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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:50 PM
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So giving well-fare to the needy, SS to the elderly, etc.
makes these groups "parasites" and drains on society in the eyes of the far-right, yet giving massive bailouts to the bankers who crashed the world economy, tax cuts to the rich, is fine and isn't at all considered a drain on society? The views of the far-right makes no sense to me. There is no greater parasite on society than Bankers and CEOs who have ruined the world's economy and our democracy.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:53 PM
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1. Many disagree with me on this, but at it's core the GOP's argument is based on racism
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:56 PM
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3. I agree completely. Never met a far right-winger who wasn't racist. n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:02 PM
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8. Funny how that works.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 06:18 PM by Deep13
Someone I know said that it seems to him that some people in this society are paid for doing nothing. I was about to agree and to complain about how the ruling class sucks us all dry when he made an ugly remark about Black women ("I know how this is going to sound, but...). I was frankly speechless in response to such a blatantly racist, misogynist and frankly uninformed remark. I forget that for many the Reagan-era "welfare queen" meme has never been debunked.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:10 PM
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9. Actually I'm glad
you qualified that with far Right Winger.

Can't say I've personally met any of them, but I could imagine people on the FAR RW would feel that way.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:19 PM
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12. It's often disguised as xenophobia or class prejudice. nt
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:27 PM
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13. Unfortunately, the racists aren't all FAR rightwingers.
I know plenty of Republican-voting people who consider themselves moderates and even independent, but they lean right and if you talk to them long enough, you will hear those racist statements from them. In fact, today I spoke with one who was blaming the housing crash on "irresponsible minorities". So I'm not saying every single Republican voter is racist, but I think it's more than just the FAR rightwingers.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:56 PM
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5. I would say yes and no to that
There is no doubt they are raciest, but I think the core of the GOP's argument is that if you give money to the poor, weak and helpless, there is less money for the GOP and their friends. The GOP does not do anything without getting something for themselves in return.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:57 PM
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6. I don't disagree at all.
I'll even take it further and say that most conservative policy and ideology is based not only on racism, but misogyny and classism as well.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:54 PM
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2. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 05:55 PM by sarge43
The far-right has bought; it's a whore.

(My apologies to whores who are at least honest about their trade.)
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nonperson Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:56 PM
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4. I agree with you but I have to add one thing
Government doesn't give Social Security to us. We paid for it. Our employers paid for it. They stole it and now they're trying to tell us the system isn't sustainable.

If they return the money they stole the system would be just fine.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:57 PM
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7. The rich are parasites because they take what workers produce for themselves.
People who complain about being able to keep more of what they make should bear in mind that much of their tax revenue is returned to them in the form of services. What corporate owners take from them is gone forever.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:10 PM
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10. Good point.
I'll never understand why CEOs are considered so great in people's eyes. They don't work all they do is order people around and leach off them.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:18 PM
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11. I made up a new meme to describe that.
The rich create jobs and wealth the same way that ticks create blood.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:15 PM
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17. Thank you! That's terrific.
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 06:39 AM
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22. I think CEO adulation is overdone and much
of what folks like Jack Welch says is irrelevant to most people's lives.

On the other hand to assert that CEOs do not work is simply ridiculous. Granted many CEOs for hire do not serve the best interests of their company, but a good CEO is essential to the efficient running of a corporation. My own CEO is pretty good - he came up through the ranks of my company.

Just because someone sits behind a desk and organizes the work of others does not mean they do not work themselves. Most CEOs put in very long hours, and even much of their leisure time has a business reason (don't think that playing golf is just about playing golf).

Now I am an engineer in the trenches so I have no vested interest in defending CEOs and other managers, but without their guidance and diligence I will soon be looking for another job. I have watched a mismanaged company go down the toilet so I know what poor management is. I lost my job at that other company, and I hope that my management in my current company will continue to make the right decisions so that I can keep my job with this company. We export lots of products to other countries, and we still have good jobs for U.S. citizens in this country. The company has invested heavily in new capital equipment in my community, and I hope that means they plan to be in production for the long haul.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 01:56 PM
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23. Yes, companies need active management.
I do not dispute that.
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some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:48 PM
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14. for accuracy.
The right was largely opposed to the bank bail out, and were responsible for it not passing in the first few days after the Bush maladministration had claimed it was an emergency situation and action had to occur immediately.

I remember this, because I was also opposed, and willing to let the banks fail. It's not often I agree with the right on anything.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:03 PM
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15. And billions of dollars to farmers to grow corn that rots on the ground every year.


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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:08 PM
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16. It is mind-boggling, particularly since we all pay into Social Security
(and some of us paid at the highest level for years).
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Oasis_ Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:22 PM
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18. I dunno
My mother-in-law and my father's best friend are both tried and true liberal Democrats (with respect to their voting preferences)---both are in their late 50's/early 60's and both have claimed to have NEVER voted for a Republican in their entire lives, yet are two of the most racist individuals I have ever encountered.

A friend of mine I went to college with is black, and I vividly recall him warning me when we hung out at his parents home once in a while during the summer to please disregard any comments his father may make in my presence as he had tremendous hatred for white people. He never did say anything overtly disparaging, and we briefly talked politics (he was very liberal), but I definitely sensed hostility.

Oasis
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:14 PM
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19. What does that have to do with the OP or my response? nt
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Oasis_ Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:33 PM
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20. Sorry about that
I had meant to respond to some of the other posts that seemed to assert racism is a defective belief held by those only who align themselves with the right and far-right.


Oasis
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:30 PM
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21. Ah, I see. nt
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