Edited on Sat May-14-11 11:49 PM by ChoppinBroccoli
Just a little background information first. My oldest son turned 5 this month and is going to be starting Kindergarten in the fall. In the school district where we live, there are several elementary schools, but only one of them has all day, every day Kindergarten, and the one my son would attend based solely on where we live isn't one of them. However, we were told that if we wanted to get him into all day, every day Kindergarten, we would have to request a transfer to the other school (which, by the way, is literally right next to the school he would normally attend), and then win a lottery (because pretty much every parent in that school district is naturally going to want his/her child to go to all day, every day Kindergarten. Well, last week, we found out that our son got into the all day Kindergarten program, so we were pretty excited about that. Between my wife and I, our work schedules would have taken a serious hit trying to accommodate pick-ups and drop-offs for just a half-day Kindergarten program, and we were stressing out over how we would get that to work, so this news was a big relief.
On Friday, we got 2 letters in the mail from the school system. The first one alerted us that our son had been approved to attend the all day, every day Kindergarten program, and told us everything we needed to know about how that would work. The second one advised us that because the recent school levy (voted on last week) was defeated, the school district was cutting out all transportation services (aka busing). Translation: I'm going to have to drive my child to school every day in the Fall. This would normally not be all that big a deal, but the doors to the elementary school don't open until 9:05 a.m. Guess what time I normally need to be in Court on the days I have Court. And since EVERY PARENT with a child in that school will ALSO be driving his/her child to school that day, what do you think the chances are that I'll be able to drive up to the door, drop him off, give him a quick good-bye, and then get immediately back on the road, given the line of cars trying to do the same thing?
Here's what irks me about this whole thing. We live in a fairly well-to-do suburb of Columbus. It's not Dublin or Upper Arlington (the uber-rich neighborhoods), but it's right up there. In the run-up to the vote on the school levy issue, there was a very visible and well-funded "Vote No on Issue 7" campaign waged (Issue 7 was the school levy, in case you couldn't figure that out). And nothing would upset me more than to drive home through the "rich neighborhood" and see these HUGE houses with "Vote No on 7" signs in their front yards. Yeah, I'm sure that extra fifteen bucks you're going to have to pay in taxes to support your local schools is going to REALLY break your bank, assholes.
So I said last Friday (after reading that letter), only HALF-facetiously, that every time I have a scheduling conflict that makes it difficult to drop my son off at school at 9:05 in the morning, I'm going to drive him up to the door of one of these houses with the "Vote No on 7" signs in the yard and tell them, "Here. YOU drive him to school today. Hope you choke on your 15 bucks, Asshole."
I'm getting so damn sick of living in "all taxes are evil" land. I ALWAYS voted for school levies, even when I didn't have children, because I value, and will ALWAYS support education, no matter whether I directly benefit from it or not. Anyone who would vote down a school levy qualifies as evil in my book.
3. What these butt heads don't get is this is a country, not a corporation. The
balance sheets are different. If one runs a country like a corporation it will fail. The converse is also true. One does not fire people out of a country as non-essential and the same is true for funding of programs.
4. Sadly, it's not just teabaggers, but lots of regular people
-- many of whom have posted here in the past -- who do not understand why they should pay school taxes if they themselves do not currently have kids in the public school systems. There is a short-sightedness that's pervasive, that's been around a very long time in this country, and too many people just do not understand the whole point of taxes and of collective action.
11. The Stupid are phenomenal AND growing in numbers. Greed and the American
Me! ME! Me! attitude is making this country rot from the inside out.
I understand some degree of wanting a little more for yourself, but when you have so much and you don't want to share a simple $15 bucks more in taxes to help our future - our children - do better so they can compete with children around the world, that's taking greed to a whole new low. And, sadly, this new phenomenon is very much exclusively an American affliction.
The guy heading up the "Vote No on 7" campaign was interviewed on the local TV news right before the election. First of all, he HAS kids in the school district. Then, when he was asked why he was so hot to see the school levy fail, he said that the schools don't NEED a levy. His solution to the budget crunch? He wants every teacher in the school district to take a 10% cut in pay. He claimed (wrongfully, of course) that if every teacher took a 10% pay cut, the school district wouldn't NEED a levy. Of course, his numbers didn't add up, but that's not the main point. He wanted EVERY TEACHER to take a 10% cut in their pay just so HIS taxes wouldn't go up a few dollars (an amount that would certainly not even APPROACH 10% of a teacher's salary, even at what public school teachers get paid--and it ain't much).
And, to repeat, he HAS school-age children in this school district. How can this guy look at himself in the mirror?
66. I'm really starting to believe Republicans are sociopaths. They have no natural human emotions
and are void of compassion. I believe that's why so many are fanatical about going to church, too. There, they can at least learn how to mimic being a good person since it doesn't come naturally to them.
with an investment banker who works on Wall Street. He was going on about GM and the UAW and how they had created the problem on Wall Street. So I asked him if he really wanted to live in a society with no middle class. I also asked him if he had ever worked on an assembly line and he said he had not. I said I think those UAW workers work harder every day than he or I do in our entire lives, and I really respected that. They shouldn't be blamed for management decisions anymore than he should be blamed for decisions his bosses make, they were just hard working folks trying to support their families, like him. And he said "Well putting a face on the GM bailout really changes the argument". I said maybe you investment bankers need to do that, since you're currently pretty high up on everyone's shit list. He laughed.
We went to school together and we talked at our reunion this weekend. Our parents had been good friends. I hadn't seen him in years. I can't help but remember how kind his mom was. He sounded so cold.
He started telling me how much he admired what I did for a living. I asked him why he did what he did, what motivated him to go to work every day, just making more and more money? Was that enough? And he admitted it really wasn't, he had enough money, his bonus last year was probably higher than my yearly salary and he had reached the point where he needed more than just that paycheck.
I have always believed that everyone needs that satisfaction that how they spend their life makes a difference and it isn't always about money.
I'm going to be in the same boat in a year. Our rural Ohio school district just failed to pass a levy which I voted for which will eliminate all day kindergarten and require those of us who do want our children to attend all day to pay on a fee basis. I think it is BS - and all day, every day kindergarten should be provided with busing by the schools.
I do disagree a bit with the expectation that every levy should receive a "yes"vote however. There is a neighboring school district that had a bond issue on the most recent ballot that I did disagree with and had I lived in that district, would have likely voted "no."
8. And I Know All Too Well What Can Happen When Schools Start Cutting Programs
When I was heading into my Senior year in high school, we faced a similar crisis, and desperately needed a school levy to pass. If it didn't pass, my high school was going to cut out all extracurricular activities.
Now, some of you might be saying, "So what? Who cares if they cut out stuff like sports? That stuff isn't necessary for a good education anyway." But here's the deal. I was a football player who was being heavily recruited. My ability to play football helped pay for my college education. Without that money, I couldn't have gone to college. And without going to college, I couldn't have gone to law school. Suffice it to say that without football, I wouldn't be where I am right now. And because the precursors to the Teabaggers (this was the late '80s) were busy voting down school levies left and right back then, they nearly altered the entire course of my life for the worse. That's what happens when people value the pennies they save in taxes over the education of the children who live in their neighborhoods.
And that's why I never have, and never will, vote no on ANY school levy. Believe it or not, your vote doesn't ALWAYS have to be about "what's in it for me me me?"
-this was 50 years ago by the way - my mother was the only one on the block who worked. she paid another mother across the street to sit with me before and after school. i agree that the manic push to remove all taxpayer funded programs that benefit the citizens as opposed to the obscenely rich is despicable as well as STUPID. at the same time you have a practical issue to deal with and i suggest trying to find a parent in your neighborhood who needs a few extra bucks and would be willing to care for your child during those hours when you must be at work.
when my kids were little - 20 to 35 years ago - there was a daycare center. i always worked. the daycare center walked the children to the schools to which they could not be bused and put the children on the bus if there was one. the day care center my children attended for 12 years was subsidized and i could afford it even though i never made much money at the time. nowadays child care, according to people i work with, is prohibitively expensive. but you may have the means and it's worth it if the alternative is that your child doesn't get to go to school unless you lose your job.
about 10 to 15 years ago, my SIL babysat her nieces and carpooled several of her daughter's schoolmates for extra money as she was running a business out of her home that didn't generate much money. you may find a woman (or even a man) in your neighborhood doing the same thing.
you have a little time to work it out. best of luck.
17. Teabaggers are destroying our schools here also
One of our newly elected state reps is a teacher who is also a teabagger. He voted against school funding. Can you imagine? Now his district is having to lay off teachers. Dumbshit voted himself out of a job.
So is it fair to say you qualify as "fairly-well-to-do"...also?
You didn't state, so I'll ask:
Do you want your child in "all day every day Kindergarten" so he will advance educationally? Or, is it more beneficial as a sort of "all day every day" day care....so you and your wife can pursue your professional interests?
Being "fairly well-to-do"....why isn't a licensed day care facility a consideration?
35. Obviously, If You Double The Hours, You Double The Learning Time
My oldest son is very advanced for his age, and he's been in a daycare that has given him an education (as opposed to just watching him and playing with him while we work) for the last 5 years.
And as for our financial situation, we do all right, but we don't qualify as rich. We don't live in the neighborhood with the big houses; we live in a more modest one a little further down the road. That being said, paying for private school is not something we would financially be able to do. Nor should we even be required to consider it, if not for the inconsiderate assholes who think that an extra 15 bucks in their wallet is an absolute necessity but don't think schools need any money.
27. So, you're looking for school + babysitting to accommodate your work schedule -
- I would suggest you look into a private kindergarten. There won't be transportation but there will be fewer parents and probably longer hours of operation so you would have more options as to when to drop off and pick up your child.
You didn't indicate but it sounds like transportation to this particular school is what was cut as I cannot imagine that ALL school transportation to all schools in your region was eliminated. It also sounds like this is a "magnet" type school given its difference in hours for kindergarten and probably pulls in children from different areas, making transportation to that one school rather expensive. Can't say I blame the voters for shooting down the levy if a significant portion of it was to pay for transportation of children to a magnet school because parents want the luxury of more school hours to accommodate their work schedules.
Sounds like you'll have to do what about 99% of all other working parents do - either hire someone to watch your children before and after school or put them in private kindergarten.
The levies in this school system have been failing so long and so consistently that they are discontinuing ALL BUSING. If the next one goes down, they're going to start firing teachers and discontinuing extracurricular programs.
There is nothing special about my child's school. It's an elementary school just like every other one. It opens at 9:05 because that's what time ALL elementary schools in the district open. They open an hour later than the Middle and High Schools, which I assume was originally done so the buses could pick up all the older kids, get them to school, and then go back for the younger kids.
And private kindergarten isn't an option. All 3 of my kids have been in daycare since they were born. The younger 2 still are, and will continue to be. Our oldest is going to school NOT to have somebody to watch him while we work, but because we actually want our kids to go to school. I thought every parent wanted education for their child, but apparently I was wrong.
46. Do any of the daycares do drop-off and/or pick-up?
My wife & I have had some crazy work schedules since our daughter has been born. However, we've had daycare where we would drop our daughter off before 8:00am in the morning. They daycare would take her to school (along with a few other kids) and then pick her up afterwards, and then I would pick her up from the daycare when I got out of work. The Kinder Care that we used was open from 6:30am to 6:30pm at night. We did this for our daughter when she was in first & second grade and it worked out well.
Our daycare is one of the best ones in terms of educating the children (as opposed to just watching them), but they don't offer anything like that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that they will only allow pre-school age children to attend there (at least I've never seen a child over 5 there).
It's a good idea, and worth looking into, but I've honestly never heard of that before (a daycare that takes kids to school).
...disabled, never had any kids and I have ALWAYS voted "YES" on levy increases.
I have no offspring, but other people do, and they might want their kids to receive something approaching a decent, useful, well-rounded education in a safe environment with proper equipment and sufficient textbooks that are both accurate and current.
While I don't give a flying BFD aboout the local baseball stadium I helped build with my increased taxes, there's thousands who DO and take much joy in it. When it comes to the local library however, I gotta to cop to having a few, nay, a whole PACK of dogs in the fight (so to speak).
Lot of other stuff I can't think of right off the bat, but just because I may not use it doesn't mean it's not important to the community as a whole.
But then, I'm a liberal, so I know damn good and well it ain't just all about me. It's all about all of us.
like a jerk, but what you have going for you sounds pretty amazing. I've never heard of all day Kindergarten. Where I live, it has always been a shorter day than the other grades. Imagine what a blessing that would be for a single parent with a low paying job, struggling to support his/her family?
To be honest, pretty much everyone makes arrangements, of some sort, to drop off and pick up their child(ren) during the school year at any grade level, even if it is only getting them to a bus on time (or getting their teen age butt out of bed). We all do it. And those who work all day make arrangements for child care after school.
I'm curious as to why there even is an all day kindergarten. Is is based on academic acceleration? Or, is it there to accommodate parents who need child care? It sounds like you and your wife are doing well enough to pay someone for a hour or so in the morning to watch your son and then drop him at school. Just the money you're saving on the baby sitter you would need following a normal day of kindergarten should more than make up for it.
I guess I don't really understand your gripe. I think schools should get plenty more than they do, but funding buses in well-to-do suburbs for kids who won attendance to the coveted lottery school would not be at the top of my list, if on it at all, at least not until other needs are met for all students. I'm for buses to lower income areas, after school programs (that essentially baby sit kids whose parents work), teacher's salaries, school supplies, healthy lunches, the arts...so many other things.
Parenting is the toughest job I've ever done. I understand what a pain-in-the-ass the logistics can be. Hold onto your hat. It only gets more complicated.
36. Just move to PA, where there are no levies to be voted on
for school tax increases, or any other tax increases. I don't have an option to vote yes or no on school taxes, but I have a feeling that I would vote no sometimes. Where I live, there is so much waste in the schools that it would be time to slow it down.
Of course, every time a levy fails in OH, that is the strategy they use----cut busing, cut sports programs, cut extracurricular activities. It is never cut the management drain or look at consolidating districts with small student populations, or even cooperation between districts to purchase supplies.
49. There have been anti-tax groups from before Obama's parents were even born
A lot of towns in CT have had anti-tax groups for years - the newer phenomenon is the pro-schools groups that are actively opposing them for the first time. I'm in my mid 40s and I remember the anti-tax groups when I was a kid and the fights over the school budgets and the groups of elderly people who were organized into opposing the schools.
However, my current town in CT had a huge march demanding we raise taxes in town last year. That never would have happened even 3-4 years ago.
55. As well as before school and after school care in a limited sense.
Lots of things have changed... I used to walk a mile to school, and that was in the Greater Los Angeles area in the 70's. My elementary school was about a quarter mile from my house, my middle school about half a mile, and my high school was over a mile. I don't ever remember a time when my parents sweated getting me to school. It was pretty much my responsibility to get myself there from the time I was in about 3rd grade in the 60s.
the school levy did not pass in November 2010 (first loss since 1970). They were planning to start up all day kindergarten but since the levy did not pass the school board decided not to go for all day kindergarten but they did keep busing for all kids in the school system. When our kids (twins and now HS Freshman) were in day care we decided to go for an all day program at a Montessori school because the Mason School system only had 1/2 day kindergarten. It was expensive but has paid off more than we could have imagined. They both love school because of the pre-school/kindergarten experience and they were transitioned well in the public system. Mason is 4th acedemcially in Ohio for pubic schools so we can't complain too much. Of major concern is in two years if another school levy is defeated there is going to be major issues in the school system.
I feel for what you are going through. Kasick and the anti-taxers are not helping public education in Ohio.
My parents; my brothers and sisters and even little old me survived into adulthood with only a half-day kindergarten. And no head-start either. My parents had six kids, and living off my dad's paycheck, managed to get us through HS and all six of us have minimum of a BA or BS degree and a few Masters thrown in for good measure.
When my kid's were in grade school, we left them with the neighbor as well as a few other parents and they got the bus from there. The neighbor made a living watching those kids, some of them were with her in the AM for the bus to school. So all and all, I really don't understand what the OP's complaint is although maybe I'm a little dense. I personally have enough of my own problems with my family go around to with worry about how other people arrange their children's transportation needs. Sorry if this offends but I'm sure you will find a way to survive.
I live in San Diego, I have a friend that after an election said that he voted against every school initiative on the ballot. I asked why? He stated that he didn't have any children attending school, so why should he have to pay for any school measures?
I jumped down his throat with that statement. At the time I also didn't have any children attending school. But I asked my friend, if he attended public schools growing up? His response was of course he did. I then asked him, who he thought paid for that education? He said his parents. I told him that he's incorrect, and that his parents paid a fraction of the cost. And now it's his time to pony up the money he benefited from. He disagreed. I called him a selfish loser.
63. Good lord, this takes me back. Here's an idea for you and fellow-parents:
Back in the 1970s in Minnesota we got a legislator to sponsor a bill mandating transportation for school kids, and providing state revenue-sharing to assist school districts in paying for it.
This was not a popular measure with the IRs (MN Republicans) as you can imagine, and a number of DFLers were wavering on it as well, since many local officials lobbied heavily against it.
The Community Action Agency I worked for organized a march of more than 2,000 school children and their parents. We marched those kids, with their beat-up, holey sneakers hanging around their necks (tied by the laces,) right into the legislative chamber during the debate. And we arranged for the press to be there. They sat down around the perimeter of the chamber, barefooted with those crappy worn-out shoes hanging around their necks, and watched "their" representatives debate about whether they needed transportation.
That wasn't the only thing we did to get the measure passed, but that put it over the top.
64. sorry to hear that. maybe you could get another parent as a driver?
While it's saddening that the levies are getting much support are there not alternatives to do for now such as arranged transport with another parent? And really? Even $15 a big deal? :eyes:
And guess what, the bleepin' teabaggers already picked this up, like at Dummie Funnies (just mocks not really defends the situation) and Conservative Underground (some there also support my idea of carpooling...but are a bit meaner).
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