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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:14 AM
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26 PERCENT OF AMERICANS DON’T KNOW U.S. DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM GREAT BRITAIN
26 PERCENT OF AMERICANS DON’T KNOW U.S. DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM GREAT BRITAIN | According to a new poll by Marist, more than a quarter of Americans couldn’t correctly identify the country from which the United States declared its independence. While 74 percent correctly named Great Britain, 20 percent said they weren’t sure and six percent named other countries. In the South, 32 percent of respondents either responded incorrectly or weren’t sure. The poll comes on the heels of test scores that showed few American students gaining proficiency in U.S. history, a problem presidential candidate Rick Santorum blamed on the “conscious effort” by “the left” to keep Americans uninformed. (HT: The Hotline’s Steve Shepard)

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/US100617/July%204th_summer%20vacation/Country_From_Which_US_Declared_Independence.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/01/259417/americans-dont-know-independence-from-great-britain/
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:17 AM
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1. 26% of Americans are really fucking stupid.
Odd coincidence? I think not.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:21 AM
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6. Ignorant, not necessarily stupid.
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TexDevilDog Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:08 AM
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28. Some ignorant people don't know difference.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:44 AM
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40. Stupid, because they
don't understand that knowledge is power and tend to be rather willful about disenfranchising themselves. Stupid works for me.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:50 AM
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41. .Actually it is perferable to be stupid then to be willfully ignorant. n/t
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:14 AM
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30. That 26% about matches the die-hard Republican base.
That's about where Dubya's approval rating bottomed out. It's about where all things favoring the Republican side of issues hovers around.

Coincidence? I doubt it.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:18 AM
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2. In the South, 32 percent of respondents either responded incorrectly or weren’t sure
What area had the best scores? Was it in the article?



Sounds like the nation is getting its history from

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Bachman.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:30 AM
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12. And so many Americans can't be bothered to read past the jump.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:40 AM
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19. I was busy with something else here's the region, gender , age ,
the northeast did the best.



://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/US100617/July%204th_summer%20vacation/Country_From_Which_US_Declared_Independence.htm
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:19 AM
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3. oh my.........then Monday is meaningless....
:argh: :banghead: 235 yrs shot to hell.

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:22 AM
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9. 235 YEARS!! Our country is so new, and people don't know our history! What if they lived in Greece?
So embarrassing.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:44 AM
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23. +1000!
crikey! :P
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Theo Haffey Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:19 AM
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4. 26% of "U.S.A. Residents," not necessarily all American
Thinkprogress made a mistake.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:23 AM
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10. If you're suggesting that undocumented immigrants skewed the result, I doubt it.
Not very likely that many undocumented immigrants were asked to take the survey. AND, usually immigrants know quite a bit more about American history than those born here. Immigrants are motivated.
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Theo Haffey Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:24 AM
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11. I am suggesting that accurate news titles are important
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 10:24 AM by Theo Haffey
That's all. And not all immigrants are undocumented by the way.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:44 AM
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39. Undocumented immigrants don't have phones? Most working around here do. And why you think they know
more about American history than those born here is bizarre.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:10 PM
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53. Because we do, epecially if we bother to go through
that citizenship exam that I am willing to bet MANY American Born cannot complete to the satisfaction of ICE.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:20 AM
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5. Texas School Book assclowns write out T. Jefferson and MLK...
...blame the Liberals.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:22 AM
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8. norma and mel, your gift keeps giving.
why is the left always right? we knew back then where this shit was headed. i think they said we were quaint.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:22 AM
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7. what does that say about our education system for the past 40 years?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:59 AM
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26. Actually, not bad for 40 years, the results show 1/3 of the 18-29 age range surveyed
did not know. Which confirms what we all know as a dumbing down of our educational system.

Overall, the defining factors were age, income, geography and race ( race being defined as white and non-white)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:30 AM
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13. Palin and Bachmann are among those
Bachmann doesn't even know who the founding fathers are.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:35 AM
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16. "Michele Bachmann's Story of America"
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:14 PM
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56. Thanks for sharing
All the things they did not teach me in college... oh MY
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 05:51 PM
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64. that was great. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:11 PM
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55. Oh com'on John Quincy was crossing British lines
he was a precocious child solider

:sarcasm: for those who need it.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:32 AM
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14. We declared independence from Great Britian?
I'm not seeing the news covering it at all. When did they do this????
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:35 AM
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15. my 13 yr old son wouldnt answer. i asked, and he says,... you dont know????
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 10:35 AM by seabeyond
you dont know????

he was worried. lol. thought his mom was in bad shape.

he told me then i had him read your title. relief...lol

told him, just wanted to make sure he was not amongst the 26%
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:36 AM
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18. there are dummies, everywhere. not only U.S. nt
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:33 PM
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46. Of course there are, But not like here. Compared to Europe, we ARE stupid.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:50 PM
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47. disagree. watched the same thing with people in england, elsewhere. just as man, just as dumb, nt
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 01:17 PM by seabeyond
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:59 PM
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49. I disagree with you. see this post:
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 01:24 PM by demosincebirth
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:51 AM
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24. beautimous!
:rofl:

It's funny when our kids think we are losing it, isn't it?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:59 AM
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25. it really was funny. these kids know so much. they are sponges with info, facts, statistics
i often ask them questions cause i have forgotten so much. i realized he thought i was asking cause i didnt know, not to test them. i do that often, too.

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cantbeserious Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:35 AM
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17. What's A Great Britain?
eom
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:42 AM
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20. A place right above A Good Britian.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:43 AM
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21. My 3rd & 4th grader..
are smarter than 1/4th of the country! yeah! :woohoo:

crazy, ain't it?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 10:44 AM
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22. It's fixin' to be a whole lot more than that
with all the education cuts.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:02 AM
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27. In practical terms, it really doesn't matter.
whether or not we declared independence at all, or from which "nation". It doesn't even matter if some people aren't aware of the "proper" answer.

Drawing lines in the sand, making declarations and writing pithy edicts doesn't alter the status quo for the people of extreme wealth and power who really run the show. Never did. The bankers/investors who have funded revolutions/wars for a thousand years and more have no loyalty to the nations, countries or people who fought them and drew new lines. But it is in their best interest to keep the populace dumbed down about who did what to whom, how they did it and when, so they continually rewrite history and even teach the edited story very poorly.

We may giggle behind our hands at things other people don't know, but do we ever ask ourselves if much of what we think we know is a lie?

"If Congress has a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” Andrew Jackson

http://jimbernard.org/gpage16.html
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:09 AM
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29. I'm glad somebody said it
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 11:10 AM by alcibiades_mystery
Among all the condemnation, there should be at least the minor point that the historical fact in this case doesn't matter fuck all to the lives of most people, and that people will tend to focus their mental energy and memory on Shit that Matters to Their Lives. Oh, yes, that's all terribly ignorant and we can compile the nice list of those to be condemned - from the education system to whatever politicians we happen to be bagging on today to the video game industry or the Real Housewives franchise. Tsk tsk tsk. Doesn't change the fact that whether Jane Schmoe manages to find a much desired minimum wage job this week doesn't seem to be affected in the least by whether she can recite little facts about her nation's official history, and so she thinks she has better shit to pay attention to than that.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:19 AM
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32. The problem is that if Jane Schmoe doesn't know this bit of history
the odds are high that her verbal and math skills are also low. That means she's likely going to have trouble getting beyond that minimum-wage job to a living wage, with long-term negative results for herself and her family.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:22 AM
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34. I don't think that follows
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 11:23 AM by alcibiades_mystery
Maybe Jane cares about math, and doesn't care about history, and maybe that's because she's never encountered a good argument about why what happened 235 years ago matters to her daily struggles, whereas she understands how math does. This isn't that hard. In any case, you make an extrinsic argument for why it should matter to her - it seems to affect or at least correlate with other issues. But you still haven't made an intrinsic argument about why she should know it. There are certainly such arguments to be made, but it's interesting that your initial impulse was to find the practical upshot elsewhere, rather than in the knowledge we're all condemning Jane for not having itself!
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 05:43 PM
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79. Mary Jane would get so such slack if she liked history and wasn't into mat so much
and couldn't be called on to say multiply single numbers to any degree whatsoever.

You are talking very, very basic information that is repeated throughout the person's life to the point of being in commercials.

Multiplication may be terribly unfair a comparison. The information almost seems like counting into double digits.

Worse, like nine percent of freaking college graduates didn't get it.

No way you should be released from middle school at fucking worse with this basic level of information.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:32 AM
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36. I wonder how many
Jane Schmoes simply zoned out in school because they were bored to tears. They could be brilliant beyond their educators and no one would ever know simply because their ability to regurgitate the garbage they were fed was lacking.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:25 AM
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35. I do think
hearing some of the real facts about our nation's history might interest even Jane Schmoe. There's nothing like shining a little light on the true causes of how we all got into this pickle to put a different perspective on a person's personal day to day problems.

Unlearning the lies is the hard part.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:40 AM
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37. I agree completely
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 11:42 AM by alcibiades_mystery
But it requires that history be taught as a history of the present, rather than a collection of facts that the "cultured" know and the "ignorant" forget. Unfortunately, polls such as the one listed in the OP serve only that second way of understanding history, and therefore serve the purpose primarily of allowing the "cultured" bask in their own superiority relative to the "ignorant," with little understanding that ignorance can itself be a deeply political act. It could be that the 26% don't know, but there's also a sense in which they (quite rightly) don't give a good goddamn, for reasons that are completely justified.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:02 PM
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42. Yep,
the attitude of superiority is where the whole thing goes off the tracks.

And you're exactly right, willful ignorance can be a deeply political act. maybe even an act of self preservation. If you think about it, what could they do about it if they DID know the correct answers and gave a damm? Slogging through the muck often seems to be the only option. so why worry about it. Its a lifestyle.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:19 PM
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58. So declaring independence from Great Britain is a lie?
and the year is a lie too?

Gotcha.

There are many facts that are NOT taught until you hit college... but this is a BASIC factoid of US History... like 2+2=4 kind of a thing.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:58 PM
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60. If you declared independence from the
US but continued using the money backed by the full faith and credit of the US, how would you have declared any functional independence. Functional is the operative word. Great Britain and the City of London are two different entities and always have been. Guess which one has all the power. Who sets the London Gold Fix still today?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:17 PM
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57. Actually it does
we do not live OUTSIDE history.

Thinking that it does not matter, well read what Santayana wrote.

Those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it...

And Americans believe they live outside of history... well guess what? The battles of labor that were fought in the 1890s, are about to be refought... why? Well we don't know history and are PROUD of it.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:47 PM
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59. I agree with you that we don't live outside history,
what we're living in is made-up history. Learning and teaching comfortable lies isn't exactly smart and that's the reason we're doomed to repeat the real deal all over again. Only this time the labor battles of the 1890s will seem like a walk in the park by comparison, that's how much ground we've lost in the meantime by letting the oligarch's minions write our revised and heavily redacted history text books.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:34 PM
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68. 1776 us a comfortable lie?
You do know that this did not come athena formed from zeus's head right?

And no, actually we are far better than 1884, when the Haymarket affair happened. Unions are STILL legal in the US.

As to how history is taught in history books, I am sure if I presented you a standard college graduate level readying list, you'd think it is propaganda too... never mind it goes into a lot of the things we do not go into in Grammar school.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:51 AM
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70. Where did you get the idea that I suggested
the date is wrong? Are you suggesting that's the only part they got right? At least its your only example of non-propaganda. And you jumped straight from grammar school to college? What, no middle school or high school? I'm impressed.

"A standard college graduate level readying (sic) list"? Begging your pardon, I never expected to find so many elitist snobs in the Democratic party, I thought we were supposed to be all about equal opportunity and everyone has value and other simple minded crap like that ... speaking of propaganda. So what about people who stop short of college - they have no right to know the "complete" history of their nation's creation? Of course then they won't know what all the mighty degree holders think they should know, which provides yet another opportunity to demonstrate superiority over the unwashed illiterate masses - wait, let's use Alexander Hamilton's favorite term, "the rabble". But when I ponder a perfect world peopled by none other than mathematical geniuses and scholars laboring over abstract formulas and spouting classical literature by rote, I have to wonder who will be left to pick up their trash and perform other "menial tasks" for them.

Getting back to the 1776 question, I think if I presented you with the many old, obsolete, out-of-print biographies about our "foundering fathers" and other historical books I discovered as a youngster in my parent's attic, they'd be deemed propaganda AND hate speech by today's standards. Of course I also attended history classes in school and heard the whitewashed version of our story. so you could say I learned fairly early to question authority and challenge people's perceptions. Got me into heaps of trouble, too. Still does.

So its probably a radical thought even for a liberal, but I'd have to call those unwashed, uneducated, unshod, unsung and unlamented farm boys who answered the call to go out and fight the British for liberty, our real founding fathers. The leaders who get all the credit were, in large part, wealthy landowners and powdered wig elites who pontificated from behind safe walls and collaborated in treaty talks with London's banking elite while the blood of the "lessors" was being shed here at home. And then, when the fighting was over, the leaders couldn't even come up with the money promised to the fighters for their service. I guess its true, the more things change the more they stay the same.

Finally, please consider this: if the Constitution had included strong language protecting workers from the greed of corporations in the first place, Haymarket and so many other evils perpetrated against those who always do the heavy lifting would never have happened. Or did you think that was merely an oversight?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 01:33 PM
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71. Alas Washington Irving is read in COLLEGE
as an example of BAD history... but good NATIONAL building early in the nation's hstory... (Yes he was the one who coined that famous saying, Washington can't tell a lie). there is a reason he came up with that one. Just as there is a good reason why the equivalent tropes were written around the world during the Romantic period.

And I went from grammar school to graduate college since it is those folks who ATTENDED PhD programs who WRITE those books for grammar school and HS. So if they are writing propaganda, they are obviously readying it too. Just going by the logic here.

As to those who never went beyond college, Hubby is going back to college these days after 20 years in the Navy. What do you think he did while in the service? Like many others in the service, to the shock and surprise of some of their officers... they READ.. and READ extensively on all kinds of subjects, INCLUDING US History.

I hold a Masters (in Mexican History mind you) so before fully grasping the job of writing a US History of Labor I am slugging through the regular readying list of a Graduate in a US History program... it is not an elite thing to do... it just is. And I know that the FUNCTION of history in grammar school, and HS... Yes I have read, more than once, the statements of the American Historical Association, the same association that has been fighting the revisionist history of places like oh Texas. But hey, whatever.

I am now going to get my latte and drink it with an upper stiff lip, while driving around in my limo and yes, readying that elite history.. (which for the record it exist and it is written and it is always a matter of discussion in places like oh the AHA. I am sure though that you do not realize this. There is MORE than just one history being written or taught)

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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:11 PM
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72. About the only thing I got out of that
response was that reading extensively and knowing a great deal about a given subject is worthless until you've got the framed diplomas hung neatly on the wall to prove you know it.

In no way did I imply attending college and earning a degree is elitist, but that does not rule out the fact that many who do, are. And it certainly isn't about limos, its about attitude.

And you didn't answer my very simple question: was it merely an oversight?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:43 PM
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73. I did, and whatever, have a good life
welcome to my iggy list... oh and it is not about diplomas. IT is about GENERAL KNOWLEDGE... have a good life. Bye bye, oh and happy propaganda fourth of July, remember, Washington could NOT tell a lie and he did chop that cherry tree.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:44 PM
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74. Well shoot,
thanks for sharing your general knowledge.

I guess I'll just have to suck it up and go find iggy to see if he wants to grab a beer and a hot dog to celebrate the big day tomorrow, that's what its all about, you know.

After all, who wants to celebrate all the missed opportunities to make the sentiments expressed in the Declaration of Independence reality. Its no wonder so many people just spend the day getting drunk.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:18 AM
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31. "The “conscious effort” by “the left” to keep Americans uninformed"?
How is it that the left is keeping "Americans" uninformed ,when the teabaggers continue making protest signs, insisting that they need to take it back?

:shrug:
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peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:22 AM
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33. cramming for poorly conceived and implemented standardized tests, cutting the education budget...
corporate dominated media is to blame.

you get what you pay for.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 11:42 AM
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38. Why is this surprising? At least that many people don't know that
eating is why we poop. Overestimating the ignorance of the general public about history is impossible.

If you want a really high number, ask who the King of England was in 1776. The percentage who don't know will top 80%, I'm pretty sure.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:07 PM
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43. !
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:09 PM
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44. "Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things:
"Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love." - Butch Hancock
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:52 PM
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48. you keep saying that. living two hours away in amarillo, i have yet to meet one person
that thought sex "the most awful, filthy thing on earth ". seeing how per capita this is highest teen preg in u.s., i would suggest their actions contradict you as well.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 01:54 PM
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51. Take it up with Butch.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:05 PM
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52. ahhhh. edited
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 02:05 PM by seabeyond
i probably did not say anything the first two or three times reading this, cause i took note of butch. forgot this time
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 12:11 PM
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45. Ask any Social Studies teacher: "Facts" are no longer given priority; "concepts" are.
"Revolution" is a "concept"; "1776" and "Britain" are "facts."
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 01:03 PM
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50. Jeez, people, that's why Paul Revere had to go fire warning shots at the British.
Come on.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 05:47 PM
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62. don't forget the bell ringing. nt
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 02:11 PM
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54. That explains the never ending royal wedding garbage.
I hope. The alternative is worse.



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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:10 PM
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61. Yeah, but it's not important as long as they can look it up.
:sarcasm:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 05:49 PM
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63. Over 50% of those who know nothing are watchers of Fox News...
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 06:16 PM
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65. Yep, it's official.....
If things keep going the way they have been these past 30 years or so we will eventually end up at the point where we will be as ignorant as most of our ancestors were in the middle of the century before the last{that is, circa 1860}.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:56 PM
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76. Maybe they could be called ignorant,
but they knew how to do things, make things, provide for their families with whatever resources were available or go to wherever the resources could be found. These qualities have been bred right out of us, and even if that wasn't true, most of those activities have become illegal for an individual to do.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:27 PM
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82. That is true to an extent........
Truth is, though, we do both see the obvious regression of the educational system, am I right? :-(
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:33 PM
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83. That's an understatement!
I don't blame individual teachers for it, though, its systemic.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 07:27 PM
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66. . nt
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 09:27 PM
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67. And 75% of them are DU members.
LoL
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 01:04 AM
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69. Independence from England....ROFLAMO
:rofl: The bankers own England and the US too.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:47 PM
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75. Exactly.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:59 PM
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77. I wish the US hadn't. We'd have a national health plan. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 05:12 PM
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78. There are many what if moments where we could have gotten one
I mean a lot of the Constitutions in Europe and Japan have a right to health care in the document. If FDR had not died, due to the Economic Bill of Rights, I suspect the chances of us having one would be that much better.

That said, fast forward to the present... the attack on the safety net all around the world is not a coincidence... read Ill fare the land... by Judt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 05:55 PM
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80. ...and about that same % can't find the USA on a world map.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 06:24 PM
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81. Isn't that the same percentage that thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old?
Hmmm. Odd coincidence, that.
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