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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:10 PM
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What if Bavarians wanted to honor regular soldiers from southern Germany who fought in WWII--
--by putting swastikas on their license plates? Putting conderrate flags on Southern plates is the same damn thing.

And don't spout any "but that was the Nazi Party symbol" junk. It was also the whole country's flag at the time.

Swastika, Confederate, Confederate Battle, they all stood for inhuman brutality.

Thank you to jefferson_dem for inspiring this post.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:14 PM
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1. It comes down to wanting to honor soldiers who were fighting for
the right to secede from the Union and for southern residents to enforce their property rights in human beings through traffic and ownership. Should these goals and purposes continue to be honored? When you honor the "brave soldiers", you must also ask what were they fighting for.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:18 PM
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3. When honoring the soldier, you do not have to ask what they were fighting for.
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 04:20 PM by RandomThoughts
You have to ask what they thought they were fighting for.

If the intent was better, but the information that they had was wrong, then it is not actually them doing wrong, but being led wrongly. And many try to do that.

That is why education, transparency, and accurate information sources are important.

And also not saying soldiers must be having PTSD when they begin to question systems in place after being part of stuff that did not make sense when they spend time thinking and feeling about it.

There is a tendency to think the waking of thought on many topics is illness, when it may be not thinking on the topics is the illness, and the storm of rethinking a position is thought to be an illness, when it could be reaching a clarity that a few people don't like.
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 06:07 PM
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8. Congratulations on finally getting beer money
But do you really think the confederate soldiers didn't know the CSA's #1 reason for existence was the continuation of slavery? Come on.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 06:51 PM
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10. I have said before.
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 06:56 PM by RandomThoughts
That is not beer and travel money, and any statement to that effect is to try and get me off my stand.

I am due beer and travel money, and that has not arrived. Any statement that it has arrived by help from many ideas, and that that is the beer and travel money, is not understanding that it is still due.

That would be like saying many better advocates are paying you for the just and compassionate compensation that is due. That does not make sense.

Do you see why that attempt is made on you, to try to get those that are in contempt, by the beer and travel money not having arrived, to somehow think it is over without the proper corrections.

Although the help of many of better thoughts, has always been comforting during times of wrongful hardship that still require correction.

Jessica Alba - Sin City Bar Scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpKjRitYdE

In my view, the Cold Beer, and the Rocking of the R, is a statement in support of the Just and compassionate due of beer and travel money.




Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZxVC0GB838


Constantine - Bring me to life (Evanescence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8d3K_hngw

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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 07:42 PM
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12. I'm very sorry to hear that
I can e-mail my Congressman if you think it might help. ;-)
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 08:48 PM
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15. What you do is your choice, nor do I think it changes that I am due beer and travel money.
Regardless of your post. Note I could have called congress people, or even visited them, I know some people who have actually done that.


That would presume that I post to get the beer and travel money that is due, those are different topics.

I post becuase sharing thoughts on things is what I have always done, and that is not about the beer and travel money.

What are you sorry 'to hear'?

And why?


Although you pose an interesting question, if nobody saw my posts, then the only reason they would happen is to entertain and for me to use my mind. Or specifically it would be to think and express ideas not for them to be read. And since I am not responsible for others thoughts, nor choose someone choice of what they read, that is more of the reason then for them to want to be read. It is the opposite of famous, I don't need to be heard, although if being heard was intentionally stopped, and could help someone, then that filter would take the responsibility for such action.

Although I know what you are saying, you are saying the world will always be unjust, and there is nothing anyone can do about that, with the correlating idea of 'would it help if they knew'

And they do know, but do they care? And what is the point that is being shown.

And you know.


The opposite of being famous, is not needing to be read, but sharing thoughts if someone wanted to read them. If they did not, how would that change the idea of sharing thoughts? Unless you purpose I take the free will of someone and make them listen to me, and that would go against the idea of choice. Although I have that right by the choice of some that have not sent the beer and travel money, with the intent of removing choice.

So I don't need to be famous, nor never thought that was to important, but am glad some people are famous, who have helped with telling many ideas and thoughts that many can learn from. The question is who decides what you hear, should that be you, or some group that wants to own you?

The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9o

Do you get it?
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:30 PM
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18. I do indeed get it, sir
Which is why I shall leave you to deal with your problems. Take care.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:51 PM
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19. LOL
You did that long ago, I am just showing it now.

They are not my problems, I am not the person that owes the beer and travel money.

:loveya:
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:18 PM
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2. K&R
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:19 PM
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4. What's a conderrate flag?
Sorry, not hip to the lingo.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 05:07 PM
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7. +1.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:22 PM
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5. I believe it's illegal to fly the nazi flag in Germany...
and after the nazis destroyed the "good name" of the previously perfectly harmless swastika, any use of it is strongly discouraged, if not worthy of some jail time and a good asskicking.

It appears that we have not evolved as far as Germany, which is accepting its guilt for allowing nazis to rise to power while we still can't fully accept our guilt for slavery and Jim Crow.


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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 06:51 PM
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9. Correct
On both German legalism and American moral sluggishness.
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BOHICA12 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 04:30 PM
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6. The Confederate Battle Flag is an "official" bigot banner.
Might I suggest the Bonnie Blue or Stars & Bars as a bit less offensive. For our friends the Germans - they might stick with the Iron Cross.
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 08:26 PM
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14. Why have ANY symbols of an evil regime?
And the German flag today is just fine. Three bars with no crosses OR swastikas.
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BOHICA12 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:11 PM
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16. Because the country the fought for ...
and believed in, is not represented by the 3 bars. It also nice to use a different symbol so you can identify the idiots that can't see evil .... on either side of the ocean.

The Battle Flag make me flinch .... much like the N word, and I know anyone displaying it either cannot understand others or refuses to do so. I just don't want to be so continually offended.
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:27 PM
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17. I'm sorry, my friend--
--but I'm grasping exactly what you're trying to say, here. Are you AGAINST symbols of hatred, or IN FAVOR of them? Yes? No?

:shrug:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 06:53 PM
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11. Germany did a much better job of reconstruction than we did, with our help no less. nt
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Philippine expat Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 08:08 PM
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13. At the time the Nazi flag is illegal in Germany
if they get that ban overturned i don't care one way or another
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:48 PM
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20. How could you possibly SAY such a thing?
You think it's kosher (word deliberately chosen) for Nazi nostalgists to fly that filthy rag? I guess you have no problem with symbols of our country's greatest sin---slavery---being flown or displayed by racists masquerading as---ahem!---"Defenders of the Glorious Lost Cause"

:puke:
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JustAmused Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:18 AM
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21. As Bugs Bunny would say
What a maroon.

Welcome to my ignore list for idiots
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