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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:19 AM
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So how many people do you think noticed.
They could not get progressives by elections.

So they put charges on Edwards.
They smear Weiner
Redistrict out Dennis Kucinich district.

And that is what you see, how many people of better attempts not in National spot light do they do the same things to.


Do you think people are noticing the pattern.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:22 AM
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1. kicked to zero? You're saying what some don't want to hear.
I believe people are noticing -- but are stunned enough to not know what to do.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 12:53 PM
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14. Its going to be OK.
Hobbits are rallying, Sorrowman in the Shire.

He is out of his tower. People are seeing it.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 11:39 PM
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20. I just now finished The Scouring of the Shire chapter!
Amazing timing, RandomThoughts.

Beer and travel money coming your way.


Hobbits Unite!!!

:bounce: :patriot: :fistbump: :woohoo: :grouphug: :woohoo: :fistbump: :patriot: :bounce:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 11:38 PM
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19. kicked to 67
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:22 AM
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2. Only those of us who do care notice it.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:23 AM
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3. Who is "they"?
Are the US government (with the aid of a federal grand jury), Andrew Breitbart and the news media, and Republicans in Ohio all the same organization? What a wonderful conspiracy.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:35 AM
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10. One need not invoke a common plot
in order to understand that many "disaparate" forces have common aims.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:48 AM
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12. Anytime you invoke "they" it invokes commonality
Disparate forces? Fine, then no need for this thread that suggests a plot.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:47 AM
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25. The coporate/fascist/media cabal that wants to destroy the last
vestiges of democracy. Duh.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:23 AM
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4. The saddest part is, that seems like everyone on both sides
Edited on Fri Jun-03-11 10:24 AM by Lionessa
just gets so easily distracted...by the BS and the REAL issues just pass on by, and we wonder why our government is so easily corporately corrupt...we're like kittens after catnip playing with the end of the yarn and ignoring the ball.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:27 AM
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5. i noticed that
Edwards has been indicted, and the entire gwbush administration still walks free, and i want to scream.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:27 AM
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6. Only those
who would actually vote for progressives in elections.
So not a whole lot.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:32 AM
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7. I've noticed from another country....
and get constantly hammered for saying so. The usual excuse is that I'm not an American,so I can't criticize.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:43 AM
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11. You, by not being a USA'n should have a better picture of what is happening here.
We get spoon fed our propaganda. Canada and Europe not so much.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:32 AM
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8. If he used campaign funds to support his mistress,
which is illegal, then he needs to pay; whether it be with a fine and/or jail time.

I would like to see the lawbreakers in the Bush Admin. brought to justice, but with a corporate asshole as AG, and a corporatist as President, it ain't gonna happen.:eyes:
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 12:03 PM
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13. I think they are operating on the money being fungible scheme.
So, any monies he paid her even from his own pocket, took money away from his pocket that would have gone into campaign. So, they can convict even if he didnt use campaign money.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 10:33 AM
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9. For this observation alone
I believe you deserve the beer and travel money. And many experiences.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 05:16 PM
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15. I agree.
:-)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 05:18 PM
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16. +1
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:22 AM
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27. Indeed.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 06:46 PM
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17. And they bought the media. The reporters swarming Weiner was a ridiculous sight.
Good post, Random. :thumbsup:
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 06:50 PM
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18. Fucking around on wife > war crimes...apparently?
this is why we are in decline...inability to focus.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 11:59 PM
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21. This and more. k&r //
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 02:58 AM
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22. Spinning heel kick
Rec if you haven't
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Holden_C Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 05:12 AM
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23. No they are not noticing nor do they really care
If people really cared their would have been riots in the streets and gun battles between the Dems and Pubs all over America after Bush v Gore.

Most are very happy being slaves to the corporations and really don't care as long as they can watch tv and stuff their faces with junk food.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:46 AM
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24. Word
You're right, Holden. The tyranny has gotten more & more egregious since Bush v. Gore, and we continue to fight back by signing petitions & beginning legal channels that take months or years to resolve. If the Dade County storm troopers in 2000 had been beaten back with baseball bats, this whole decade might have turned out differently. We just don't seem to have the will to fight.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:20 AM
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26. You are
I am.
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JazzQuipster Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:30 AM
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28. I'll give you the Kucinich redistricting...
...but Ewards and Weiner???

John Edwards is a sleazeball whom the department of justice has charged with using campaign contributions to try to cover his sleaziness. He brought it on himself and the courts will decide his guilt or innocence.

Anthony Weiner? It remains to be seen what the story is there, but he has done nothing to help himself if he is completely innocent. I'm not saying that Weiner broke any laws or that Breitbart, himself, isn't a sleazeball, but if Weiner has these pictures and has tweeted them to young ladies then he put himself in this embarrassing position which has served as a distraction from the real issues.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:10 PM
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29. "Speaker" Boner gave votes to lobbyists in exchange for blow jobs
It remains to be seen what the story is there, but if he really traded votes for sex, he put himself in an embarrassing position. However, it's not a distraction since Big Media never ran with it. Since Boner himself never sued, nor even challenged the Enquirer, we can all assume he's guilty, but since he's a right-wing Repuke whose owners also run Big Media, we'll never get to find out.

Go back to freeperville - you'll be much more comfortable there. Around here we call out liars and propagandists.
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JazzQuipster Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:00 PM
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30. Sorry I didn't fall into line...
...and make excuses for poor, misunderstood John Edwards, or defenseless Anthony Weiner. I guess I just have an old-fashioned belief that politicians should be held accountable for their actions regardless of whether I agree with their politics or not. Odd that in your view, that makes me a liar and propagandist.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:43 AM
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31. And I'm sorry that foxnation propaganda doesn't rate a chorus of "amens" here
It has become clear that weinergate was a fraud, and instead of worrying about prosecuting him you should think about sending the perpetrators to federal prison. Also, if you don't think Boner's sex-for-votes deal should be investigated, then your old-fashioned belief is nothing more than hate-radio style partisan propaganda.
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JazzQuipster Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:13 PM
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32. Thank you for the "warm welcome"...
...to democraticunderground. Actually I've been visiting the site for years. Recently I signed up in order to comment and what do you know, right off the bat you have accused me of being a freeper, a spreader of foxnation and hate-radio propaganda. And why, because I think politicians should be held to account for their actions. I hate like hell being put in the position of defending myself from your false charges, but despite your assumption, I'm not a right-winger. It pains me to see people on our side going through contortions to rationalize that John Edwards is the victim here and his "honor" needs to be defended, so I spoke out about it. Why waste time defending a sleaze like Edwards?

As for Anthony Weiner, I never said that he should be prosecuted. Even if he did send the picture I don't believe that constitutes a crime. I like Anthony Weiner and think he's a terrific advocate for progressive issues. I just think that Weiner has handled the press questions about the incident poorly and that has only brought more negative press attention upon himself. It seems to me that people on blogs like this are doing more to defend Weiner's honor than Weiner himself is doing. Nothing would make me happier than for someone to find a smoking-gun that proves that Breitbart and his cronies manufactured this controversy in order to smear Weiner.

The Boner sex-for-votes deal is new to me. I never heard of it before. Of course it should be investigated and prosecuted if there's anything to it.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:48 PM
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34. Your post doesn't agree with your profile statement.
A liberal "welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions".

You reaction seems rigid to me.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:50 PM
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35. I'll apologize to you too
I'm sorry I offended you by taking to task a new poster who's already convicted Weiner and Edwards while ignoring Gingrinch and Boner, and whose "old fashioned ideas" lead him to bring hate radio talking points in here.
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JazzQuipster Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:50 PM
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36. Sheesh!
Doctor_J, I'm not asking you to agree with me, nor should you ask that of me. Just, please stop putting words in my mouth.

Your latest bellicose claim that I have already "convicted" Weiner and Edwards doesn't pass the smell test.

If you go back and read what I actually said, I said that a court of law will decide Edwards' fate regarding the criminal charges that were brought against him. I also called him a sleazeball which is not a crime that one can be convicted of. It's my opinion that Edwards is a sleazeball and I stand by that. My opinion is based on known facts about his behavior which includes lying, cheating on his dying spouse and attempting to cover it up. In my world it's sleazy.

In my last post I made a point of saying that I don't know whether the picture is Weiner's or not, but even if it is and he did send it, it's not a crime. To you, that's "convicting" him. As it happens, more facts are now coming out about this and I don't think they're going to be good. This is what I feared would happen and I take absoutely NO delight in this. I like Weiner and it saddens me that this kind of stuff is coming out.

And finally Doctor_J, to demand that I address issues about Boner and now Gingrich that weren't part of the original thread is just ridiculous. What is the standard here, if I'm going to criticize a Democrat for his scandal I must automatically give equal time to Republicans caught in similar scandals in the past in order to satisfy you? I'm here to express my opinion which doesn't make me a liar nor does it make me a right-winger despite what you think.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:22 PM
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33. Every once is a while, you write something that we all can understand, RA
This is one of those times.
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