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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:08 PM
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Congress to Examine "Inappropriate" and "Devastating" Use of "Geronimo" Codename in bin Laden Missio

Congress to Examine "Inappropriate" and "Devastating" Use of "Geronimo" Codename in bin Laden Mission

ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe (@jaffematt) reports:

The Senate Indian Affairs committee will hold a hearing Thursday on racist Native American stereotypes, a hearing that will now also address the Osama bin Laden mission and the code-name Geronimo.

While the hearing was scheduled before the mission, a committee aide today said the linking of the name Geronimo with the world’s most wanted man is “inappropriate” and can have a “devastating” impact on kids.

“The hearing was scheduled well before the Osama bin Laden operation became news, but the concerns over the linking of the name of Geronimo, one of the greatest Native American heroes, with the most hated enemies of the United States is an example of the kinds of issues we intended to address at Thursday's hearing,” Loretta Tuell, the committee's chief counsel, said in a statement.

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The Senate committee is chaired by Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii. Thursday’s 2:15p hearing will examine how Wild West shows, Hollywood films, and Indigenous-themed sports mascots have shaped the perception of Native Americans, according to a press release. Witnesses include Tex Hall of the Great Plains Tribal Chairman’s Association, Suzan Shown Harjo of the Morning Star Institute, Charlene Teters of the Institute of American Indian Arts, Stephanie Fryberg of the University of Arizona, Chaske Spencer of Urban Dream Productions, Jim Warne of Warrior Society Development.

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APNewsBreak: Tribe seeks apology for code name

The leader of the Fort Sill Apache Tribe is looking for a formal apology from President Barack Obama for the government's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden.

Tribal Chairman Jeff Houser asked for the apology in a letter sent Tuesday to the president.

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Houser writes that his tribe was ecstatic to learn about bin Laden's death but those feelings were tempered when members learned that the code word used for the terrorist was the name of one of the Oklahoma tribe's legendary warriors.

Houser says equating Geronimo or any other Native American figure with a "mass murderer and cowardly terrorist" is painful and offensive.



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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:11 PM
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1. Damn. You'd think they would be proud it was used.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:32 PM
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12. Geronimo defied the powers that suppressed his people. You know,
the ones who were guilty of slaughtering people and their continual land expansion..the United States and
Mexico.

It was an offensive code name for them to use.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:12 PM
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2. Formal apology required
very insensitive. Can't take it back now. Just apologize.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:15 PM
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3. New Rule: Code Names using personal names of historical figures...
...are restricted to white people of Western European descent.

List of potential code names for upcoming operations:

Roosevelt
Machiavelli
Houdini
O'Neill
Wallace
Smith
Franklin
Stuyvesant
Boggs
Stephenson
Alcott
Shakespeare
etc.

helpfully,
Bright
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:29 PM
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9. You jest, but you are correct: Don't co-opt a culture that we tried to destroy in the 19th C.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 02:29 PM by WinkyDink
Use your own.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:34 PM
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15. I wasn't entirely jesting.
Although I admit to a bit of irony. It is far too easy for people who do not live under a historical shadow to forget that such shadows exist and have power.

resignedly,
Bright
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:18 PM
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4. Does the fact that the code name was for the operation, not the target individual
not matter to these people?

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:18 PM
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5. I could have sworn this was the codename given to OBL under Bush, many years ago.
Really. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Obama Administration has anything to do with this.

PB
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:23 PM
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6. Oddly, I dod not think of the historical person when I heard the codename
I thought of people jumping out of an airplane or otherwise making a great leap...
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:26 PM
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8. I believe that
Geronimo was the code word for bin laden's death and that is all.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:26 PM
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7. I was curious about how the names are chosen
here's what I found;
"The goal is to create a name that has absolutely nothing to do with the activity of the region, so you could walk down the street in Washington during the planning stages and ensure that nobody knows it's about Libya," Elliott told the newspaper.

So anyone linking Odyssey Dawn to Homer's epic about the journey of Odysseus - which may have taken in the Libyan coast - is wrong.

The US has strict guidelines. The names should not "express a degree of hostility" or be "offensive to good taste or derogatory to a particular group, sect, or creed". Commercial trademarks, as well as "exotic" or "trite" choices are also banned."

Link to article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12831743

Still they could be a bit more sensitive with their selections as pointed out in the 3rd graph.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:31 PM
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10. I find the choice of Geromino as the code name offensive.
I posted this in a similar thread:

I find the use of the name "Geronimo" for the operation offensive the same way I would find the name "Tillman" or some other American hero or religious figure for the same operation offensive.

You appear to not be that familar with American Indians. Genocide occurred. Indian culture is in recovery and is by Federal policy that reflects the immorality of the past. One such law is the Native American Religious Freedom Act.

About the Constitution and Tribes from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_...

Nation to Nation: Tribes and the Federal GovernmentWhen the United States government formed, it replaced the British government as the other sovereignty coexisting in America with the American Indians.<10> The U.S. constitution specifically mentions American Indians three times. Article I, section 2, clause 3 and the fourteenth amendment section 2 address the handling of "Indians not taxed" in the apportionment of the seats of the House of Representatives according to population and in so doing suggest that Indians need not be taxed. In Article I section 8, clause 3, Congress is empowered to “regulate commerce with foreign nations…states…and with the Indian tribes.” Technically, Congress has no more power over Indian nations than it does over states and general congressional laws are not applicable to them. In the 1970s Native American self-determination replaced Indian termination policy as the official United States policy towards Native Americans.<11> Self-determination promoted the ability of tribes to self-govern and make decisions concerning their people. It has been argued that American Indian matters should be handled through the United States Secretary of State, the official responsible for foreign policy. However, in dealing with Indian policy, a separate department, the Bureau of Indian Affairs has been in place since 1824.

At the foundation of the constitutional status of tribes is the idea that tribes have an inherent right to govern themselves—the power is not delegated by congressional acts. Congress can, however, limit tribal sovereignty. Unless a treaty or federal statute removes a power, however, the tribe is assumed to possess it.<12> Current federal policy in the United States recognizes this sovereignty and stresses the government-to-government relations between Washington, D.C. and the American Indian tribes.<13> However, most Indian land is held in trust by the United States,<14> and federal law still regulates the political and economic rights of tribal governments. Tribal jurisdiction over persons and things within tribal borders are often at issue. While tribal criminal jurisdiction over Indians is reasonably well settled, Tribes are still striving to achieve criminal jurisdiction over non-Indian persons who commit crimes in Indian Country. This is mostly due to the Supreme Court's ruling in 1978 in Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe that tribes lack the inherent authority to arrest, try and convict non-Indians who commit crimes on their lands (see below for additional discussion on this point.) The Oliphant decision remains "controversial because it signaled that project of imperialism is alive and well in Indian Country..."<15>

Tribal State Relations: Sovereign within a Sovereign Another dispute over American Indian government is its sovereignty versus that of the states. The federal U.S. government has always been the government that makes treaties with Indian tribes - not the states. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that “Congress shall have the power to regulate Commerce with foreign nations and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes”.<16> This determined that Indian tribes were separate from the federal or state governments and that the states did not have power to commerce with the tribes, much less regulate them. The states and tribal nations have clashed over many issues such as Indian gaming, fishing, and hunting. American Indians believed that they had treaties between their ancestors and the United States government, protecting their right to fish, while non-Indians believed the states were responsible for regulating commercial and sports fishing.<17> In the case Menominee Tribe v. United States in 1968, it was ruled that “the establishment of a reservation by treaty, statute or agreement includes an implied right of Indians to hunt and fish on that reservation free of regulation by the state”.<18> States have tried to extend their power over the tribes in many other instances, but federal government ruling has continuously ruled in favor of tribal sovereignty. A seminal court case was Worchester v. Georgia. Chief Justice Marshall found that “England had treated the tribes as sovereign and negotiated treaties of alliance with them. The United States followed suit, thus continuing the practice of recognizing tribal sovereignty. When the United States assumed the role of protector of the tribes, it neither denied nor destroyed their sovereignty.”<19> As determined in the Supreme Court case United States v. Nice (1916),<20> U.S. citizens are subject to all U.S. laws even if also they have tribal citizenship.

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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:32 PM
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11. This is stupid
they act like that was pick purposely to associate with him with Bin Laden. What's more likely they they spent time debating the history Geronimo or the went with first thing they thought sounded kinda cool?

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:33 PM
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13. Am I the only Boomer who remembers we used to shout "Geronimo!" as kids jumping into
Edited on Wed May-04-11 02:33 PM by WinkyDink
the pool?

There was nothing invidious in its use for this mission; just a memory from, I'm betting, somebody's childhood. Like "Kowabunga!" and "Kimosabe."
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:33 PM
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14. Not nearly as bad as the code name for the operation that captured Saddam
That was 'Operation Red Dawn' with two targeted villages dubbed 'Wolverine 1' and 'Wolverine 2.'
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:43 PM
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18. I can remember as a child, Paratroopers practice d jumps
onto my Grandfathers field. As they successfully jumped they
yelled "Geronimo".
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:54 PM
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19. I'm (relatively) young and I remember yelling that while jumping off of the high dive as a kid
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:35 PM
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16. good
I was rather shocked and disappointed when I learned that the codename was Geronimo.
I took it to be a slap in the face of the Native Americans, and I'm glad that they too think of it that way.

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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:03 PM
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20. Indian word used because those outside U.S. do not understand
it's meaning. In World War II, one of the American Indian languages (Apache or Navajo) was used instead of using code in military communications as no one outside of the American Indians understood the meaning of the words. The language was not a code and could not be broken. IMHO,there is honor in the use of "Geronimo" as the code word for one of the most successful maneuvers against terrorists in American history.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:09 PM
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21. Well
apparently a number of Indians are not feeling that "honor."

Apology required. That's all. No need for justifications.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:59 PM
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22. Operation Rosa Parks would have been much better. nt
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