Rand Paul: America's hungry seniors should turn to charity

[ej510]

Source: Daily Kos

It's a seriously fucked up new world in Washington, DC.

A Senate subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging, chaired by Sen. Bernie Sanders, held a hearing Tuesday on the “human toll and budget consequences” of senior hunger. Panelists shared tales of woe from older Americans unable to get enough food, and urged increased funding for nutrition programs under the Older Americans Act of 1965.

This might have been non-controversial a few years ago, but not with the Tea Party in town. The hearing produced a fierce debate between Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, and Sen. Rand Paul, the prototypical Tea Partier, about whether the government should even perform simple tasks like feeding hungry senior citizens....

Mary Jane Koren, a geriatrician and vice-president of the Commonwealth Fund, noted that seniors often suffer health problems and are put in nursing homes after falling down. Poor nutrition leads to decreased muscle strength, meaning a higher chance of falling—and weaker seniors are more likely to be gravely injured in such a fall. Koren noted that by 2020, the annual cost of medical care for seniors who fall is expected to reach $54.9 billion—many magnitudes more than the approximately $2 billion per year the federal government spends on nutrition assistance for senior citizens.

Sen. Paul, however, explicitly rejected this logic. “It’s curious that only in Washington can you spend $2 billion and claim that you’re saving money,” he said. “The idea or notion that spending money in Washington somehow is saving money really flies past most of the taxpayers.” Instead, Paul touted the “nobility of private charity” as opposed to government-funded “transfer programs.” He suggested privatizing Meals on Wheels and other government assistance for hungry seniors.

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Fuck this asshole!

[Puzzler]

1. ... and the charity is tax exempt, so the govt. still ends up paying for it.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

9. and broke unwed mothers should turn to charity, and

disaster victims should turn to charity, and amputated veterans should turn to charity, and uninsured cancer victims should turn to charity, and laid off 55 year olds should turn to charity,. and school districts that can't afford school supplies should turn to charity, and hungry children should turn to charity, and on and on.

When the charities go broke, and you know they will, where will the charities turn?

[No Elephants]

73. Those things, while all worthy, are not like Social Security. Seniors paid into OASDI

precisely so that they would not have to rely on charity after they became disabled or reached retirement age.

[GKirk]

10. I'm not sure I get this....

...could you explain?

[Sirveri]

83. Donations to charity are tax exempt. So funding charities removes taxes from the government.

So basically the government is already subsidizing charities by granting them a tax exempt status. Whose dollar goes further is up for debate however. If you pay the max income tax of 35% then the government loses out on 35% of every dollar donated, so theoretically the dollar given to charity is three times what the government would get. However the government is a large centralized organization that can employ unheard of economy of scales, so every dollar spent by the government COULD go further than a small scale charity. I have my doubts that it would go three times as far, but that depends on the specific charity and its operational overhead.

[sulphurdunn]

26. If you privatize

public services doesn't the public still pay for those too?

[AlbertCat]

53. and the charity is tax exempt, so the govt. still ends up paying for it.

It's also proselytizing. You don't think he's talking about secular charities, do you? It's a religion booster.


and exactly why should atheist seniors have to turn to religious groups. Why should citizens of any stripe have to depend on the kindness of strangers and the supernatural? What the hell is government for if not taking care of its citizens?

[No Elephants]

72. Still? If I steal $100 dollars from you, then give you a hot dog, who paid for the hot dog?

[aggiesal]

109. If you privatize Meals on Wheels ...

then the elderly would not be able to afford it,
and the private company would not survive.

Another way to balance the books on the backs of
the poor and elderly.

[DesertFlower]

117. i thought it was private.

i have an automatic monthly donation which goes to them.

[aggiesal]

121. It may be, but based on the story, ...

Rep. Rand Paul (R-Nutcase), mentions that it should be privatized,
as if it wasn't.

I guess my first mistake is assuming that Nutcase Paul actually has facts
about M-on-W.

Based on their website (http://www.mowaa.org), it looks like they are a
Non-Profit organization that gets money from membership and donors, along
with grant money from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

[DesertFlower]

122. maybe he doesn't want them getting

grant money.

[KansDem]

2. "He suggested privatizing Meals on Wheels and other government assistance for hungry seniors."

Oh, yeah..."privitizing" raises its ugly head...again.

Hey, Senior Citizen! Here's your new 'Meals on Wheels' voucher!

[nahant]

49. YUP

Just what the Koch brothers want more dead seniors so they can get a cut at the funeral home... "What the hell we are just wasting money on your old and decrepit body". "Hurry up and die"... Congressman Grayson.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. The Preacher and The Slave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca_MEJmuzMM

Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer in voices so sweet
Chorus
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die



And the Starvation Army, they play,
And they sing and they clap and they pray,
Till they get all your coin on the drum,
Then they tell you when you're on the bum
(Chorus)
Holy Rollers and Jumpers come out
And they holler, they jump and they shout
Give your money to Jesus, they say,
He will cure all diseases today
(Chorus)
If you fight hard for children and wife-
Try to get something good in this life-
You're a sinner and bad man, they tell,
When you die you will sure go to hell.
(Chorus)
Workingmen of all countries, unite
Side by side we for freedom will fight
When the world and its wealth we have gained
To the grafters we'll sing this refrain
Chorus (modified)
You will eat, bye and bye,
When you've learned how to cook and how to fry;
Chop some wood, 'twill do you good
Then you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye
The chorus is sung in a call and response pattern.

--

They'll only feed you after you recite some Gospel.

[demwing]

95. The Salvation Army helped me with utility bills and food

and never once did the subject of God, prayer, or faith of any kind come up.

[ej510]

4. How could anyone vote republicon?

He mentioned last year that Americans should accept $2.35 hr for wages and should stop being greedy. He won anyway.:banghead: :mad: :puke:

[sarcasmo]

14. I keep asking myself that question, how can anyone vote republican.

[Brother Buzz]

60. I wonder what his constituents are thinking these days

Does buyers remorse even enter the equation?

[Mz Pip]

5. Maybe Newt and Calista

can auction off some of her Tiffany finery. That should help many many seniors.

bake sales, rummage sales, begging for donations, just like the Public Schools. I am so sick of these people who seem to think all our our nations woes can be solved on the backs of the poor and the middle class. And if you are really hurting, just beg some.

[somone]

6. A doctor with the heart of Josef Rudolf Mengele

[atreides1]

47. Not even close

Rand Paul would have been the one sending people to the camps, and would have thought he was doing the right thing!

[gratuitous]

7. "You can spend $2 billion and claim that you're saving money"

Yes, Rand, that's right, particularly when you're talking about spending on a federal scale to provide for the general welfare of a nation of more than 300 million citizens. Put it this way: You can fill up the tank on your car, and spend $45 for the gasoline. Or, you can run the car completely out of gas, hire a tow truck for $195 to get you to a gas station, spend that same $45 for gas, and possibly damage your fuel system or engine, for another $600 or so in repairs. So on a personal level, you're spending $45 to save an expense of $800.

Does that make it any clearer, you nincompoop?

[Paka]

15. Good Analogy!

Couldn't be much clearer than that. :applause:

[True Earthling]

97. But the car is only getting 5 miles per gallon because it's over-weighted with bloated spending...

on 2 wars and a foreign policy where we are the military protector of Europe, Japan, South Korea and the Mid-East.

[ej510]

8. Rand Paul is a socio-path.

[aquart]

37. Rand Paul has never known a second of want in his life.

[Demeter]

38. They all are

in both parties. Well, perhaps a handful in the Democratic Party aren't, but they got thrown out...

[nichomachus]

11. Go ahead, Grandpa, just get in that line over there

[Sherman A1]

12. I have some words for the Esteemed Senator Paul,

However, they are unprintable.........I will simply :banghead:

[Taverner]

13. No, I think hungry seniors should eat the Paul family

Gotta cook that meat real well tho - it's practically poison

[Luciferous]

25. :)

[SoapBox]

16. Wow...Heartless AND Cold...both together.

Oh ya...he's in the Thug Club.

Remember folks, these dirty bastards just want you to DIE QUICKLY!

[cstanleytech]

17. Rand is one guy that I wish anonymous would try

and be able to find the skeletons in his closest if any in order to force him out of office.

[Downwinder]

18. I'll get out my robe and begging bowl.

Now I know we are a third world country.

[awoke_in_2003]

57. Then you'll just be arrested...

for panhandling.

[louis-t]

19. Repugs, Libertarians and teabaggers have lost their humanity.

No other way to say it.

[Downwinder]

20. Doesn't Rand Paul read the news? It's against the law to feed the homeless in the park.

[martymar64]

21. Fuck you, Rand Paul!

[Lugnut]

24. +100 n/t

[blackbart99]

105. That's an around the world snap of approval....

on the Fuck you Rand Paul. As a matter of fact double fuck you Rand. Was he named for the author of
Ill repute Rand? What a selfish jerkoff.:mad: :puke: :grr: :nuke:

[blank space]

127. All the way from Melbourne Australia

Fuck you Rand Paul.

[guitar man]

22. Why in the hell should they?

After they worked their entire lives paying into the system that 'ol Rand's heroes and cronies have robbed blind, he tells them they need to walk away from their I lifelong investments and go begging in the streets? JH Keerist!!

When oh when will the masses in this country finally get their belly full of this shit and decide that the uber wealthy handlers of clowns like Rand have gone too far, crossed the line? Where is the tar and feathers ? Where are the goddamn guillotines? Aarrgghh!!!! :banghead: :grr: :mad:

[Downwinder]

27. I've got my pitchfork ready.

[guitar man]

34. Me too

Actually I've got a little more than a pitchfork but I won't elaborate about that here :evilgrin:

[Downwinder]

39. Bring the guitar case, they'll think it holds a tommy gun.

[Jefferson23]

23. That word, privatize....they know no other way. n/t

[guitar man]

40. About "privatization"

I live in Oklahoma and I've been watching their "privatization" schemes here for a couple decades, including in the area that my wife works in, caring for the developmentally disabled.

All "privatization" means here is, they recognize the continued need for a service but instead of the workers that provide that service working directly for the state, they will get rid of all them and then contract the services of a private "agency" that is owned by one of their overpriveleged cronies. The end result is jobs that were paying decent wages and benefits for the state wind up paying less than half of what they used to while the fat "ownership" class pig rakes in what used to be paid to the workers as "profit"

They utterly ruined my wife's profession in this state. After 25 years service caring for disabled people she hung it up this week. They treated her crappier and crappier until she just couldn't take it any more.

Another case in point, across the street from where I work there is a "private" company that dies accounting work for the states correctional facilities. Now I knew a couple people that did that work for the state before "privatization" set in, and I have talked to a couple people that are doing it now. They are making roughly 46% of what the state workers made and shit for benefits while the owner of the "private" business drives up to work in a $275k car.

There is some kind of sickness among the class of assholes that perpetrate these schemes. They somehow cannot stand to see a "common" worker earn a decent living. The day is coming soon when we will have to root these people out of our society, for the good of all. :grr:

[Jefferson23]

64. I'm sorry to hear about what your wife endured..and what you describe

is greed. They dress it up as "freedom" with their privatization language, but this framework
is destructive for many Americans, and the numbers keep growing.

[guitar man]

66. Indeed

Rank greed and nepotism . You want a company that services state contracts, friends and family only, if you're not in the right family or hooked up with them somehow, you're out. It's worse than the damn mob :(

[Mimosa]

71. I've heard similat stories from friends in health care.

Privatisation of public services is a formula to divert money from the needy to the greedy.

[moondust]

93. FROM THE NEEDY TO THE GREEDY!

Bingo.

[Frustratedlady]

28. I keep thinking "they" can't stoop any lower, but they prove me wrong.

"Let them eat cake," should be their slogan.

[Marthe48]

29. Says right in the Preamble of the Constitution:

5 things are named as reasons for creating a constitution -- 1 of them is to promote the general welfare of the people. Taking care of the young, the old, the infirm is what humans do. When did the Republicans drop out of the human race?

[atreides1]

50. When did they drop out.

I would say during the Reagan administration.

And they haven't looked back since!!

[Maraya1969]

30. If you privative Meals on Wheels it is not charity anymore. It is then

a for profit company. Their goal will not be to make sure no one goes hungry but to make sure they make money.

[aggiesal]

110. If you privatize Meals on Wheels ...

then the elderly would not be able to afford it,
and the private company would not survive.

Another way to balance the books on the backs of
the poor and elderly.

[ProSense]

31. Bernie Sanders and Al Franken CLOWN Rand Paul

Bernie Sanders and Al Franken CLOWN Rand Paul

[Gregorian]

32. We didn't create society/government so that we could work our lives away only to live in poverty.

There is a reason why we live this way. Oh, forget it. It's like talking to a rock.

[sulphurdunn]

33. Libertarians

are just six year olds who never learned to share or to care for others.

[area51]

68. +1 n/t

[lumpy]

35. There won't be privatizing of Meals on Wheels unless there is

a profit to be made. That is the problem of privatizing any federal agency. It then becomes a business and businesses need to make a tidy profit.

[Downwinder]

46. They going to send meals out by UPS or FEDEX?

[lib2DaBone]

36. This will only stop with a major work stoppage...

yes.. it will hurt everyone... but it's the only way the media will pay attention to the truth.

We are all going to be screwed royally.. no matter what. So why delay the inevitable? The Koch Bros and the Media are not about to relent.. and things will NOT get better.

[Javaman]

41. oh how I wish this mother fucker grows old and poor

then he will have only his words to eat, if we listen to him.

what a colossal rich ass jack ass.

[DreamSmoker]

42. Let him live on it

Its sickening... The Righteous Arrogance of this Asshole..
Take every dime from him and make him live on Charity from now on ..
See how he sees things after a few months living with struggling relatives or on the street....

[laylah]

43. Rand Paul, you privileged

PRICK, walk in my shoes! I have worked, and paid taxes, since I was 14, I completed my college education, WITH HONORS, 6 weeks before my 50th birthday. Ageism is alive and well! Though I have an education, I have waited tables, worked in a sweatshop, have done whatever it takes to carry my load...and ALL WITHOUT any assistance.

You, Sir, are an ass!

[KeyserSoze87]

44. Every time Rand Paul says something, I hear a child getting murdered.

That's seriously what I hear every time he speaks.

[nineteen50]

45. Corporations have

It's called subsidies payed by taxpayers

[ej510]

48. Can we call these people terrorists yet?

[AzDar]

51. AynRand Paul strikes again...

:puke:

[ej510]

52. Come on don't you know there is a virtrue in selfishness?

:sarcasm:

[Ian David]

54. Alms! Alms for the poor! n/t

[EFerrari]

55. Bookmark this for the next time Ron Paul sounds good to someone.

How can people be so evil.

[fascisthunter]

56. And it's another Justifiable Reason to Tax the Rich

so that people do not have to rely on rich people's charity. Fuck off and pay up, you aristocratic peacock!!!

[unkachuck]

58. there's no comparable 'nobility'....

....in private sector programs, which may come and go or chump you when you need them the most....

....true 'nobility' only resides in 'transfer programs' backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government and the American people....

....only a worthless fascist would see value in having Americans starve....

[BREMPRO]

59. penny wise, pound foolish doesn't sink in to rand's thick ideological libtard goo

in his world only the blindered ideology matters, not results or compassion.

[BillsCatz]

61. NMGP

"Not MY grandparents, of course!" and Paul says to himself. Only those other people who aren't rich like us... Just when I think I've heard the biggest douche bag remark of the year, the Republicans keep going one better. These are the same people who moved our working class jobs out of the US to increase profits, and now they publically mock security and health of non-rich elders.

The French Revolution, an event that bears repeating.

[Crowman1979]

62. So is he gonna collect Social Security and Medicare like his hero Ayn Rand?

[rfranklin]

100. He already collected Social Security...as he was growing up...

When Representative Paul Ryan was 16 years old , tragedy struck his family. His 55 year old father had passed away from a heart attack. Young Paul Ryan found his father’s lifeless body and was burdened by the fact that he had to tell his mother and siblings of this horrible situation.

After his father’s passing, young Paul Ryan started collecting social security benefits until the age of 18 years old. He took this benefit and saved it for his college education. Representative Paul Ryan is one example of the millions of people whose lives have depended on our social contract with the American people. Without this benefit, his mother would have had to make even tougher decisions and Representative Paul Ryan may not have been able to pay for his college education. This social contract lifted him and his entire family out of a tough situation.

Many people do not know that 30% of the social security fund goes directly to widows,orphans and the disabled. It is not solely for the benefit of retirees. Unfortunately this social contract is under a regressive attack by the Republicans, including Paul Ryan.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/paul-ryan-social-security

[CBHagman]

63. It always struck me as a very casual way to deal with...

...life-and-death issues. During the Reagan administration I remember hearing calls for the private sector simply to do more for the disadvantaged. To me that was saying survival ought to depend on whether someone has the inclination, and perhaps the extra money, to help.

Not much changes.

[roxiejules]

65. Thank you, Senator Sanders

“Maybe it’s the same reason why we have more people in jail than any other country on earth including China, tied to the fact that we have the highest poverty rate among children among many other major countries on earth,” Sanders continued. “I happen to believe that intelligently investing in the needs of our people does in fact save substantial sums of money.”

- Sen. Bernie Sanders

[Hugabear]

67. Libertarians are an evil, heartless bunch

Libertarians are pure evil. How else can you look at someone starving in the streets and tell them that they need to figure out how to deal with their problem themselves?

[No Elephants]

69. I thought seniors paid into Social Security so they would not have to rely on charity.

The Rands: A political family of the caliber of the Borgias--and every bit as forward thinking, too!

[Mimosa]

70. Rand Paul is evil

Recently a friend was wondering why bad things (like plane crashes etc) never seem to happen to right wing public figures. Hmmm.

[Kurovski]

74. Everyone: start lining up at Rand's door.

[dogfacedboy]

75. FUCK YOU, RAND PAUL !!!

[raccoon]

76. Un-fricking believable. nt

[City Lights]

77. He needs to be given lots of airtime to repeat this until every person in the US knows

exactly what the GOP intends to do if given the power.

[Le Taz Hot]

78. Well,

Rand Paul can kiss my saggy old fat ass! :mad: I truly hope this man's karma comes within my lifetime.

[WinkyDink]

79. Back to Dickensian days:

"Please, sir, I want some more."

The master was a fat, healthy man; but he turned very pale. He gazed in stupefied astonishment on the small rebel for some seconds; and then clung for support to the copper. The assistants were paralysed with wonder; the boys with fear.

"What!" said the master at length, in a faint voice.

"Please, sir," replied Oliver, "I want some more."

The master aimed a blow at Oliver's head with the ladle; pinioned him in his arms; and shrieked aloud for the beadle.

The board were sitting in solemn conclave, when Mr. Bumble rushed into the room in great excitement, and addressing the gentleman in the high chair, said,

"Mr. Limbkins, I beg your pardon, sir! Oliver Twist has asked for more!"

There was a general start. Horror was depicted on every countenance.

"For more!" said Mr. Limbkins. "Compose yourself, Bumble, and answer me distinctly. Do I understand that he asked for more, after he had eaten the supper allotted by the dietary?"

"He did, sir," replied Bumble.

"That boy will be hung," said the gentleman in the white waistcoat. "I know that boy will be hung."

[blindpig]

80. Jusy saying what capitalists have been saying all along

If we didn't have capitalists there wouldn't be a need for charity.

[ej510]

81. According to right wingers capitalism is the most important system in the world.

[w8liftinglady]

82. in my area... the charities ARE BROKE ...

from so many people turning to them.
There is something desperately wrong with this picture.
Families,elderly,children starving,homeless,dying and suffering.
It is so "Xtian"...hypocritical piece of soulless shit.

[LeftishBrit]

84. How do people so vile get elected?

And I'm talking about some disgusting people here in the UK as well. Everyone will get old if they don't die young, and while I'm sure Rand Paul's dear daddy will never depend on Meals on Wheels, most people aren't quite so filthy rich. How do these types get enough people to vote for them?

[felix_numinous]

85. No--you don't get to tell us to go beg for food

while you stand behind sociopaths.

Rand Paul On Bush Tax Cut Debate: 'You Can't Punish Rich People'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/27/rand-paul-bush-tax-cut-_n_740069.html

[MilesColtrane]

86. Keep talking Rand.

You're shooting your daddy's presidential campaign in the foot.

[guitar man]

87. If Rand Paul ever finds himself hungry

He can turn to my ass because as far as I'm concerned, he can munch my buttcrack! Arrogant sonofabitch! :grr:

[Chimichurri]

I don't understand how Bill Maher said he'd vote for this guy.

[hifiguy]

88. To paraphrase DUer Odin 2005.

Libertarians are anarchists who want police protection from their slaves when the slaves finally rebel.

[Blue Owl]

89. Rand Paul?

Pfffffffftttt.

[DefenseLawyer]

90. Are there no prisons?

And the union workhouses? Are they still in operation?

[neoralme]

91. It's time to go after this man, and I mean in any way possible. This

is man is human garbage.

[kentuck]

92. Dumbass!

Yeah, let them depend on charity. :mad:

[JDPriestly]

94. Sen. Paul, I used to do fundraising for a homeless shelter.

There is no sympathy and very little readiness to give money to the poor and hungry, to seniors and homeless people in our country.

Lots of money is available for right-wing political hacks, for children, for cancer and other illnesses and for youth projects. And oodles and oodles of money to build churches and keep them going.

But people prioritize giving to adults of all ages way down at the bottom of their charities.

Only the government can provide the amounts of help that the elderly and homeless adults need. There just isn't enough charity out there to do the job without tax money.

Rand Paul needs to get out in the world. Unbelievable comment.

[demwing]

96. "Only In Washington?" What a liar!

Did you ever drive an few extra miles to get a better deal on gasoline?
You just paid to save..

Join Costco so you can get membership discounts?
You just paid to save..

Pay extra on a high interest loan so you can retire the debt early?
You just paid to save..

This asshat is either seriously stupid, seriously duplicitous, or both - seriously!

[nonperson]

98. "Fuck this asshole!"

+1

And the horse he rode in on too.

[bobburgster]

99. What an asshole!

Sorry, that's all I can say about anyone who would say that,

[savannah43]

101. Well, well, well. Rand Paul is not as smart as we thought he was.

$54.9 billion minus $2 billion is less money spent. Too nuanced for you, Rand? But then look who he represents.

[Zookeeper]

102. These Libertarian/Tea Party fools need to look back a ....

century. The charity that most Seniors depended on was given by their own children and grandchildren. (Where do they think all the mother-in-law jokes came from?)

I'd like to see the reaction of one of the "Me, me, me! MY MONEY!," when Dad or Grandma announces they have to move in with him.

[Name removed]

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[SpiralHawk]

104. RepubliBaggers really do HATE America's elders

They want to steal the food from their mouths and give it to their fatass Republicon billionaire tax shirkers....

[jillan]

106. And the Seniors that are unable to get around and are housebound? Oh well.

Fuck YOU, you heartless asshole!

[mlevans]

107. No, thank you.

That asshole is much to rank to f**k.

[southmost]

108. fuck that asshole? - uh no thank you....

they want everything privatized, so when "the gig is up", Enron style, no one will be held accountable, and the money/charity/social security/etc. will be all gone... they'll have a fall guy go to jail, but the money will gone nonetheless

[Corruption Winz]

111. God, this guy is a fucking moron..

The government pays for charities because they are tax exempt. Not to mention that charities are funded often times by donations, which would still cost Americans money and would simply be off of Washington's books. The sheer stupidity of this nimrod leaves me shaking my head.

[kestrel91316]

112. Repigs LOVE forcing everyone to rely on charity, because those who

give charity can pick and choose whom they will help. It makes genocide completely feasible. They can say "we don't provide food assistance to THIS group, only to THIS OTHER group". Easy to exclude people of the wrong color, religion, gender, sexual preference, or POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

[Zookeeper]

113. Bingo! n/t

[KamaAina]

114. The first people who will tell you this outlandish idea cannot possibly work

are charity workers themselves. They are at the end of their collective rope dealing with the situation as it is now. Take away government supports, and they'd be about as effective as an umbrella against a tsunami.

[avebury]

124. And just who doe Rand Paul thinks will be able to afford

to donate to charities at the rate things are going?

[KamaAina]

125. Why, all those newly minted billionaires, of course

Paul's brand of unfettered capitalism is bound to create tens of thousands of billionaires, without the slightest negative consequence to any other sector of society.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[John Paul Jones]

115. It's okay to supplement the nutrition programs we have...

[90-percent]

116. Gee

Gee, why didn't the long suffering and less fortunate who's lives are in shambles simply turn to CHARITY?


And, if charity was all it took, why does anybody have any health care problems at all? Just go get your liver transplant at a charity. Call up those charities and tell 'em to send over the deluxe home dialysis machine!

So simple a caveman could understand it.

-90% Jimmy

:sarcasm:

[OwnedByFerrets]

118. Fuck, I hope people wise up...I dont have much hope of it, but

DAMN...how long can they be so fucking stupid to allow idiots like this to represent them?

[Quantess]

119. What would Ayn Rand say about this?

[jwirr]

120. Charities are shuddering about this idea. They do not have enough

money now to serve the people they work with. Food shelves often have to set priorities.

[avebury]

123. K&R

[ThoughtCriminal]

126. The idea or notion that spending money saves money flies over

Rand's head. The concept that malnourished seniors develop medical problems that are MUCH more expensive to treat should be blindingly obvious to anyone - unless you are a "Doctor" from the University of Close Cover Before Striking.