33. Because Republicans like it
They control the House.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:36 PM
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35. And Obama is CinC,
Gee, as such he could be bring all those troops home now. Instead, well, he's withdrawing his "surge" forces by 2014, who knows when the rest are coming home, not to mention those "little wars" he keeps getting us involved in.

Poor powerless Obama, can't do anything despite being CinC:eyes:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:02 PM
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36. Do you want any President to have that kind of power?
It's all or none?

The Republicans control the House. The deal is over the debt ceiling.

Too bad there's a congress and it has power. If only the Presidency could have it all.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:07 PM
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37. The president does have the power to bring the troops home, always has had it.
But instead he has chosen, using his power as CinC(and then some) to get us militarily involved elsewhere, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, etc.

Gee, you don't think that we would save money if we ended these illegal, immoral wars?
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:36 PM
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34. because the garbage-barge escapees that are in power are in on war profiteering?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:07 PM
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38. K&R n.t
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