Article: 'Raise Your Hand If You're Sick of Dan Choi' (w/ analysis of Choi's Twitter feed)

[Tx4obama]

Raise Your Hand If You're Sick of Dan Choi
Full article and screen shot of Choi's Twitter feed here: http://www.broadwaycarl.com/2011/06/raise-your-hand-if-youre-sick-of-dan.html


p.s. There is enough 'real' stuff for Choi to be talking about, but his making up and tweeting out of of false Obama quotes goes over the line (example: the third tweet with the Obama quote is completely false). Seems like Choi is trying to diminish his credibility.

[Webster Green]

1. Big deal.

No worse than if it was in The Onion. I doubt anyone would think it's an actual quote. If they do' they're pretty dense. :shrug:

[Bluenorthwest]

2. Satire is a great reason to go on a vendetta against a Veteran

who has done great things for his community, I think. I mean Choi first discharged Obama then had Obama arrested, then Choi keeps saying that God does not want people like Obama to be able to get married! He's scum!

[Tx4obama]

4. Satire? An excerpt below from another article sums it up - Choi is dishonest

"Obamabots", the "Professional Left", and total fabrications

SNIP

Perhaps this tweet was sarcastic -- Choi doesn't mention such in the tweet, nor does he note the intent of this tweet elsewhere on his Twitter feed -- but that doesn't matter. Choi attributed a quote to Obama that the President never said. In case you missed this class in first grade, this is called a "lie". And people who willfully tell lies to defame their opponents are "dishonest". And you should not trust a dishonest person.

I no longer trust Mr. Choi.

Whenever I express my opinions about our president's actions, and how disappointed I am during his occupancy of the Oval Office, I do my best to stick to the facts. And when I say "our president", this counts for both Republicans and Democrats -- I defended Bush from lies, too. And I fucking hated the guy. But when you build a case against a politician, if you veer away from facts and base your opinion on fabrications, then you really need to step back, assess your actions, and ask yourself if you're a fucking asshole.

I don't trust fucking assholes.

SNIP

Full article here: http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2011/06/obamabots-professional-left-and-total.html

[Bluenorthwest]

9. Some jerk slamming Choi, what has the jerk done for anyone?

This is some blogger's nasty opinion, sounds bigoted to me, starkly so. He shows several tweets one with a parody of the Presidents craven display of verbiage. It is funny because it is true.
To cast a satirical comment as being dishonest instead of satirical is a cheap lie, without intelligence, and clearly without humor. Perhaps 'Broadway Carl' is a non de blog for Tracy Morgan?

[EFerrari]

12. Dan Choi can't help it if the semi literate read Twitter.

You, on the other hand, still have some time to correct the false claims in your OP.

[Tx4obama]

16. What false claims in the OP?

1) Dan Choi tweeted a quote which he attributed to Obama.
2) Obama never said what Choi typed, therefore the quote and the tweet are false.

[EFerrari]

19. You claimed this thing is an article which implies it's in circulation.

It isn't. It's some unknown blog. And the blogger doesn't analyze anything. For someone who is too literal to recognize satire, you sure are loose in your own usage.

[Tx4obama]

40. Well let's not nit-pick the word 'article'. It is circulating all around the net and on Twitter ...

so it could be considered to be in circulation ;)

Have a great weekend!

p.s. There is absolutely no evidence that the false quote was posted as satire.

[EFerrari]

41. Oh, I see. When you make obviously false statements, we're nitpicking.

When Choi makes a joke that rubs you the wrong way, he's diminishing his credibility.

:rofl:

[Tx4obama]

44. What joke?

There was no joke.
All there was was a quote attributed to Obama by Choi that was false.

I do hope that you realize that we are on the same team.
I was a HUGE advocate of Choi's here on DU up until around the end of last month.
Earlier this evening I was perusing some of the posts I posted regarding Choi in 2010 and even came across a comment that I made where I called Choi a HERO.

So, if he is out doing something dishonest - I believe I have a right to say something about it.

[EFerrari]

45. Calling a parody a lie is in itself dishonest.

Just as it is dishonest to call an obscure blog entry an article or to call a personal attack "analysis".

[Bluenorthwest]

22. You call parody a falsehood for being parody.

You claim a blog is an article, and that it contains analysis, when all it contains is stalking and slanderous opinion from some creep. Your OP and the blog are both intellectually and literally dishonest.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

3. well, consider how dense the average person is

by default that means one half of all people are denser then that :p

[EFerrari]

5. This is not an article and it contains no analysis.

It's a badly written blog entry attacking Dan Choi.

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[Enrique]

6. that's not really making up a false quote

this blogger's own credibility isn't helped by saying that.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. The blogger has no credibility that I can see

Just an obsession, as many do, with slandering gay men.

[EFerrari]

13. So, how many of these geniuses are stalking Dan Choi's twitter feed?

Good grief.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. They are out to get him, all latered up and pushing their ignorant

views and stretching to call a joke a lie. The are just shimmering with fear, so threatened, poor lambs. There seem to be a few of them, creepy shit.

[EFerrari]

28. It is creepy. But it's good to see GD shaking it off.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. This sort of bullshit should be run out of town on a rail by

DU as a whole. The tactics here are beyond dishonest. According to the OP, when the President joked about sending drones after the Jonas Brothers, he was literally threatening them with an airstrike, not making with the funny.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. I'll raise a finger to the op.

All the gaiety here today got you down?

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[QC]

14. +1

[mitchtv]

37. +1

thanks

[Bluenorthwest]

15. DU loves what you are doing here, Tx4obama!

It went over great, this McCarthyite smear campaign. The world is tired of it. It will not work because Choi is correct and the President is so very wrong and just so klutzy about it all. He looks like a pursed lipped and sanctimonious twit.

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[EFerrari]

Obama Stop making me look bad with lame smears against Dan Choi.

[The Eagle 718]

51. Choi lies and gets called out on it

and that is a smear? Sounds like Sarah Palin logic to me.

[Mimosa]

65. ^ ROTFL!!! Now that's funny, EF! ^ n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

29. It is called satire. It was also spot on, funny, just not to you.

Parody is not falsehood, it is parody. It is clear that he is satirizing the President's insulting verbiage. We all get it. You and some blogger named 'Broadway Carl' do not get it. It is a pitiful display. To claim a joke is a serious comment as part of attempting to slander a Democratic hero is a disgusting way to spend your time, if you ask me.


The name calling is another charming element of your post. Not really cricket, that. The word 'cheerleader' is specifically vorbotten, in fact.

[jefferson_dem]

39. What joke? What parody?

While we were celebrating last night, Choi busy tweeting snarky jabs at Obama. Who's obsessed again?

[Webster Green]

49. You are.

It's obviously parody and/or satire, whatever you want to call it. Very obvious.

The pearl-clutching is just pathetic. :nopity:

[demmiblue]

17. I went to bed last night elated by the events that took place....

today, not so much.

:(

(Not overall, but in terms of DU)

[myrna minx]

24. We couldn't even have one whole day to celebrate here.

At least the vote happened on the eve of Pride, so there's still much celebration IRL. :hi:

[Tx4obama]

27. I know what you mean

We were celebrating here IRL here at the house and everyone was in a great mood and then within one hour of the NY vote every thing went to hell when folks started bashing Obama - we thought that we'd have a whole day of joy before the BS started up again.
It's sad.

Anyway, have a great weekend!

[Mimosa]

62. Have you ever considered the world doesn't revolve around Pres. Obama?

Why even post Choi's tweets which everyone but you understood were his personal opinions ? You just want to bash Choi. I don't actually care for Choi but I care less for your putdowns of gay activists in defense of your crush.

[Tx4obama]

67. I was a great advocate of Choi until a month ago.

Now your accusation of 'my putdowns of gay activists' - please show evidence of that. Where have I ever putdown ACTIVISTS <--- which means more than one.

I have posted this ONE OP regarding Choi tweeting a falsehood.

Is Choi off limits for some reason, he is allowed to lie? Why shouldn't he be exposed if he is not telling the truth? Is everyone supposed to follow Choi blindly and excepted to ignore his dishonesty?

And 'NO' not everyone thinks it was satire or a joke or 'just' an opinion. 100s of folks on Twitter and all over the net are really pissed right now at Choi for lying and being dishonest due to his tweeting a FALSE Obama quote - since the time he tweeted his tweet his has lost quite a lot of support.

[myrna minx]

21. Happily unreccing - now I'm off to celebrate a hard fought victory for marriage equality

that happened on the eve of Pride weekend. That drives some mad.

[Downtown Hound]

23. Hand not raised. n/t

[Garbo 2004]

25. Why is Choi's twitter feed a concern? There are blogs about it? Are you concerned that

Choi may be diminishing his credibility in some way?

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Choi is uppity, you know.

He does not know his place.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Raises Hand!

:thumbsup:

[CakeGrrl]

30. So now it's OK to make up shit about Obama out of thin air 'cause Choi didi it?

What's that about "blind followers"? Not a good idea to cast one's lot behind someone going over a ledge.

:eyes:

At least I see now who got the "Cuomo should primary Obama" idea going.

:crazy:

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Being intentionally obtuse is naff

Being unable to distinguish between satire and an actual quote is either an educational deficiency or a symptom of a larger problem.

[CakeGrrl]

42. Bullcrap. DUers say stuff like that here daily in all seriousness.

Don't try to pass it off as a joke.

Hey, if Choi's supposed to be a standard-bearer or representative voice for LGBT rights, then godspeed.

Don't worry about my sense of humor; it's in fine form, as it needs to be around here sometimes. :hi:

[EFerrari]

43. LOL

[CakeGrrl]

46. Yes, it IS to laugh, isn't it?

[EFerrari]

57. It's hilarious. Callng this decorated veteran and civil rights activist

a liar because you don't like a joke?

Apparently there really is no depth that is too low.

[Mimosa]

64. Choi was stating his idea of how Obama thinks, nothing more.

I could tell it was satirical and quickly realised the OP was dishonest and misleading.

[EFerrari]

33. You must hate Jon Stewart and the whole Colbert Report, too.

But you're right. Dan Choi is secretly an evil genius bent on destroying the party.

[girl gone mad]

38. Satire comprehension fail.

Bet you think Swift was really a cannibal, too.

[FreeState]

31. What a crapy thing to post n/t

[jefferson_dem]

36. Actually, I rather feel sorry for Lt. Choi.

The way he absolutely flipped out on stage at NN signaled to me that he was too far gone. It's becoming more and more obvious that Choi has sacrificed the truth, the cause, and common dignity at the alter of his petty bitterness.

[Webster Green]

47. Why is his bitterness petty?

He has plenty of good reasons to be bitter. :wtf:

[Lex]

48. That's what I was thinking too.

PLENTY of good reasons to be righteously bitter.

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[AlabamaLibrul]

52. IOW he's got one thing on Obama, between comfortable shoes, ed deform, and LIHEAP et al cuts n/t

[The Eagle 718]

53. The President doesn't take money from the Koch brothers nt

[QC]

66. But you take pizza. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

54. Dan Choi = Cindy Sheehan

I'm sick of both of them.

[Marrah_G]

55. OFFS...............

[dsc]

56. I love the hypocrisy of someone who can type this in regards to Cuomo

Cuomo's "confidence and strength?" Cuomo signing off on New York's legislation is a no brainer. Show me a bipartisan Congress willing to pass a bill repealing DOMA and I'll show you a President Obama signing the goddamn thing before the ink is dry.

who then links to this list in regards to Obama

Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability – the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation’s history

Signed repeal of Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell

Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act

end of quote

Now which is it? Is signing such bills a big deal or is it not?

On top of the hypocrisy is the lying. Cuomo is universally credited with having made marriage equality a priority and arm twisting personally arm twisting legislators to make it happen. To call that merely signing legislation is rank dishonesty. And to top of his lies. His first accomplishment for Obama has a lie in it too. The first pro gay legislation which passed, actually passed under Bush, it was a pension reform bill which permitted gays to name partners on their pensions. So why should I trust this blogger again?

[Tx4obama]

58. I hope you feel better after your rant, but what does that have to do with the issue of Choi lying?

n/t

[dsc]

59. why should I believe the blogger

who has lied himself? It is apparent to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Choi was being sarcastic. I am truely sorry for those who can't see that.

[Tx4obama]

60. You don't have to believe him, you can go to Choi's tweeter page and see for yourself

the false Obama quote that Choi tweeted.

There is absolutely no evidence at all that Choi was being sarcastic - or 'telling a joke' as some folks have called it.

He composed a 'quote' in quotation marks attached to Obama's name.

That was a dishonest action and there's no way getting around it.


Edited to add: See comment #4 on this thread.

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[cecilfirefox]

63. Someone on this board said that Choi was becoming the new Cindy Sheehan.

And truth be told, as a gay man I agree. He is completely off base and believes things that one must believe with the fierceness of someone who knows its not true.