Usually when we have a Democrat in the White House we

[INdemo]

would normally ignore any talk by Republicans to cut the SS or Medicare because we know with somewhat certainty that we are safe because there is no way a Democrtic President would sign this kind of legislation into law..With Obama I am not so sure..Never mind the great speeches and promises like he has made and broken so many times..never mind the fact that he did push to extend the Bush tax cuts and actually spent taxpayer money to do it by barnstorming across the country to convince Americans this was a good thing..
With a different Republican coming up with ideas every day how to "screw the wroking class" daily I am just not sure we have anyone in Washington on our side.Some Democrats have joind the corporate Republicans in these SS and Medicare cuts so who do we have in Washington to fight for us?

[jaxx]

1. Unrec.

This is surmising.

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[boston bean]

13. Unrec this reply

It is not suprising.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Surmising? It looked to me like the OP was "surmising"

that a segment of the population was worried about the social safety net, even with a Democratic president. I think that surmise is TRUE. There ARE definitely people who are worried about SS and Medicare even with a Dem president.

Don't you think that some are worried about it?

[jaxx]

15. I think some are using it as an excuse to promote non-Democratic

things. I also see no facts, only surmising. It's the OP's opinion. I disagree with it.

[socialist_n_TN]

16. No. The OP said that people are worried

that even with a Dem president, we'll have the social safety net cut. And that is not a surmise, that is a true statement. People ARE worried about it. You might not be, but a LOT of people ARE.

It took a Republican to go to China. It took a Dem to "reform" welfare. Will it take a Dem to "reform" the social safety net? We'll see.

IF I said, judging by his record Obama is going to cave on social security and Medicare, THAT would be surmising. To say that people are WORRIED about that happening is NOT surmising. That's a fact.

[jaxx]

18. The word worried wasn't used.

[socialist_n_TN]

20. OK. Maybe the OP just SOUNDED worried

He/she still didn't "surmise" that Obama would, merely wondered if this would be the next step.

[eridani]

22. Some us might think that we are promoting the notion--

--that Democrats are supposed to act like Democrats.

[AlabamaLibrul]

24. It is the party, madam, that you need to worry about promoting non-Democratic things n/t

[Donnachaidh]

3. This is a question real people are asking now -- rec.

Seems some here like wearing blinkers and ear plugs. :kick:

[kentuck]

11. "I'm not listening!... I can't hear you..."

"I have my eyes closed...I have my hands over my ears... I can't hear you!..."

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[Hotler]

5. k&r eom.

[sufrommich]

6. I give it a - 10 for originality. nt

[nc4bo]

7. Sad but true, at least for me. I don't really know what to expect

from this Democratic President and that's a damn shame. I admit I wasn't paying too much attention beyond the (D) during the Clinton years but if I had, I would have the same uneasy feeling.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Rec'd because of the snarky, content free unrecs

They got nothing to actually say, so they make snotty comments. About vitally important issues, issues without which our Party has no reason to exist at all.

[RC]

9. I voted for a somewhat Liberal President.

We got a Right of Center DINO. (A pre Regain Republican) The problem is that the current Right is so far to the Right that the real Center has been cast as being Far Left and anyone Left of that is some kind of Left Wing Extremest.

When a person in the real Center or Left of Center (actual Liberal) describes the picture realistically, the are denigrated as some kind of Extremist Left Wing Liberal Wing Nut and shunted aside as not knowing what really needs to be done to correct the problem. Usually by someone that wants to do the same thing to get us out, that got us into this mess. How often are these Far Right Wing people called Centralist or independent by our Liberal Main Stream Media?
No wonder people are confused.

[socialist_n_TN]

17. That's because of a relativistic reading of the

political graph. And it's actually only true for the LEADERSHIP of the political parties. The PEOPLE on issues ARE left wing, bordering on EXTREME left wing in the context of where the LEADERSHIP and the media say the center is now.

As an aside, I saw this coming 5+ years ago when one of the MOST rabid RWers I used to argue with on another board, declared himself to be a "moderate".

[yardwork]

10. Recced just to make up for the nasty unrec posts.

We Democrats ignore this at our peril.

[rucky]

12. The GOP is just a wall-street proxy.

When he negotiates with them, he's actually negotiating with Wall Street - through their surrogates.

He doesn't talk to lobbyists (snicker) so he instead talks to reps who are owned by lobbyists. They have America by the balls.

[joeybee12]

19. I'll rec...and I am dying to see how the apologists spin this when he

caves on the debt ceiling that does long-term damage to ss and medicare.

[sabrina 1]

21. True, people are not sure that this administration will fight

for them on social issues, and we know for sure that destroying the social safety nets and transferring all that money into private hands, is the long-time goal of the far right and their agents in Congress.

There is only one way to deal with them, and that it is to say that SS, Medicare and Medicaid are off the table. Then we go from there to find a way to deal with the crisis THEY created. And stick to it.

But I haven't heard that, and I've seen reports that orgs like AARP who, under Bush airc, fought every attempt he made to touch SS, now says they will consider cuts to SS.

So, the signs are not good, otoh, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised this time.

[Hydra]

23. Nail, meet Hammer

I worried about this during the campaign season when Obama talked about Republicans having "Good ideas."

GOOD IDEAS? They haven't had a SINGLE good idea in my entire lifetime! We didn't need their "help" in destroying everything they touched in order to make a profit for themselves or friends.