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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:44 PM
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The hypocrisy is astounding,
If it had been another European politician, except a conservative instead of a liberal, also with a reputation for womanizing, say Berlusconi or Sarkozy, we wouldn't be seeing this rush to his defense around here. We wouldn't be seeing this blaming of the victim that we're seeing around here. We wouldn't be seeing this disgusting misogyny in post after post.

But since it is DSK, a socialist, all the sudden everything is fair game? Attacking the victim, labeling her a "honey trap". Positing wild conspiracy theories, where one is more far fetched than the last. Blaming the victim, insisting that she couldn't be a victim, asserting that it is really DSK who is the victim.

All because he is a socialist. :eyes:

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Face the facts people, it doesn't matter what a person's politics are, liberal, conservative, fascist or socialist, they can still be assholes, they can, and do commit assault, against women, against men. Their politics don't determine their guilt or innocence, but rather the person's actions.

So rather than go off on an orgy of hypocrisy, misogyny, blaming the victim and succumbing to ever more bizarre conspiracy theories, try doing the sensible thing, wait for the courts to decide. Wait for the evidence to come in. Act like an adult and see what happens. I know that's hard, I've jumped on the bandwagon before and gotten my happy ass scorched. I learned from that, and now I'm here to tell you folks that it is time you learned that lesson as well. Let the justice system take its course.

And then, after all is said and done, when the final verdict is in, that's when we can weigh in, one weigh or another.

But right now, to continue to blame the victim, posit these wild ass theories, right now all that is doing is making a lot of you look like foolish assholes. And if it does turn out that DSK is truly guilty, you will look even more foolish. So I suggest that you quite while you're ahead.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:45 PM
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1. The hypocrisy and sexism. "Honey Pot" my ass. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:47 PM
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6. i am glad others were as offended. what a fuckin pig writer as another pig assaults a woman
geeezus
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:45 PM
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2. You are 100% correct.
You'll likely never hear that from me again. :D
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:48 PM
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8. LOL!
You never know, I might surprise you again :evilgrin:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:45 PM
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3. The sad thing is that DSK is only a SINO, not an actual socialist.
Rape-apologists REALLY piss me off. :grr:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:46 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:47 PM
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5. That's a pretty pathetic motivation. -nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:48 PM
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:48 PM
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9. I think we know the real motivation.
amateur
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:49 PM
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10. Why would you waste your time??
Why would you join a community that you feel are full of hypocrites??
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:50 PM
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12. Cause, sadly, I am one too
:(
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 03:15 PM
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42. I've often heard it said...
that we hate in others what we most despise in ourselves.

I, too, hate hypocrites.

I, too, am a hypocrite. I know I am. I don't like it, but I'm aware of that fault in myself.


I like to pay attention to the things people rant about in regards to others. The things they hate most.

Like when people see pornography or sexism or racism just about everywhere they look. Like when RW "Family values" guys get all spastic and foamy at the mouth over homosexuals and then they get caught having gay relationships.

People hate what they think they might be themselves...


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:49 PM
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11. Golly, that sounds fun. Or something.
:wtf:
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:51 PM
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14. You should see my ignore parties. Toga ignore parties every second of the month
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:51 PM
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15. Well, hey,
Thanks for hijacking my thread for that personal announcement.

Sounds like you're either not going to be here long, or since you will have everybody on ignore, we won't hear much from you.

Either way, your motivations for joining up are, well, a bit bizarre to say the least.
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:53 PM
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19. Are you mad at me for agreeing with your hypothesis of rape apologists?
Edited on Tue May-17-11 12:57 PM by shoutinfreud
Why wouldn't you ignore these people? Don't blame me for "hijacking." It's not my fault I seem to have irked people by pointing out the same thing you did.

Fuck, I guess a new guy can't say the same thing as an old guy. What a website.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:58 PM
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24. I think that what is irking people is your statement that you joined up to put people on ignore
It is a rather bizarre reason to join, to say the least :shrug:
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:59 PM
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26. Well, fuck em if they can't take a joke.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:01 PM
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29. Well, as a famous comedian once said,
If you have to explain the punchline, it isn't a good joke.
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:03 PM
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33. Gallager? I think I just need a more high-brow audience.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:20 PM
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39. You hijacked your own thread by accusing somebody else of
hijacking.

Hope you're done so we can get back to the point of your thread. :hi:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:51 PM
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13. Dammit, I have to agree with you again. It throws off my rhythm! nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:52 PM
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16. ha ha ha. i was thinking the same, lol. nt
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:54 PM
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20. Did someone call "Opposite Day" when I wasn't looking?
Seriously, though, if *insert random right-winger* had been accused of rape, everyone around here would be calling for blood.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:56 PM
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21. yup. but... i have had this phenomenon happen often enough. and it is always
kinda fun
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 03:19 PM
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43. So was I. But then...
there are very few people here with whom I totally disagree on a constant basis.


And some I mostly agree with, but not always.


:7

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 04:41 PM
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46. true that. you and i being one of them.
we agree some and disagree some, lol

:hi:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:52 PM
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18. Hey, I like throwing people off their rhythm now and again,
Keeps things interesting.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:56 PM
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22. It's good for me--makes me realize that I actually do think
for myself!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:00 PM
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27. Its also good because despite a lot of the bickering on some stuff,
Most folks around here have a lot basic ethical and moral commonality. We disagree on how to get there, but not on the fact that we do need to get there, if you get my rather contorted drift.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:05 PM
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35. I do, and I agree. I have nobody on Ignore, because on issues I'm passioante about,
a lot of DUers that piss me off to hell one day (including on this issue) share my views (I tend to a near open border approach).
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:08 PM
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38. Yep, the same reason I've never put anyone on ignore
Though once I was forced on a mutual ignore by the mods, but that person is long since gone.

Gotta run, catch up with this later. Have to do a bit of woodwork, and hit a job interview(one actually in my field, education)

See ya later :hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:52 PM
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17. You know I learned he was a socialist well after
I went, this ashole used power to try to get advantage. Sexual assault is assault, PERIOD... this belongs in the courts... and SHE deserves to have this in the courts, and if this man is found guilty, I hope the judge throws the book at him.

Though you should know, he is a caviar socialist... according to the Guardian reporter interviewed by the BBC last night. That was a chuckle.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:57 PM
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23. Yeah, I knew that he was not a very good socialist,
And a fairly wealthy one at that. But he would probably be better than Sarkozy.

I think that the NYPD and prosecuting attorney are following the correct procedure. Their logic for denying him bail is impeccable. He will get his day in court, and we will find out the truth of this matter for once and for all. Yeah, it sucks for him to be stuck in Rikers with an election coming up, but no more sucky that the thousands of other poor folks who get stuck for years and decades in jails when they were actually innocent.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:01 PM
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28. The fact that the DA went ahead and arrested
tells me they have a case. Somebody who may, or may not have diplomatic immunity and is a well connected person is not somebody cops like to touch... UNLESS they have a case.

it is in the court system... and in the hands of jurors.

But what pisses me off, is how some people are defending him... no, not because he is a socialist... you are well TOO KIND... I hate to say it, but because he is WHITE and RICH...

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:02 PM
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31. It's a testament to the soemwhat twisted thinking about this that the
fact that he's treated like a common, everyday accused perp indicates to some that there's some calculated plot behind this. To me, I'm happy that the guy didn't get the kid-glove treatment.

If it were Karl Rove, we'd be praising the NYPD like we do astronauts and firemen. :shrug:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:58 PM
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25. I personally think he's guilty...
But then I thought the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty and we all know how that turned out.

I've learned not to jump to too many conclusions, particularly after I found out that a relative by marriage who was a high ranking police officer and nobody's fool thought that OJ was probably innocent.
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shoutinfreud Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:01 PM
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30. I think he either lost his marbles OR has been doing this for years and been paying out the nose
To keep people quiet. I can't see anyone doing this any other way. The lack of reason is so far out there. I could see a regular guy losing it for some reason and doing it, or I could see a career sociopathic sex pervert doing it all the time and some how convincing victims to keep quiet.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:07 PM
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37. Go read the French Press on that
or the Guardian if English is all you read. You are correct, he's adventures in Paris are an open secret.

A few women in France are also coming out...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:02 PM
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32. It's astounding how astounding hypocrasy always is.
Meanwhile, I have read (on DU as well as elsewhere) that the guy was a real jerk who was likely to embarrass the French Socialist Party as much as the French right has been by Sar-cosy.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:03 PM
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34. K&R...
must be bizarro day at DU :)



Sid
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:05 PM
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36. Gotta keep you on your toes around here
But more to the point, gotta hone to a basic code of ethics and morals, no matter where it leads.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:25 PM
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:44 PM
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41. I said the whole thing had an odd odor before the other women came forward
and it still has a bit of an odd odor.

Being a socialist certainly doesn't confer sainthood and rising to a position of power often prevents it completely.

I'm still waiting for all the information including forensic evidence to be either shown or leaked.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 04:43 PM
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47. I hope showed and not leaked
by Friday they HAVE to show this to the Grand Jury... if the Grand Jury decides no case, then this man will be on the next plane to Paris. I guess that will make some folks really happy 'ver here. The efforts to tell us that the maid lied are just ... astounding...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 03:23 PM
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44. Are people really 'defending' him?
I haven't seen that.

Lots of questions and theories, but where are people outright defending him against the alleged charges?

:shrug:


Actually, what shocks me is the barely-concealed red baiting going on around here. :puke:
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 04:29 PM
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45. Yes, people are defending him.
Edited on Tue May-17-11 04:31 PM by JoeyT
Conspiracy theories and victim blaming are pretty much the only ways you can defend someone accused of rape. One tries to create a grand conspiracy in which he didn't really rape her, she's just part of a plot. The other acknowledges that it's possible he raped her, but that she deserved it. People are "just asking questions" the same way Beck does: They don't actually want answers, they just want the question to score a hit on the victim.

As far as red baiting, I'm pretty much a socialist, and I'm not about to defend him or slander her. I will say that anyone that automatically takes a rich white guy's side over a poor black woman's because of his title probably isn't a very good socialist.

Edited to add: Not very many people are defending him. It isn't like there's a legion of defenders. Just a few that are being really vocal.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 05:01 PM
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48. Yeah I was thinking that too..............
Of course, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this story since it first came out, so I could have missed something. He disgusted me just by being a "cavier socialist" (love that phrase). Add to the mix the power trip of rape and this guy didn't seem to be somebody who should be within shouting distance of power.

If he were convicted, even the Stalinists would have had him shot.
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