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Edited on Sun May-22-11 01:00 AM by RandomThoughts
Some use religion without knowing anything of better spirit, and try to get people to be deceived into doing wrong. Or they were tricked into thinking they have the 'secret' and other people don't so they have to keep there motives secret. Note 'secret' is an open ended place holder for anything anyone wants to think. By saying there is a secret doctrine also, opens the door for anyone to think what that secret might be.
That is why I think the reasoning you speak of, from another perspective can help many people. There are many examples of training someone to have faith, but not teaching discernment, and without discernment that can be used for bad.
Then they have so much faith, and get tricked to do something wrong, there are many delusions that use that route.
Establishing some faith in a belief that does not also include discernment of what a person thinks and feels is best can create issues, faith needs reason, I think that is why there are so many inspired writings in so many places. Although each person should decide what is inspired and what is not.
It is why I think the story of Abraham and his son is told wrong many times, it is told only about faith, and not about Abraham's mistake, and how his faith then helped him from that mistake. Some people need to believe all power comes from the same place, so in that the story is told that God told him to do something, then showed him a way he did not have to. In that the people you speak of, sometimes see something supernatural, and just assume it must be correct by it having power. That is first defense only.
Side note, the use of the hurting of children, was done in many cultures. It is a delusion to create much despair, and much sadness when people realize they were wrong to do such things, that can be used to break down peoples empathy and love. And it was done all over the world centuries ago, and still is attempted as a delusion for many people.
On the Abraham story, in my view, the Baal side told him to do something, but his faith and God being faithful, sent him help explaining he did not have to do a bad thing. A bad side trying to get him to make a mistake, and a good side that helps him. So Abraham, in his failing did not know Baal was impersonating God, but it was faith in the true God that Abraham had, that was seen by God, and God sent an angel to help him.
The way for people of either science or spirit to defeat a delusion is the same way, although they might see it differently.
First defense, the powers of the spirit.
Second defense, love in the heart.
Third defense, inspired writings from many people.
That works for science or spiritual, and also matches the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit.
You can see the same thing in the science perspective, don't just think something that has some power is correct, weather money, a boss, or anything of some position. Don't let those things get you to do something becuase they only tell you to. But also check it with your feelings and heart, and check it based on the many writings of many people on what makes a better society, and how a person should be in a better society.
Were you able to read that without a macro in your mind diverting you from reading any of it? Some non believers react the same way to belief topics, as some believers will react when someone asked them to think and feel on something.
I think people with lots of reason, and not much experiences with the supernatural have the same blockers that some that don't use discernment have.
But here is the thing, you don't have to believe to be of help to many people, that is a choice, but I believe there will be a time when you will be helped if in a crises where only belief can help. That is tolerant to your position of non belief, and even seeing much value that can be added by your critical thinking from that perspective of non belief, if you conversation is tolerant and not against belief, but about what people think there beliefs tell them to do. Although I think you will have the same experiences believers have at some point.
Or what I am saying is me believing, and you not believing does not mean we can not have conversations on much of the great stuff in everything, weather from a reasoned science perspective, or a spiritual supernatural perspective, either way it can help someone somewhere, or that is how I believe.
Although I agree ridicule of nonbelievers, or believers, doesn't seem to help anyone.
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