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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:42 PM Original message |
Dennis Kucinich Praises Bush, Slams Obama on Libya |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:50 PM Original message |
No comment? n/t |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. I guess DK knows his days are numbered.. so might as well go out guns blazing.. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. Here's what Kucinich said about bush. "President Bush came to Congress". |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No, kpete didn't call it that... the author of the piece did... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. "kpete would never post such nonsense." |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. But you did post it. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. No you didn't write it, you only made sure to pass it on. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Criticizing Obama, Kucinich credits Bush for asking Congress to go to war |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. It's not indirect praise |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Bush got Congressional authorization, Obama has so far failed to do so. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Obama has asked for authorization for military action in Libya...but has he recieved it yet? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. So Obama is supposed to do Congress' job? n/t |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. No. Obama is supposed to get Congressional authorization...which he has failed to do |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Wait |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Again....this is not about finding fault. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. "Again....this is not about finding fault." |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. "Then why is Kucinich suing Obama?" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. "Because Obama has failed to get Congressional authorization for the war in Libya." |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Just because he asked for congressional authorization, it does not mean he has received it |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Here |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. That is not a congressional authorization for military action in Libya. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. What is it? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. It's certainly not a congressional authorization for military action in Libya. n/t |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. That's not the same as getting authorization under the WPA |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
99. The WH, though Koh claims they don't need no stinking Congress. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
60. a reasonable voice, thank you in a sea of fan-boys(girls) nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
124. That poster is clearly a paid shill, no use arguing with her. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. the bruins won the stanley cup.. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. and have a positive opinion on it.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. he didn't praise Bush, he merely told the truth. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Told the truth? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. It is the truth. Bush came to Congress, Kucinich voted NO. Not making a value judgment here. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Funny how that just sorta...gets past some folks, eh? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. maybe DK would get a little more respect around here if tweeted pix of his dick.. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. I kinda think the same people who freaked out over Weiner's weiner are the Kucinich haters too. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
123. the pic didn't freak me out, but his fabrications of being hacked show him to be untrustworthy.. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
61. great post... every day I'm convinced this site is NOT run by zombies. nt |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. it is. |
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Springer9 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Gonna need one of these Dennis |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. stating that bush actually went to congress is hardly praise.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. "why don't you go ahead and tell us what it was that kucinich said that he is wrong about?" |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. kucinich is anti-war. period. full stop.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "it's called consistancy. " |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. If you will remember, Bush actually did get permission from Congress |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Hmmm? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. "Was is warranted?" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. " What?" |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. No, it was not warranted. But the point is, he did get the permission. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. That's |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Whereas "Was is warranted?" and "Fuck Nader" are shining bits of rhetorical brilliance. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. (Omg, they got frylock.) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. What did he want to impeach Bush for? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Hmmmm? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. What difference does it make? A huge difference. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. "Congress while Obama never did" Ah |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Congress has yet to specifically authorize military action in Libya |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Why haven't they voted? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Why they haven't voted is not the issue. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Hmmm? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. That's not how the process works. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Actually |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Where is the specific Congressional authorization for military action in Libya? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Did you miss the vote? It was 1-0 against the separation of powers. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Indeed |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Did Kucinich |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. That is not a congressional authorization for military action in Libya. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. What is it? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. It's certainly not a congressional authorization for military action in Libya. n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
86. What? The War Powers Act gives *specific timelines* for them to act. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. You're confused about the 60-day period |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. No, you don't understand, you haven't read the full statute. The President has 60 days. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Wrong again....Congress doesn't have to do anything |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I have. You apparently think that congressional priority procedures are irrelevant. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. You seem to think the the war powers act is irrelevant |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. No, I condemn the Congress for failing to act under it while Obama followed it fully. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Congress doesn't have to do anything |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Congress *must* form a committee. The President *withdrew hostilities*. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. We are still engaged in hostilities in Libya. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. This is false. Provide proof. Provide evidence. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Can I make any more clear to you? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Providing no evidence whatsoever as per usual for dishonest people. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
82. Correct, the GOP congress had around 45 days to do so, and they did not, not even started to do so. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. "They didn't do it." |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. No, the Congress is required to decide whether or not to authorize. It's plain and simple. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Wrong.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. He had "specific statutory authorization" via the UN Authorization Act. Don't try to fool me. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Nope.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. He didn't extend hostilities beyond 60 days. Operation Odyssey Dawn was 12 days. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. We are still engaged militarily in Libya |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. That is false. Provide evidence of that. We have a logistic role but no hostile role. Period. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. US drones and other assets have conducted strikes against Qadaffi's forces. n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Provide evidence that the US is in hostilities in Libya. One link will suffice. You won't be able... |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. We are still engaged in hostilities in Libya. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Repeating untrue information does not magically make it true. I'm done with this. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Read carefully |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
80. That is false, the War Powers Act gives statutatory authorization to act within 60 days. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Here's what it says.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. That's only part of the War Powers Act. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Wrong again....Congress doesn't have to do anything |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. He had "specific statutory authorization" under UNSC 1973. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. And after Operation Odyssey Dawn completed after *12 days* he "ended hostilities." |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. The US armed forces still engaed in military action in Libya |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. That is patently false. Show one action of US armed forces militarily acting in Libya. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. LOL |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. We are not doing anything, NATO and EU forces are. The US itself has no troops acting in Libya. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. You still don't get it |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. His war authorization was predicated on treasonous lies. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. No disagreement there. n/t |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. What a misleading headline. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. Facts do not add up to "praise". |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Exactly. Truth is truth. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
69. Yes, that's pretty hard to dispute. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. He's not praising Bush, he's damning Obama for dragging the U.S. into another needless war. |
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Brianboru (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. And let's not forget Yemen. |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
85. Exactly |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
64. Posting this hyperbole is beneath you. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
125. She's just doing what gets her paid. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Well the economy is tight right now, so I can forgive that. nt |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. Good for DK. Maybe he can stop Obama from invading Iran. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
77. Kucinich infinitely out of touch? Who would have guessed? nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
78. Better headline: Kucinich says Bush's illegal authorization is better than Obama's legal actions. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
121. don't falsely impugn Kucinch; otherwise, how come Obama praised Reagan? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
122. Your spin is fucking disgusting. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
127. Another steaming pant-load. unrec n/t |
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