Water boarding is torture.. torture is torture..there cannot be a moral equivalecy

[Peacetrain]

on this subject. I know the President has said no more water boarding and put a stop to it. Now you have the right trying to sneak under the fence again with some things like it was water boarding that got Bin Laden

It was NOT.

If they got anything, it was so useless and cryptic that they shut down the CIA unit that was targeting Bin Laden in 2005.

What the current administration did.. was refocus and go intel.. really solid intel.

There is no moral use of torture. What it did was extend by years and years our capturing Bin Laden and cost us and the people of the middle east countless lives, and broken bodies and minds of survivors.

torture is torture..and we got Bin Laden not because of it..but in SPITE of it.

[Arctic Dave]

1. Now this i agree with you wholeheartedly. ;) nt

[Peacetrain]

2. Someday you are going to have to explain to me how our last

conversation went so south ;) till then have a good Mothers Days.. I am out of here to celebrate!

[Arctic Dave]

3. My apologies. I may have jumped the gun thinking it was another * isn't that bad of a guy thread.

I am about ready to chew my my keyboard if I see another one of these threads.

Bush is a war criminal, no grey area at all about that.

Once again, my apologies.

[Peacetrain]

4. That is okay... I know I have misread my fair share of ops and had

steam coming out my ears..:fistbump:

[WinkyDink]

5. Leon Panetta muddied that water for the Democrats.

[Robb]

6. I will go one step further:

Even if torture did work, which it does not, there is no prize that is worth that cost. None.

[Peacetrain]

10. So true!

[Enthusiast]

7. The extremists that took control of the

nation in 2000 are bad people. I mean fundamentally bad people. Disregard the Christian facade. Their first instinct was to torture, you know, like the Nazis. They didn't steal the election with good intentions in mind.

[Bonobo]

8. But as recent DU consensus will show, it is okay if the torturee is BAD enough.

As long as the person we are torturing is bad enough and evil enough, even torture is okay going by recent DU logic. Right?

[Enthusiast]

9. They didn't ask me. nt

[Peacetrain]

11. bonobo, I have never seen a consenus on DU where it is okay to

torture.. even Bin Laden or Hitler.

Now if you caught someone on a bad day and a mad day..they are apt to say things in anger.. I know I have.

and this is an example on me.

When a young child was sexually abused and the killed by an older male relative.. My first reaction was to catch him, put him in a shed, nail his penis to a table..give him a rusty knife and go out side and set the shed on fire and let him make the decision.

Would I really do such a thing..no.. would I condone someone else doing such a thing..no..but when the hurt is close and the anger is building lots of things can be said.