43 weapons recovered in Phoenix by DEA linked to ATF scandal

[madville]

The DEA busted some meth guys and found 43 weapons that the ATF allowed to be illegally sold and put on the streets. The guns ATF allowed to be distributed have already killed a US Border Patrol agent and who knows how many Mexican civilians. I bet some people are puckered for sure about which heads will roll at ATF and DOJ for this mess.

http://www.abc15.com//dpp/news/local_news/investigations/43-weapons-in-phoenix-traffic-stop-linked-to-atf-strategy

[Ragnarok]

1. This stuff will be going on for years...

sad to say, but we will just have to get use to it. Good show team! Maybe we can get Ollie North to take the fall?

[WhiteTara]

2. What are you saying? n/t

[Ragnarok]

5. I'm saying that

...guns from this horribly executed operation will likely be showing up at crime scenes and other places for years. Get use to it. The djinni is out of the bottle so take what lessons are to be learned and move on. It can't be undone, the lock is broken, and whomever holds the key isn't going to tell anyone anything that will stink up the water for the rest of the team under oath anyhow. So... get use to hearing about F&F Guns popping up every so often and politicians from both sides carping about it when it suits their needs.

[underpants]

4. It started in 2006

a fact that is conveniently not mentioned by Fox/MSM

[aikoaiko]

8. The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)

More seriously, do you have a cite for Operation Gunwalker or Gunrunner starting in 2006? I can't find it.

[underpants]

11. Wikipedia

HistoryATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

OperationsBy early 2009, Project Gunrunner had resulted in approximately 650 cases by ATF, in which more than 1,400 defendants were referred for prosecution in federal and state courts and more than 12,000 firearms were involved.<10>

According to the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), during FY 2007 and 2008, ATF conducted twelve eTrace training sessions for Mexican police (over 961 Mexican police officers) in several Mexican cities, including the same cities where corrupt police were disarmed and arrested: Mexico City, Tijuana, Nuevo Laredo, and Matamoros.<11> Despite the GAO report, ATF now claims (October 2010) only about 20 people have been trained to use eTrace in Mexico.<12> This discrepancy has not been explained

[aikoaiko]

12. Correct the larger Project Gunrunner started in 2006, but ATF allowing guns to cross over in 2009

From the same wiki article:
"However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy"

Reference: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-running-timeline-how-doj-s-operation

This is scandal that needs to be addressed -- what some people call the "gun walking" initiative. In essence, the ATF instructed gun dealers to allow prohibited people to purchase firearms, leave the store with no way of tracing the firearms, allow them to be brought into Mexico, be used in crimes, and find them at crime scenes and then say that the current laws are inadequate.

Nobody opposes catches criminals or tracing crime guns to prosecute criminals (although the inaccurate reporting of statistics is also scandalous) which is the main point of Project Gunrunner.

[drpepper67]

3. Why did the ATF do that? n/t

[madville]

6. Escalating crime to justify their existence and political motive to get more laws passed?

A field agent actually blew the whistle on this and was recently fired for it. An agency whose main mission is to prevent illegal firearms sales that is encouraging thousands of illegal firearms sales really needs to reevaluate what they are doing.

[drpepper67]

7. So, they did it

To increase "assault" weapons in the news to be able to say "look at all these evil rifles, we need another weapons ban!"

Great.

If things aren't going the way you like, create the very thing you think is happening, but isn't really.

[Long Shadow]

9. Anti-gun politicians are forced create gun "crises;" the do not occur naturally.

[madville]

10. I doubt we will hear the President talking about US guns going to Mexico for awhile

Turns out the ATF was arranging for a large amount of them to wind up there, would look pretty stupid now to be calling for more laws to combat a government operation.

[Paladin]

13. At Its Most Effective, The ATF Has Been A Gun Militancy Target For Decades.

It's no surprise to see our resident gun rights types so overjoyed about the current circumstances.....

[Upton]

14. Yeah, believing in the entire Bill of Rights..

as opposed to some al a carte version favored by gun control advocates is "gun militancy"..I've got it.

Btw, looks like Holder may have lied before Congress..

http://salem-news.com/articles/july092011/holder-atf-death-tk.php