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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:20 PM
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I don't understand why the bin Laden porn find matters
So we're told bin Laden had a porn stash. I get that this goes against Muslim belief. So does killing a bunch of people. So it's not as though this is a surprise. If the idea is to discredit OBL in the eyes of his followers, I don't think this will really work. I'd guess some large percentage of his followers will choose not to believe it, and those who do believe it will probably just feel relief over not having to feel as guilty over their own sexual thoughts, etc.

If this is for domestic consumption, I guess we get to call him a hypocrite, but again, I think that was pretty much the consensus anyway.

Am I missing an important angle in this story?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:22 PM
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1. Yes... I don't think release of this information is any more "helpful"
Edited on Fri May-13-11 02:23 PM by hlthe2b
to US interests, than would be the release of the death photos, frankly. But, I guess it depends on where one draws the line in terms of disclosure... :shrug:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:23 PM
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2. The word "porn" gets attention
It draws readers and viewers and as a result, sells ads.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:27 PM
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7. There it is, folks.
+1.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:34 PM
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15. That is precisely the idea
Well done, blogslut!
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:46 PM
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36. Coming from the "I sell e-cigs" blogger.
:sarcasm:

Just pokin'. I agree 100%.

:smoke:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:23 PM
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3. fundamentalist muslims think porno is sinful=Osama a hypocrite
no surprise, they hate him for bunches of stuff he did.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:09 PM
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31. killing alone makes him a hypocrite
anyone claiming to be a man or women of god who gets people to kill others is a hypocrite and a sociopath.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:24 PM
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4. Other people lived there and it's possible that it was not Bin Laden's stash
But you're right, I don't see it as being that significant. I don't remember anybody caring that some of the 9/11 hijackers spent their last night on earth at a strip club.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:27 PM
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5. It doesn't.
I guess it's just a story that gets people to click on links...?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:27 PM
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6. For a man who hates Western culture so much, he sure
indulged in it a lot! Next we'll find out he used an iPad.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:30 PM
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10. porn is Western culture?
plus Osama was not Amish, I don't think having an Ipad would be controversial.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:29 PM
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8. Hypocrisy
According to bin Ladin the American presence in Saudi Arabia defiled the holy place.

That's the angle you could be missing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:32 PM
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12. Except the report is it was found in the compound
and the leap we're supposed to make is that it was his.

This story is cr@p. There is nothing in his much raked over life that shows he was a hypocrite in this regard. He really did all the stuff he exhorted other people to do. Lawrence Wright documents that in his biography.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:42 PM
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20. I'm not leaning toward calling the story crap since it's too early for that
And given how so much has been written about the hypocrisy of many Muslim men regarding their sex lives - let's just say that it wouldn't surprise me a bit if this story has some truth to it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:51 PM
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26. It's possible. I guess the alacrity with which people are making that leap
is sort of disturbing.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:43 PM
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35. Sex often puts people in a light hearted, even silly mood
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:56 PM
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40. You're probably right.
I guess I don't have much of a sense of humor around bin Laden.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:06 PM
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42. I wouldn't fault you for that
And humor helps some people to deal with things. I do that a lot. Hang in there, dear EF.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:29 PM
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9. I can't believe how gullible people are.
Seriously.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:33 PM
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14. Is it my gullibility you're referring to, or someone else's?
Your post wasn't clear. Thanks.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:40 PM
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19. I'm referring to the general gullibility of taking this story at face value.
This story follows a rather predictable pattern. Certainly it could be true, but I find it highly suspect and more likely to be psy-op propaganda.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:49 PM
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23. ok, thanks. I agree with you, for what it's worth
I don't know whether the story is true or not. It could go either way--our government does lie to us on a regular basis. If it is a government lie, I don't think it will be a terribly effective one. It's just difficult to imagine that it will make much of a difference one way or another to any interested parties.

thanks.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:59 PM
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29. At the end of the day, who cares?
It's funny either way.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:39 PM
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34. Psy -ops!?!?! To what end? What is gained?
Yet another religious straight person is shown to be less than Sanctified. Big whoop. Huge propaganda victory! Heterosexuals are hypocrites about sexuality, be they Muslims or Christians, they rail against others while enjoying what they wish to enjoy, like Senator Ensign, like bin Laden.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:05 PM
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44. You are kidding, right?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:52 PM
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38. Next up: OBL ate kittens for breakfast and used hamsters for bowling.
:rofl:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:31 PM
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11. did bin Laden ever talk about porn?
or about sex? I guess he might have, but it was hardly a major theme of his as far as I know.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:33 PM
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13. It kind-of implies that the rest of his files were not encrypted.
If he could have hidden his porn and his plans/personnel data, why would he not have hidden both?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:36 PM
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16. It's the hypocrisy.
nt
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themadstork Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:37 PM
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17. Because
it's another chance to make fun of the backwardness of the brown people, duh.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:40 PM
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18. Osama bin Ladin's followers viewed him as the new Prophet of Islam
It totally undermines this notion
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:46 PM
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21. thanks for the responses.....many seem to center around hypocrisy
If this release of news does result in some of his followers ceasing to believe in his cause, I believe this just goes to show that fundamentalists there are similar to fundamentalists here, at least insofar as believing that sex is somehow worse than violence. In other words, they already had ample reason to steer clear of the guy. By all accounts, he's a mass murderer. So it's interesting that a porn stash might weigh more negatively in some supporters' eyes than all the murder he committed. Of course, we have parallels here too. Ask any fundy: sex is bad, but US-led wars are good. Anyhow, thanks again for the responses. It's always interesting to see what makes other people tick, and I'll be watching with some interest to see if I can gauge ME/Pakistan opinion on the subject.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:49 PM
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22. Guess what! This is a bigger scandal than killing people ... among OBL supporters.
Edited on Fri May-13-11 02:49 PM by damntexdem
And like many scandals, they're all probably indulging, too.

Besides, it's excellent comic relief.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:50 PM
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24. doubt it. bin laden supporters aren't likely to believe us gov't PR.
more likely to keep the demonization going for domestic consumption.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:53 PM
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27. ditto
:hi:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:50 PM
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25. Maybe he was just doing research.
:*
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:57 PM
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28. I can see this backfiring
followers might actually think that's the reason he was killed, Allah was mad at him for the porn kept in his house.

Hey, we know the fundies here do the same thing whenever anything bad happens, it's always the result of somebody's "sin" isn't it?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:02 PM
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30. Just one more reason bin Laden
needed killin' . . . without a trial first.

:sarcasm:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:24 PM
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32. Well, it gives some a giggle, I guess.
That seems to be its effect here on DU, at least.

The man's a freaking terrorist. Porn is insignificant in every way in comparison with that.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:29 PM
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33. Yeah - it would matter a lot more if he was wanted for rape in Sweden /nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:50 PM
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37. It's just more of the "do as I say, not as I do" sort of thing. nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:53 PM
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39. It was all interspecies Bukaka and necro dirty Sanchez.
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hooknows Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:57 PM
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41. It's nearly tongue in cheek. The Right is notorious for going
after the oversexed liberals--Clinton and others. It is laughable that after all of OBL's purported crimes that porn would be an issue.

PS. But maybe they want to somehow make it look like porn leads to terrorism. :tinfoilhat:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:32 PM
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43. "Clinton" is "oversexed"? What?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:07 PM
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45. You must have missed all the threads at DU every time an
American fundie is exposed as a hypocrite.
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