Ten years ago this week...imagine your world today if the opposite had happened.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Ow, that hurt.

[oberliner]

2. Joe Lieberman would be president today?

After two terms of President Gore?

[Better Believe It]

4. Joe Leiberman would have become President if Gore had died or left office?

[oberliner]

15. What if he just got elected after Gore served his two terms?

Like Bush the elder did after Reagan.

[Auggie]

19. I'd say Hillary Clinton

[oberliner]

22. Now that would have been an interesting primary

Wasn't Gore considered a centrist back then? Too similar to the Republicans?
Isn't that what encouraged the Naderites?n

[Raster]

3. Actually the opposite DID HAPPEN. According to the Independent News Consortium,

if all ballots in Florida were lawfully and legally counted, Albert Gore won. The Consortium ran through six different scenarios. All said the same thing: if all ballots fairly cast were legally and lawfully counted, Gore won. No "ifs", "ands" or "Naders." Gore won.

Once you begin to factor in all the tens of thousands of *probable* Democratic voters that were ILLEGALLY removed from the votering rolls by Jeb Bush* and Kathleen Harris, then it becomes quite clear that Al Gore won with a much larger margin than suspected.

Once you take into account the illegal and immoral methods used to suppress voting--primarily aimed at miniority voters and people of color--than it comes abundantly clear that Albert Gore won Florida handily, and thus winning the Presidency of the United States.

[Art_from_Ark]

6. Yes, Gore won

But the US Supreme Court went through amazing contortions to come up with the most asinine interpretation of the 14th Amendment ever to ensure that Al Gore would not become President.

[Indydem]

7. NY Times says differently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

The bottom line remains, that Gore received 500k more votes than Bush and the Electoral College is a sham.

[unblock]

11. not really. that article agrees that more floridians voted for gore than for shrub

the article merely points out that gore's chosen legal strategy of focusing on just a few counties probably wouldn't have been enough. but this is all part of a ridiculously flawed voting system, why should candidates have to (or get to) have a say in which counties get recounted and based on different criteria and so on.

[pnorman]

21. That was the headline, but this was in the text:

"But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''

[kickysnana]

13. +1

[MrMickeysMom]

5. An entire new era.... stolen then

You would have seen something much different from what we have now, to be sure.

This makes me wonder about two things... how far up the military industrial complex and banking fraud chain did this vision come from?

More worrisome... How far down to we have to go as a nation?

[Luminous Animal]

8. NAFTA? Welfare Reform? DADT? DOMA? Repeal of Glass-Steagall? Extraordinary renditions?

Omnibus Crime Bill (with the forfeiture of property without conviction)? 500,000 (Albright "worth it") deaths in Iraq?

[seafan]

9. It was a crime against our country.

We took a very dark turn on December 12, 2000.


We will not fully recover from that in our lifetime, if ever.

[AlienGirl]

10. Sometimes I imagine that alternate universe having a shadowy, fractal-dimension sort of existence

In that universe I am doing all right.

Tucker

[BlueIris]

17. So have I.

But as I confessed on Thanksgiving, I'm not sure I would be doing alright. This trauma made me. It also almost killed me, but at least I chose good and now I am here and alive. Don't think I would have been motivated to choose good if I hadn't seen how revolting pure evil is when it takes over your entire country.

[snooper2]

12. nothing much

would be different, if anything...

[Skink]

14. that lock box looks pretty good bout now.

[MoonRiver]

16. Makes me sick.

I'll never forget the Supreme Court traitors. :mad:

[travelingtypist]

18. Balanced budgets, independence from hydrocarbons.

Green jobs. National debt on it's way out the door. Non-crumbing infrastructure. Real school improvement, not No Child's Behind Left. Real healthcare reform, like maybe Medicare for all.

And above all, no 9/11. No illegal wars sucking our country dry of blood and treasure.

Oh, we wouldn't all be together. I wouldn't be a politically aware as I am. DU would not exist since it came into being in response to the election theft.

I think I'd take that trade.

[Auggie]

20. Hard to gauge -- Gore would have had to contend with a GOP controlled Congress

[librechik]

23. December 12, 2000- the official date of the End of America. n/t