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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:58 PM
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Clooney: "I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama, quite honestly, I am."
George Clooney Drawn to Politics on Screen, Not in Real Life



By SHEILA MARIKAR
Oct. 7, 2011

George Clooney made a movie about how messed up the American electoral process could be. It doesn't fall far from how messed up he thinks American politics is.

"I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama, quite honestly, I am," he said on ABC News Now's "Popcorn with Peter Travers" before today's release of "The Ides of March."Democrats eat their own. Democrats find singular issues and go, 'Well, I didn't get everything I wanted.' I'm a firm believer in sticking by and sticking up for the people whom you've elected.

"If he was a Republican running, because Republicans are better at this," Clooney continued, "they'd be selling him as the guy who stopped 400,000 jobs a month from leaving the country. They'd be selling him as the guy who saved the auto-industry. If they had the beliefs, they'd be selling him as the guy who got rid of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' who got Osama bin Laden. You could be selling this as a very successful three years."


-snip-
"I'm angered at the polarization," he said. "Having growing up around television news, I'm angered at the way things are presented. I'm worried about the content. I'm worried about who's minding the store, and I'm worried about the idea that 24-hour news doesn't mean we get more news, it just means we have this repetitive cycle of things that aren't factually accurate."

"When I was growing up, you had three networks," he went on. "Whether you were a Republican or a Democrat, you took basically the same facts in and you digested them and you came up with your own opinions. Now we tend to go to the place that best represents what we believe in, Fox News if you're conservative, MSNBC if you're liberal, what have you. We're starting from such a polarized place in the aisle that we're unable to get together and talk about the things that are actually important."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/george-clooney-ides-march-barack-obama-republicans/story?id=14685674#.TpJYtlAoy2s.twitter


No Clooney thread should ever not include photos.



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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:03 PM
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1. He's exactly right.
More pictures please . . . there can never be too many of him.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:19 PM
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9. Ditto!
:thumbsup:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:43 AM
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156. Tritto!
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lovemydog Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:44 AM
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157. I share those feelings
Obama is the best President I've seen in my lifetime.

Republican obstructionists in Congress should be replaced by real Democrats.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #157
181. And a REAL Democratic President with them!!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #181
205. And not just a corporatist in Democrats clothing
I've lost count, how many "movers and shakers" from Wall Street are counted part of Obama's inner circle?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #205
217. How exactly does one get things done?
If they don't really 'get' it? I hope to GAWD every single one of them who has information we need is indeed in Obama's inner circle for fuck's sake! THAT is how business gets done!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:36 PM
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308. One would prefer that the foxes don't guard the henhouse, so to speak.
And I would prefer that Farmer Obama not listen to the foxes PR machine as to what great guardians they truly are.

Don't look now, but the henhouse is about to be foreclosed, and the hens thrown out into the street.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:45 PM
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343. There's plenty of people who have the information we need that did not come FROM
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:51 PM by cui bono
WALL STREET.

I cannot believe you actually defend that. Would love to have seen what you would have said if Bush brought the same guys into the WH.

Or maybe that is the business you like. Corporate business. Corporate loopholes, tax breaks, deregulation, bail outs paid for by the workers of this society. Yay!!!

Really scary what gets posted on a soc-called "democratic" board. Thank gawd for OWS. How do you feel about the OWS protests?



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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #181
384. Exactly! K&R
A Real Democratic POTUS not a Trojan Ass!
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #157
188. Democratic supply siders should be replaced by real Democrats
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #188
197. I'm with you, Mr. Deltroid.
Saving the auto industry -- and who is going to buy the autos, pray tell? And where will we get the oil to fuel them say 20 years from now when the poorest among us are buying them as used cars if they can?

George Clooney is a rich guy who does not understand what is going on here on Main Street. He could care less about Social Security and Medicare. He will never need them.

George Clooney is a fool. Sorry, but he is.

We need real Democrats in office -- not people who appoint the likes of Geithner and Holder.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #197
344.  And I wonder how many of those who defed those appointments also claim to support OWS
and do they get the hypocrisy?

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #188
263. heh
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=274412

Anyone surprised by this, let me know. I gotta bridge to sell you. Cheap. :)
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
168. Yes he is. My respect for him just ticked up yet again.
Any higher, and my respect for him is going to start suffering from altitude sickness.
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Phaedrus76 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #1
226. Oh yeah?
I am disillusioned with Geo. Clooney now. Snark.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:28 PM
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
270. So you oppose the OWS? There are two sides and apparently you have chosen. nm
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:33 PM
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277. Some of the responses that your simple "he's exactly right" elicited
truly signify SO MUCH of what is wrong with this web site and with the political discourse as a whole in this country.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
298. I hate to say it but...that first picture of hin posted by the OP
looks a lot like Mitt Romney. That's a bummer!
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:03 PM
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2. struth
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:03 PM
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3. As am I. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:06 PM
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4. CLOONEY 2012!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 10:06 PM by gateley
:evilgrin:

Just kidding.

Excellent, thanks.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:46 AM
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124. Glad you said "just kidding". He'd sell out too I guess.
Sorry if we disillusion you, George. I'm kinda fond of my ideals and standards. You think people are out there at OWS because Obama is making things better? I don't see no prosecutions.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #124
196. Specifically what laws that were on the books...
at the time were broken? None! I know I was part of a group coming up with clever ways to get people loans that would not break the law but in reality hurt the economy...I feel bad about it but did not break a law...today because of Dodd Frank I would have broken laws.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #196
362. I saw examples of intentional misrepresentation and concealment that
were pretty bad. Intentional Misrepresentation and Concealment are torts under California law -- classified as fraud. I hope you did not do those things. In some cases, fraud is found to be criminal. Depends.

Even if there is not a specific law or rule against a specific behavior, the definition of fraud can include that behavior. Just depends like everything else in the law.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:08 PM
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5. Nailed it! If you asked me, I'd say the FCC needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:10 PM
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6. love that guy
:loveya:
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:11 PM
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7. he is so right....
dems eat their own because they don't get everything they want by yesterday...what a sorry political party I am a member of...we are going to fucking lose this election in 2012....we should be bragging about O's accomplishments instead we act like they mever happened.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:16 PM
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8. Yeah, what a sorry party (chomp chomp) bunch of losers gonna cost us 2012 (chomp chomp)
Hey, could you pass the Grey Poupon? :evilgrin:
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #8
78. You don't represent enough votes to cost us 2012. Overblown is the word that comes to mind.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #78
141. Obama doesn't need our votes? Really?
Then I guess we should just disengage. Sorry if we have an opinion that differs from you and George Clooney. I have one foot out the door as it is.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #141
147. Are you a collective?
Speak for yourself
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #147
162. Are you a collective?
Speak for yourself
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #162
167. Never claimed to speak for anyone but myself
but nice try.
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TiberiusB Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #147
179. collectively speaking...
The use of "our" and "we" in this case would be in reference to the "people" (not "person") disenchanted with Obama over such minor issues as civil rights (Habeus Corpus, indefinite detention, military tribunals, assassination by executive decree...), the rule of law (Bush, Bankers...), whistle blowers, Middle East policy (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen...), the environment (Keystone Pipeline, suspension of new emissions standards...) and other minor issues important only to the pony-craving few who think we should adhere to principles over politicians.

He might actually represent the legitimate grievances of a significant number of liberals, a collective, if you will, that deserve respect and consideration, and not juvenile dismissals.

Just a thought.

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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #179
183. He's representing the combination of single issue gripes?
You don't see the folly in that line of thinking?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #183
199. Hint: a person with a long list of different issues
is the exact opposite of a single-issue voter.

A person who is happy about his one issue, which overrides all the unaddressed issues, is the single issue voter.

Just for clarification, in case you've been getting your definitions from Fox News.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #199
218. Thanks for the hint
Would be useful if we was talking about one person with issues. Instead, we're talking about one person pretending to speak for more than himself.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #218
227. He WAS speaking for more than himself.
He was speaking for ME, too.

And for millions of others who think the Democratic Party should be a party of principles, not personality.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #227
232. That's why I say pretending
When you start using imaginary numbers, acting like they feel the same way you do.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #232
293. I agree with TiberiusB!
and think you need to reassess some things about real and imaginary...

there are millions of us.

:)

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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #293
303. LOL! And they're all on DU...
:rofl:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #303
317. Funny. No one I know personally is on DU.
And we all are fed up with our president.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #317
357. Ah well...
Not my friends
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #179
288. Thank you! and welcome to DU!
you've spoken well and true.

Hope you hang around...

as for me, i am just one of the 99%

:0

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #179
309. Oh, dear...
You forgot to mention that we "pony-craving few" expect lovely rainbows to come flying out of our ponies' asses. (Geez, I hope nobody trots out Teh Hallowed List...)
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #309
319. I thought it was glitter sposed to come out of said ass.
Gee. No wonder I'm not satisfied.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #179
349. Welcome to DU!!! Well said!
:applause:

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #141
252. We've been told over and over that our votes aren't needed
but called names if we don't give them. Magical Realism.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #141
285. Just as I thought
this is about YOU.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:20 PM
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
321. Yea, your'e right, dems don't get everything they want.
On the other hand, it seems rethuglicans always get everything they want. Wonder what the differences are between dems and rethugs? Oh, I know; we got us a rethuglican president.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
348. Then leave the party. If that's your attitude then you clearly don't care about the platform. n/t
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:21 PM
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10. Oh, yeah?


Well, I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama.

So there.




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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #10
101. That's what I was going to say!
I agree with him on the media but he's dead wrong about the disillusionment.

So we're just supposed to rally behind the president and party that are simply killing this country slower than the alternative?

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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #101
177. Not really any slower.
They are killing the environment, the economy, the citizenry and the political process right on schedule.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #177
312. AND,
they're counting on the sycophants and sock puppets to carry their water, even as they help subvert our political process--all for the almighty dollar...
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #101
198. huh?
he is saying get Obama a true progressice congress so that he does not have to deal with the snakes in the repub party...people here are brain dead.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #198
351. Yeah, like people who can't follow a discussion thread.
:eyes:

You should've stuck with just the "huh?". That pretty much sums it up.



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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #10
115. lol, right on...
disillusionment with our disillusioned views/opinion will get the "party" nowhere - just another brick in the wall of STFU and get in line as far as I'm concerned.. just a nicer way of saying it.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:57 AM
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131. Hahaha!
Me too. It's them more than anything that squelches my hope.

Why do they think OWS is happening now?
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:22 AM
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148. +1
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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:28 PM
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11. George Clooney is dead-on.
There is absolutely no reason at all the Democratic Party should not be dominating American politics. If you look at the issues, the American people are much more liberal than they give themselves credit for. Yet, for some reason, American citizens continually vote Republican and conservative. Why is this?

Two reasons: Democratic incompetence and the failure of the news media to present factual information.

The Democratic Party has always been terrible at communication, at least post-JFK. Part of this should be blamed on President Obama nowadays, but the bigger problem is that it's impossible to get a good message out when we are so busy shooting down our own leaders. President Obama has not been perfect, but he's been damn good and is the best president we've had in decades. We can easily sell his record to the American people and 2012 would be a cake walk. Instead, too many of us focus on one or two issues where Obama has fallen short and yell "PRIMARY!!! PRIMARY!!!" Instead of working to educate voters and get people mobilized to vote, we discourage others from voting by making the president look weak. If we keep it up, 2012 will not be pretty. Constructive, valid criticism is good. It keeps the president honest. But, overreacting to everything does nothing productive.

This is all made worse because the news media is absolute shit today. Cable news should be one of the best things to happen to democracy. It should allow for more information and more useful analysis and commentary to reach the masses. Instead, it's been harmful to democracy. Because of the 24/7 news cycle, we get constantly bombarded with hyperbolic overreactions to meaningless stories that mean nothing in the long run. What actually matters is pushed to the back so that the sexy, exciting stories can take the main stage and distract us from what's really going on.

If we want to fix democracy, we need to re-elect President Obama and give him a liberal Congress so he can actually do something and then do something about our awful media.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:06 PM
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329. +1
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:12 PM
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381. I wish I could recommended this post a MILLION times!!
:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:35 PM
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12. Its not exactly like Clooney has to worry about paying a mortgage,
becoming sick, living pay check to pay check, having his job shipped overseas again and again and re-training for a new job every time it is shipped overseas. See, most of us cannot afford a "New Democratic" way. There is a reason people are Occupying their cities and towns. We want this President to be awesome. We want him to swing the pendulum so that all Americans have a shot... When people are begging for the basics like a roof over their heads and food in their bellies, we aren't talking about silver clouds and rainbow ponies, we are talking about survival.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:38 PM
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13. Neither did FDR. or JFK...and still some folks, no matter how much money they have,
they still care about those that don't.

Well, that's what they told me here at DU!
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:46 PM
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15. Yep.
Clooney's sitting in some chateau wondering what all the peons are on about. He's just another one-percenter who doesn't have a clue.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. He understands what's going on in Darfur far better than we do.
WE'RE the ones who don't have a clue about that, but he was so bothered by it he went and came back and tried to get help.

If you were being sarcastic, sorry I didn't get it (and I hope you were).

If not...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. He paid for satellites to monitor what was happening in the Sudan. He really put his mind, heart &
wallet into it. He pushed far beyond what celebrities usually do.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. People shouldn't dismiss him just because he's employed
and filthy rich. :7 I wish more people of "regular" means had his compassion.

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TiberiusB Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #24
171. not quite
Uhhh, no. He didn't pay for any satellites. The Satellite Sentinel Project he helped found does data analysis, which includes the use of satellite imagery taken from existing orbital systems. Seriously, how much money do you think he has?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #18
164. maybe he should try going to Michigan or Ohio
Understanding Darfur is not the same as understanding American poverty and fear of poverty.

Clooney sounds like another rich Hollywood type who is happy that Obama extended the Bush tax cuts for him. Just like Tom "Obama has exceeded my expectations" Hanks. Clooney probably saved more money with the two years extension of the Bush tax cuts than I will make in my whole life.

Plus, unlike 299,995,000 other Americans, Clooney gets to meet personally with the President.

Pretty rich boy is not part of the bottom 80%, not even part of the bottom 99%. I wanted a President who would fight for the bottom 80%. Obama hasn't. Clooney doesn't care that Obama doesn't fight for people like me, but I do.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #164
176. If hating the rich
becomes a Democratic party value, count me out. I come from a plenty wealthy family and every single one of them not only votes Dem but gets involved in their communities and raises socially conscious kids. This hating the rich thing is getting really fucking old on here.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #176
221. A person can be rich and have scruples...
Try it sometime.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #221
246. Thanks for the validation
of what I was talking about. Another stupid, dickish comment from the "all rich people suck" chorus. I'm sure those who agree with you appreciate your moronic attitude.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #176
269. it was the rich boy who brought the hate
Clooney is "disillusioned" with people like me, looking down his powdered nose at me for not being all happy with Obama as Obama throws the bottom 80% under the bus.

I don't think it is at all unfair to point out that Clooney is not part of this bottom 80% and thus does not have skin in the game when we get thrown under the bus. Even though we got thrown under the bus we are still supposed to cheer and be gung ho about re-electing Obama because, after all, he got Bin Laden. Clooney's credentials on Darfur do not prove he knows squat about the bottom 80%.

I'm pissed off because the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy did not get reversed. Clooney, as he counts the pile of money that he saved, is probably a lot less upset about that than I am.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #269
338. There are plenty of poor, lower middle class and middle class people who feel just like Clooney does
Are they all sellouts?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #338
358. some might be
some might see $$$ at the idea of FICA tax cuts, and not be aware that most of the FICA tax cuts are going to the top 20% http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/160. Some might think that Obama is proposing higher taxes on the rich, which he kinda is, but also kinda isn't.

Ultimately, I am going to feel that those people are not very well informed. They've been thrown under the bus and don't even know it.

Is that a bad thing to think?

Well, there were "plenty of poor, lower middle class and middle class people" who were strong supporters of Bush. Didn't we think that those people were not very well informed?
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #358
400. So, the "poor, lower middle class and middle class people" who don't hate Obama are ignorant?
How condescending of you.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #400
405. What is condescending?
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 10:52 PM by hfojvt
1. People are getting screwed by politicians who don't represent them
2. People are getting lied to by a media that does not tell them the truth
3. People are getting lied to by corporated funded ads.

therefore

4. some people get duped into supporting the politicians who are screwing them.


If I can see all of that, what am I supposed to believe about those who don't see it? Do you expect me to believe that I am the one who is wrong?

It's always possible that I am wrong, but you do not even come close to proving that I am wrong just by saying "some poor people support Obama".

So what? Some poor people supported Bush too.

Of course, I do not prove that I am right just by saying that "Obama does not represent the bottom 80%", but I have made that case over and over and over again.

1. Because of the pathetic way he fought the budget battle http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/165
2. because his "jobs plan" mostly consists of tax cuts for the rich http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/160
3. because "Obama's plan, which he wouldn't even fight for, gave most of its benefits to the top." http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/147
4. because he froze worker salaries but then didn't fight to make the rich also sacrifice, and then he lied about it too http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/138

5. because until his December surrender and subsequent fecklessness, I actually tried to defend the putz http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/131
6. and because I still don't think every attack on him is fair http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/163
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 04:25 AM
Response to Reply #269
365. EVERYBODY has skin in this game
It's our country we're talking about. I'm not suffering either - does that make me the enemy? Why should anyone get attacked for still supporting the President? Should I attack you for thinking there is no difference between the two parties when that attitude brought us bush?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #365
398. When did I say there was no difference between the two parties?
There is a difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, but far far less difference between the DLC and the moderate Republican Party, between where Obama is taking the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

That's why I think that people are wrong to support the President, because the President seems to be pretty clearly on the wrong side.

Plus, I might point out that Clooney did not "support the President" as much as he "attacked" others for not supporting the President.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #269
380. Makes no sense that you are so pissed off about the
tax cuts staying for the rich - when you'd have higher taxes yourself had they not been. The middle class had tax cuts too.

Furthermore, Congress was involved.

Just makes no sense to be that full of hatred for any politician that you'd rather be shot in the foot than admit they did the best they could with what they had.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #380
397. Why does that make no sense?
Isn't it possible that "the good of the country" is more important to me than a mere $300? I was prepared to roll over my tax refunds for the entire Obama administration, hopefully 8 years.

After he punted, I withdrew my support.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #176
316. I could not agree more!! Well said! nt.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #176
337. +1
As I said in another post, contrary to the Republican mantra, demanding that the rich give their fair share is NOT class warfare.

But hating the rich just because they're rich IS.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #176
386. That's not the point
some of the greatest DEMOCRATIC presidents -- FDR, JFK -- were rich. The point now is why should people care what some rich clueless actor says? Sure he knows about Darfur, but does he know what's going on right here in the USA? Is he hurting, jobless, homeless or threatened with any of these conditions? He doesn't get it...

And to think I was going to see his movie. Think I'll pass and save my money
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
187. You didn't get the memo?
All rich people suck. We have to hate them all. Doesn't matter how much they give, how they bring attention to some cause. They suck. And, when they're famous rich people, they only do all that good stuff to make people like them more. Screw the fact that they're able to get the message out to a lot more people than either of us can.

Except Lady Gaga, 'cause she's different, or sumthin.





I will NOT use the :sarcasm: thingy!!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #187
203. Hey! Michael Moore is very rich. So are some of the people I love the most in the world.
Stop exaggerating. The problem isn't that Clooney is rich. The problem is that he does not appreciate how really bad things are for ordinary Americans. He doesn't understand how Obama's advisers have mislead him. That's the problem.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:17 PM
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202. Without real change, we will end up like Darfur.
And Obama is not even talking about real change. He isn't even trying to sell it. I don't think he understands what it is any more.

Geithner and Holder are his number one and number two problems. Until he rids himself of their influence and replaces them with creative problem-solvers, he will not be able to approach the problems of our nation, much less solve them.

Obama has surrounded himself with a bunch of losers -- and the losing has rubbed off.

This is the time for progressive, new ideas.

Obama's strength is foreign policy. That happens to be Clooney's passion. Naturally Clooney likes Obama. Other than the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, a lot of Obama's foreign policy is extremely enlightened. That should come as no surprise since Obama majored in international affairs in college (at least that is my understanding).

But Obama's civil rights and economic policies stink. And I suspect those are the areas in which he has the least experience and knowledge. Those are the areas in which he most relies on others for advice, and unfortunately, the people he relies on -- all of them -- are pretty much bought and sold by certain very parochial special business interests in the country.

So, I understand where Clooney is coming from. But he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to domestic policies. Saving 400,000 jobs when you have the kind of unemployment we have had over recent years is just meaningless.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #202
387. "Geithner and Holder are
his number one and number two problems. Until he rids himself of their influence and replaces them with creative problem-solvers, he will not be able to approach the problems of our nation, much less solve them."

NO!

Obama CHOSE them just as he has consistently chosen people like Rahm, Bill Daley, Arne Duncan, Jeffrey Inmelt....

Obama IS the problem. He is choosing these because their policies, beliefs, etc. are his as well
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
35. Clooney may have money, but he comes from poor immigrant Irish stock
that landed in that land of wealth known as Kentucky.

I happen to have met his dad, Nick, several years ago and he is a class act and a true Dem. Rosemary was good folks, too, for that matter (met her 3 times and one of my best friends considered her a second mom). He comes from a family of good human beings.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:17 AM
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65. I've met both of them
At the age of 13, due to family issues I moved into Campbell Lodge in Cold Springs, Kentucky, a private home for boys that had crappy families like mine. Nick Clooney, Georges' father, was one of our largest benefactors. This was a privately funded home at the time and received no federal or state aid. At any given time there were 28 - 30 of us living there and we were supported only by people like Mr. Clooney and others.

There were times we would hold fund raisers and Mr. Clooney would sometimes bring George along. While he is younger than I am, he was just another kid to those of us who lived at the Lodge. I remember he liked to pretend to be a broadcaster like his dad and we would really laugh at the funny voices he used to act grown up. I'm happy to see his success and I'm happy he uses that success to help places like Darfur, and all the other charitable work he does quietly.

I didn't have the pleasure of meeting Rosemary Clooney but Nick Clooney still can be seen on TV in the Cincinnati area as well as other places around the country. He is a proponent of PBS and makes appearances on their fundraising shows. I have a picture somewhere of my daughter with Mr. Clooney when we went back to participate in a fund raising event but I can't seem to find it however as soon as I do I'll post it here.

You're correct he does come from a good family that cares about those less fortunate than themselves and that caring seems to have been instilled in him at an early age.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #35
137. I don't begrudge him his success.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 11:07 AM by tblue
I begrudge him putting down people who have an opinion different from his. Not kosher. Can I guilt you into liking Republicans? Then don't expect you can shame people into not being disillusioned with whatever disillusions them.
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #15
159. That's just ignorant
You're missing the entire point of OWS and are the stereotype Fox and CNN are looking for... bashing EVERYONE who is successful. It's the same as right-wingers claiming everyone getting public assistance is a welfare queen.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
219. Fuck that noise...
Clearly he understands what's going on... and clearly you have no clue what he has been talking about in this article or the hundreds of others wherein he's been speaking out FOR the 99%.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. Yeah, and it's not as though he exactly had to go to Darfur to bring
attention to the suffering there.

Just because he has a lot of money and is successful does not mean he has no compassion, nor that he doesn't care.

I think he does.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:34 AM
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #12
61. Exactly correct.
These threads of adulation for those of the 1% are quite strange.
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PragmaticLiberal Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #61
83. They aren't strange at all....
Unless you assume that everyone in the top 1% is greedy and heartless.


Personally, I don't believe that.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #61
97. If I win the lottery tomorrow do I automatically become your enemy? n/t
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #97
120. +1
I concur with this question.

As Frenchie Cat posted, JFK and FDR were people of wealth, and they worked for the middle class. I find myself uncomfortable with this idea that all of the wealthy are the enemy. They are not. Clooney is a man who has used the opportunities he has for good.


There are a lot of people out there like that. Money does not always equal evil. It's what people do with the wealth they have that matters. ALSO: It's how some politicians become wealthy and on whose shoulders they sit upon to get there that matters.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #12
133. IOW, Clooney's in the 1%,
which is served very well by this potus.

I really thought George Clooney was better than that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
352. You are right about that but Clooney has always given back alot to help out others
He was in the news trying to get the word out about Darfur before the media showed any interest. He's also been active in many other causes including spearheading the 9/11 fundraisers.

I know it's annoying when entertainers think they know how to fix the world but George Clooney is more than just a mouthpiece - he puts actions behind those words. This is why I have alot of respect for people like him and Sean Penn and Brad Pitt. Words mean nothing unless you do something - these 3 guys do it!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
378. The trouble with that one is
That you'd have to let go of any actors who dislike Obama from the left. We could say the same of them.

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #12
382. It's this mindset that really pisses me off. So, the fact that he's a star
and makes good money means that he shouldn't care? It means that he shouldn't have an opinion and express it?

That's very wing-nuttery of you!!! Only wingnuts get to say who belongs and who has an opinion that is acceptable. I don't expect this dribble from fellow Democrats!
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:43 PM
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14. Rec for pics, and common sense!
Thanks George.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:48 PM
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16. He nailed it. I'm with you George!
So, so true...
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:51 PM
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19. He is right but...
the game is rigged folks...and he has yet to see just how that works.
It is good cop bad cop kind of thing and what that means is that both cops work for the same guy.
But one makes you feel like a friend because he tells you what you want to hear....and shows concern for you. but on the big things you always loose.
It's the system that is corrupt, and changing presidents or keeping the same one will not chang anything important. And until meaningful election reform is made nothing major will change.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. So what are you saying for 2012? That it doesn't matter who wins?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:41 PM
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32. Not for the big things.
They will do away with social programs one way or the other no matter who wins....and the wars will continue because no one has the power to tell them to stop.
And this is the way it will be until we take back the political system from those that now own it...from the bottom up.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:41 AM
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:00 AM
Original message
"Not for the big things" Oh, yeah, like the Supreme Court. No difference.
Shame on you.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:33 AM
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118. Well believe me if they want to they can stop a nomination
Surley you must know that...even if the house is democratic and the democrats have a majority in the senate they can stop it by one senator objecting.
And the media is powerful enough to destroy anyone they want if they don't want to play ball.
So don't think that Obama can nominate someone they don't approve of in advance because he can't...and they don't care at all if there are liberals on the bench as long as they have 5 they can count on....the 4 liberals just give it the air of fairness.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:18 PM
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:43 AM
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103. Exactly. One is slowly poisoning you every day while the other would have you die instantly.
Same result. You just don't notice it as much.

The system is rigged. When we happen to elect someone who may actually change it they are "disappeared" one way or another.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:16 AM
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145. I never believed it
until now. No one wants to believe it. It's just too horrible and unthinkable. I really believed it wasn't true but now there's so much evidence. I never once used to think of leaving the party. I really don't want to have to.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:52 PM
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20. This is key:
"If he was a Republican running, because Republicans are better at this," Clooney continued, "they'd be selling him as the guy who stopped 400,000 jobs a month from leaving the country. They'd be selling him as the guy who saved the auto-industry. If they had the beliefs, they'd be selling him as the guy who got rid of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' who got Osama bin Laden. You could be selling this as a very successful three years."



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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:59 AM
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92. Unfortunately, we have the 'not good enough' crew
Downplaying every accomplishment they can think of.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:56 PM
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21. That last part quoted is exactly what I've been saying lately
"When I was growing up, you had three networks," he went on. "Whether you were a Republican or a Democrat, you took basically the same facts in and you digested them and you came up with your own opinions. Now we tend to go to the place that best represents what we believe in, Fox News if you're conservative, MSNBC if you're liberal, what have you. We're starting from such a polarized place in the aisle that we're unable to get together and talk about the things that are actually important."


It's so true. The reason I've stopped watching cable television news--no, I won't call it news, because it mostly isn't--is because it is such an echo chamber. We all gravitate to what we want to hear on both ends of the spectrum, and this creates an absolutely unbridgeable chasm. We are entrenched in our own ideas because they are reified every day ad nauseam. We have all become myopic, and all convinced we are right. There is simply no national dialogue, and no reason for politicians to respond to national issues. They rather retreat to their corners to cater to the Fox News or MSNBC audiences. I realize there was never anything like the pure, unvarnished facts on television, but at least we were all subject to the same basic version of the news--without all the yakkety yak analysis, for the most part--and could supplement it with our own outside resources (magazines or newspapers either left- or right-leaning). Cable news has been a big instigator of the polarization of America and the concomitant polarization of Congress. It's gridlock.

I thought I couldn't say this out loud for fear of being called an old fart. But if George Clooney can be an old fart, I'm happy come out alongside him.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:57 PM
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22. Clooney just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, he's not part of or with the 99% . F him!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:10 PM
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27. Standing with Pres. Obama means you can't be one of the 99%?
He supports the guy who wants raise taxes on the rich and enforce regulations on Wall Street....That Bastard!
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:41 PM
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31. I'm part of the 99%
And I support President Obama. And I agree with George Clooney - this president has worked quietly and efficiently on many issues. Does no one take into account that congress and the tea party has basically come out and admitted they refuse to work with this president toward the common good for this country?
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:55 AM
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46. you don't really speak for anyone but yourself. don't wrap yourself in the flag of the 99%
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:21 AM
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60. And neither do you
or anyone else who expresses an opinion on a message board.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:30 AM
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73. I didn't claim to speak for millions, only myself.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:51 PM
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281. There are many layers of irony in your reply


But I will simply point out that if making an illogical syllogism was enough to "F" Mr. Cooney, then there would be a very long line of volunteers that would love to perform the penalty that you have sentenced him to - unless you were actually volunteering for the task yourself.

Hard to tell actually.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:18 PM
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291. Yes, I caught that myself, but didn't catch it till after posting.
And not being generally of that frame of mind with that word, I decided to let it ride. To me, F is a curse and not reflective sexually of what I would think most volunteers would be hoping for. Perhaps I'm wrong in generalizing, but for me it wouldn't be what I'd want. I'd want sex, but not f'ing. F'ing is full of hostility and an attempt to humiliate, whereas sex is two people agreeing to enjoy each other. My distinction, not everyone's I'm sure.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:59 PM
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23. I agree about the photos, yet
as far as being handsome - we have a real match on our hands.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:07 PM
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26. Me too, George. KnR! n/t
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:31 PM
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29. "You could be selling this as a very successful three years."
You would think so, huh? But apparently that would take far too many brains and way too much insight, practicality and fortitude. Why would people promote the 1938 things that have been done well when they can focus on the 41 things that weren't?

Welcome to the club, Cloony. :fistbump:

Also, Pirate Smile I didn't know you were a woman! Thanks for the gorgeous pics. :)
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:44 PM
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34. It may have been successful for HIM, but not for those of us
who struggle every day just to survive. Forty-four thousand fucking people showing up for three thousand $8.25 an hour jobs.

Fuckin' A, this guy rocks! :banghead:

zalinda
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:52 PM
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37. I agree!
Fuckin' A, this guy rocks!

Yes he does! :hi:

If the idea of stopping the hemorrhaging of jobs this country was doing gets you this agitated, the I really don't know what to tell you. Things are bad but they are BETTER than they were before. Better is ALWAYS preferable to worse. If that upsets you, then there's nothing anyone can say to you.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:45 AM
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55. Well, I'm glad he's doing good for you
The rest of us, not so much. He is one of the worst Presidents in my lifetime. And, I don't think he gives a shit. Right out of the gate he said he wouldn't mind being a one term President. He'll probably get his wish, if they run a sane Republican against him.

zalinda
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:00 PM
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262. Like I said, someone with your mindset is not someone that you can really communicate with
I have been out of work under Clinton, Bush and for a short time under Obama. It never occurred to me ONCE to blame any of them for my situation.

My white hot rage was focused much more fixedly on the companies that had laid me off or wouldn't hire me. I don't know what you would have the man do more of. If the stimulus, saving the auto industry, expanding health care significantly and his current jobs bill deem him "the worst president in your lifetime" then again, I really don't think that you are someone that can be communicated with. I don't know what you think could be realistically, and truly the emphasis is on REALISTICALLY, done differently particularly with this Congress.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:29 PM
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296. He could have started with better advisers
Not one of the advisers that HE HIRED have ever wondered, what would be good for the 99 percent. Their only concern has been for the 1 percent, what's best for them. It has absolutely nothing to do with Congress. The President sets the agenda and tone of his administration, not Congress.

In the beginning, the repubs were on the ropes, and lots of things could have been gotten through, if the cards had been played correctly. But, Obama wanted to look like he was this great peace maker, and failed miserably. And to be quite honest, I have never heard one person on the street say that they wished the Congress and Senate would stop fighting with each other. What I have heard though, is that they should work together, to GET SOME THING DONE.

George Clooney hasn't a clue what it's like to live in the real world TODAY. Maybe he's still thinking Main Street is just like it was when he was growing up. Maybe he should read "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America" by Barbara Ehrenreich, maybe then he would get a clue.

zalinda
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:44 PM
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299. What difference do his advisors make?
This is the rallying cry of someone simply looking for something to complain about.

I gave you a list of things he has DONE, not doing, DONE to try to improve the lot of the working class and you come back complaining that he should have "better advisers." That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Do you think it was his advisers that encouraged him to save the auto industry? Or do you think the president made that decision all on his own? And really the most important question of all is -- what the hell difference does it make? The policy has been created and implemented.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:11 AM
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359. Okay, fine, you win!
I will slink back into my life trying to survive on $711 a month, with my son not being able to find a job for almost 3 years now and wonder when I will be tossed out into the street. We are fast running out of things to sell, and people are running out of money to buy stuff anyway. I'll remember to keep the 2 man tent, and try to find the sleeping bags that we used 15 years ago.

It apparently doesn't matter to his 'supporters' that he is championing 3 free trade agreements. It apparently doesn't matter that the banks got huge bail-outs, without any strings attached, and those who tried to refinance their homes had to jump through so many hoops, that most could not qualify. Apparently it is quite okay that people are dying out here, but as long as his supporters are happy, well yahoo. I could go on and on with what he has done that didn't help the 99ers, but that wouldn't matter to those who have put the man above the office.

Damn, us poor people, we just fucking complain too much.

zalinda
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 03:19 AM
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364. I have asked you repeatedly what it is that you think the man could have done differently
You have not answered ONCE. Instead, it is obvious that you would much rather blame him for every single rotten thing going on in your own life as well as everyone else's.

It must be very upsetting to realize that not every one thinks like you do.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:45 AM
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80. Obama is not an Economic Dictator.
He can push policies aimed at helping the Economy,
but no one man is powerful enough to control something as massive and complex as our Economy.

It took year to dig the hole. it will take years to crawl back out.

If you didn't know that, you weren't really paying attention.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:26 AM
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98. No, and he's not a smart one either.
You only have to look at his advisers to know where his allegiance lies.

zalinda
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:45 PM
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388. Touche, zalinda
the minute Obama chose Geithner and Summers right after the election, I knew that "change we can believe in" was BULLSHIT.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:33 PM
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208. He can push policies aimed at helping the economy?
Like appointing record setting job outsourcer Jeffrey Immelt to job Czar?

What else is Obama "pushing"? Oh yeah, three new free trade deals.

I want a reason to support Obama. I'm not seeing it.
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:56 AM
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129. If no one showed up for those jobs, they would raise wages.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:49 AM
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107. You could also be selling this as the time Wall Street settled into the WH.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:50 AM by cui bono
And that would be the truth.

When Bush did shit like that we didn't hear the end of it. But it's perfectly fine if a Dem does it. Go team!

:puke:

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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:39 PM
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30. Clooney is exactly right...
By George, I KNOW he's got it!!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:43 PM
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33. I adore that man.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:48 PM
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36. This guy, man. This guy.
Completely in agreement. It's asinine.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:52 PM
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38. I wonder if Clooney has been to Zuchotti Park. n/t
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:51 AM
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43. If it was on the menu, he ordered it.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:55 PM
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39. Maybe the disillusioned don't make $15,000,000 a movie
Just sayin
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:39 AM
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154. Exactly..................
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:08 PM
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271. +1
For Clooney he was the social liberal, moderate conservative he was hoping for. For the rest of us he's just maintaining the economic status quo. I'm not a conservative thus I don't act like one. The failures of the president on liberal policies I do hold him accountable for. If I wanted to just follow the leader, I'd vote for the GOP.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:53 PM
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315. +1 to you nt.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:40 AM
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40. Is this where we are now? Posting love notes from an actor?
George Clooney loves the guy, and can't understand the problem? He lives a life where he is puzzled that his BLT has no mayo at times.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:53 AM
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58. He's intelligent and reasonable.
Doesn't go over well for a certain group of people who dislike Obama's efforts.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:59 AM
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165. But Matt Damon is a different story, right?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
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193. +1000000
:rofl:
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Mattylock Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #40
209. There was no issue
when everyone was eating up Matt Damon's criticism of the President. What's the problem now?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:07 PM
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265. Exactly. Gotta love the desperation and hypocricy
It wouldn't matter to me if George Clooney or any other Democrat had said what he said. His comments are the truth and this thread (as well as countless others and half a dozen web sites) prove that.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:52 PM
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314. nicely said.
:D

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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:41 AM
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41. He's right
and you need look no further than this very site you are on right now. DU has become a perfect example of "Democrats eating their own".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:56 AM
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:57 AM
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163. A movie star is disillusioned by struggling people who are upset.
I'm so sorry, George, that we don't meet your approval.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:49 AM
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42. George you have a job, a future, your retirement is secure and you have no kids to worry about.
I am sure he is the perfect President for you. Not so much for a lot of us.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:15 AM
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59. Agreed n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:09 AM
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68. +1
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:03 AM
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94. If you're pissed at PBO because of those conditions, your anger is
misplaced.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
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195. +10000
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:54 AM
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44. Those who have given up so easily didn't realize how hard this struggle would be.
They wanted Obama to be able to do everything for them, and fast.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:49 PM
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259. like the two "liberal" SCJ's that stated that the mere stench of marijuana amounted to probable..
cause to kick my door in? you want me to get excited and cast my vote for that?! is that really your unbelievably idiotic opinion?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:52 PM
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323. Oh, so now you are even saying the Supreme Court doesn't matter.
Good Lawd, you guys need to calm down and think about the crap you are pushing - it is fine if Republicans take over, Supreme Court isn't even a valid reason to make sure Obama wins. :eyes: Sure, we can get more wonderful decisions like Citizens United. You lose one liberal vote and get it replaced by another Alito and the changes will be massive. But, hey, who cares, Obama sucks!
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 04:30 AM
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367. They stopped thinking long ago
This entire thread is an embarassment.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:34 AM
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370. why would i give a shit about obama's nominees if they side with the conservatives ffs?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 04:28 AM
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366. If you were a woman
you wouldn't be so cavalier with your opinion on the supreme court. I'm done with trying to reason with the stupid.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:35 AM
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371. the abortion issue is not going away..
it brings in a lot of jack for both sides. as soon as the repubs outlaw abortion, idiot rubes will no longer have a reason to vote for republicans.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 03:34 PM
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377. The opposite is true. Many Dems always knew who the enemies were - the prez didn't...
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 03:36 PM by polichick
Instead of fighting those enemies, he placated them and let them dictate the agenda.

(Nobody has given up - you've made that up as an excuse for your ridiculous attacks.)
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:54 AM
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45. I know this is off topic, but
man, does he look good.
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Indepatriot Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:03 AM
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47. Clooney; I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned with Obama
Clooney is right on the money! a quick story regarding him. A life-long friend works at a big casino/hotel in Vegas, and as Bell Captain he sees to the needs of many "Vip"s. Once while driving Clooney to the airport, George asked him if he knew of a good sandwich shop where he cold get some food for himself and his traveling companions. My friend took them there and one of Clooneys guys went in to get the food. Some folks spotted Clooney, and soon there was a bunch of fans surrounding the Tahoe, and Clooney was chatting them up and signing autographs. When the guy with the food returned my friend started to tell the fans to step back so they could roll out and Clooney stopped him, saying, "It's OK, we've got plenty of time (even though they didn't) They stayed until everyone who wanted an autograph/photo/hug got what they wanted, then left for the airport. When my friend speculated they'd miss their flight (the did) Clooney told him "I'm the luckiest guy in the world, and these folks are the reason. Without them and their support I'd be nothing, They work their asses off just to get by, but somehow find the time and money to go see my movies, so It's an honor to hang out with them and give a little something back" TOTAL CLASS... oh, and my friend said he's a monster tipper, and always now requests my friend take care of him when he's in town. I'm most definitely a 99% and I stand with Clooney and President Obama, despite the fact that my pony has yet to arrive. YES WE CAN!
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:31 PM
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207. Great story!
and useful added context. Thanks! :thumbsup:
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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 08:14 PM
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395. I've met Clooney several times, couldn't be a nicer person...
The guy is EXTREMELY friendly. Also, you have to understand that he spends most of his time in Europe. Mostly Italy. So he isn't constantly harassed on the streets. I got the impression he really enjoyed sucking up the attention.

Trust me, there are MANY celebrities out there who constantly act annoyed by "regular" people.

On a side note, Ben Affleck is just as friendly in a different sort of way. He's just a regular guy. Matt Damon is warm and charming. Sean Penn has a good heart but he tries too hard to be an asshole. Brad Pitt is a child (at heart) in the best possible way. Angelina Jolie is a genius and just as beautiful in person. Mark Wahlberg doesn't need to try to be an asshole, he is one. But you can't argue with his success.

Haha, I'll stop there.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:22 AM
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48. George Clooney is a legend
And a true progressive. My profound respect and admiration for him grows by the day. And he gets it.

:yourock: George
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:56 AM
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50. I agree with George Clooney and I'm disillusioned by the nasty shit that's posted here
Some people just radiate seething hate
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:01 AM
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53. Thank You.
I love this place. Sometimes people should keep all that hatred from reaching the keyboard. We all have the right to our opinion, and I celebrate that. But everyone also has the duty to decide if it is going to uplift or just put off.
And yeah, the pictures of those two together really make me smile!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:49 AM
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56. I've never seen DU more toxic than after Obama got elected, it's really been an eye opening...
...experience for me. There is just so much to it that I cannot comprehend how it continues. I just can't wait until the Republican nomination is in the bag. About 5 months to go...
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:59 AM
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109. I agree. To see so many on here supporting wholeheartedly a POTUS who put Wall Street prominently
in the WH and who refused to take the bully pulpit and fight for the working class is really disheartening.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:00 PM
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166. Amen, cui bono.
Not just 'supporting' but trying to squish us into the ground. Do they think OWS is happening because we have such effective leadership?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:16 PM
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289. I agree
it's fucking disgusting - more power to OWS!!!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:15 PM
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333. Thank you!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #109
346. Haha, that's what you get when you champion a junior senator who claims post-partisenship.
C'mon. Predictable a mile a fucking way.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:25 AM
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62. So true.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:40 AM
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102. +1
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:39 PM
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185. ICAM. That's why I don't come around this cesspool very often.
The anti-Dem stench is putrid.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:24 AM
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51. K/R. The GOP would be beside itself with joy if they could claim POTUS' accomplishments
for their candidate.

But because some have yet to benefit from this administration's work thus far, some of the left choose to regard it as a failure.

Dems eat their own indeed.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:03 AM
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110. If you left off "for their candidate" I would whole heartedly agree with your first statement.
The GOP is getting what they want and furthering their agenda with a Dem POTUS and yet people rally behind Obama just because he has a D after his name, regardless of what he signs into law or doesn't bother to fight for.

Dems killing their own party by loving a centrist who constantly capitulates instead for fighting for the Dem party's principles is more like it.

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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:51 AM
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126. The GOP would be beside itself with joy...
"The GOP would be beside itself with joy if they could claim POTUS' accomplishments"

How true that statement is...given the nature of the GOP and their objectives...who could better represent the 1% than Obama, the GOP must be jealous.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:30 AM
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52. Wow, that's a great synopsis of the media situation and the failure of the Dems to sell Obama better
That's pretty damned astute, saying that we have failed to sell the idea of how successful President Obama is over the media's airwaves.
But, we always have "teh list" ready to counter their arguments on these series of tubes.

I have to admit I have a bias for Clooney, though.
He was just too damned funny in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?".
That movie killed me I laughed so much.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:41 AM
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54. K & R
:thumbsup:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:52 AM
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57. Sorry George, the correct answer is ...
"I understand. Honestly."
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:30 AM
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63. Obviously, a lot of people agree with exactly the answer he gave.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:39 AM
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77. Hypocrites hate being called out, don't they?
Look at them bash the shit out of Clooney for being honest.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:35 AM
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64. Clooney to Obama: thanks for extending the Bush tax cuts!
:patriot:
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:48 AM
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161. Thanks for extending middle class tax cuts. and unemployment
benefits even if you HAD to extend Bush for the wealthy, to get it done. Don't forget Bush extended tax cuts for middle class as well. Obama didn't have the votes to cut Bush tax cuts on wealthy from the package.
He could have vetoed tax cuts for EVERYONE though. Then the dems would be called the tax and spend party for another few generations.

All the things that Clooney enumerated that Obama did, the repugs would not have done, yet he is attacked for not doing enough with an obstructionist congress where 41 votes has
more merit than 59 votes. Yes, the repugs would have done less for the people, plus derail all of the safety net, PRIVATIZE everything.
Too bad this has become the bash Obama site, I'm sure many here are here to divide and demoralize the base to kill any enthusiasm before it starts.
Well we can elect a repug and give him next supreme court appointment, give them senate too that won't take too much they already have Nelson from Neb, Landreau from La and a few more Dinos.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 08:20 PM
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396. Thank you for speaking truth to power.
You're right on all counts.

Welcome to DU! Your voice will be needed to counter the constant negativity by those who seem to relish attacking President Obama so much more than Republicans. Funny dat, eh?

:sarcasm:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:59 AM
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66. firm believer in what?
"I'm a firm believer in sticking by and sticking up for the people whom you've elected."

Anyone else think Clooney might have it backwards?
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:38 AM
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76. George is a loyal Democrat, unlike some others...
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:06 AM
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112. Those "others" are more loyal to the Democratic Party platform than Obama
and his apologists...

That's what we're supposed to be rallying for, the party platform. Not a person or a position. Especially when they fail to fight for the party's ideals.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:04 PM
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172. he signed the oath
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:02 AM
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67. Obama needs to hire George Clooney to run his campaign.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:11 AM
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69. But I thought we don't give a damn about what some actor says.
Matt Damon anyone?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:44 PM
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393. It appears we do when he says what some want to hear.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:58 PM
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394. Or when we don't agree with him
as evidenced by the 400+ responses to this thread - many of which say, "Who CARES what he has to say?" Obviously plenty people care a lot about what he has to say.

:-)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:25 AM
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70. Clooney is the 1% .
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 07:44 AM by Bluenorthwest
I find is amazing that a person in such circumstances could be 'disillusioned' with anything. Millions of dollars to make a movie, millions and millions of dollars.
Anyone here ever been in a house on Lake Como? The stories of parties and skinny dipping sessions with the Great and Powerful at George's house- George flies folks in on private jets from the US to join him. And he's disillusioned? Well I think he can afford some coping mechanisms.
Myself, I am constantly disillusioned that actors like George squander their money on lavish lifestyles, while the city and industry that created them goes without. Clooney could make a theater company,and employ dozens of people in the art and craft that made him rich, but instead, he spends the money on an international party lifestyle.
He is the 1%, as 1% as it gets.
I have to wonder what actions Clooney will take to express his disillusionment with those little people who disappoint him so? Will he refuse to leave Lake Como? How will he let his disillusionment with his tarnished life be communicated to the world? I think he should do live interviews from Lake Como, addressing the rotten attitudes of the jobless, the poor, the people the President says are not 'Sanctified'. George should introduce the public to his staff of servants and then, as they serve his dinner, he should, in painstaking detail, define his painful disillusionment with others.
Here is a bit about his house up for sale, 26 million. It is interesting because the article says he is selling because he is 'disillusioned'. Funny word, that one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1253426/Bidding-war-George-Clooney-puts-Lake-Como-villa-sale.html
Skinny Dipping with stars and David Gergen:
http://www.dailygossip.org/clooney-admits-to-skinny-dip-passing-rite-at-his-lake-como-home-1623
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:37 AM
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:55 AM
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81. What's self righteous about it? I'm not righteous, and these are
the facts of his life. He is the 1%. If you don't have anything to say about the issues, then say nothing, because I am not a subject for your discussion, this place is not about discussing our opinions of each other, it is about issues and news.
Clooney is a rich, rich, man who does some good, but it is absurd to hear him speak about being 'disillusioned'. I mean, poor, poor George. We should all have his problems.
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
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194. Clooney is disillusioned because of people who only see the negative Never the positive
The accomplishments that would not have happened with McCain, undermining every thing "O" does. He needs help from his party but don't send Dino's to DC to tie his hands.
He has to deal with repugs in congress, who say no to everything, banks that won't lend, business sitting on two trillion and won't hire in US, just to see economy fail.
Obama is getting US out of Bush well hole, while repugs, banks and business undermine his every move, cutting the ladder in half and saying use this to get out.
This is not about Clooneys personal circumstances, I know you don't have to worry about him, nor he about the 99%, BUT HE DOES worry about people voting against their own interests. What can't be said enough, is sending a real dem congress to Washington. Know how they will vote on issues, primary the obvious DINOs, starting now. The president is only as good as the congress he gets, he needs a unified party. National party SHOULD endorse only candidates that won't disrupt president's national agenda.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #75
85. You nailed that one... nt
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #70
160. As were FDR, all the Kennedys, John Kerry ... and even
the beloved Alan Grayson, who is a multi-millionaire.

So what's your point?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:12 PM
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266. Don't forget Michael Moore and Matt Damon! And I'm sure Cornel and Tavis ain't doing too bad either
Especially Tavis with his 400 million endorsement deals with WalMart and other such luminaries.

Apparently, the only stinking rich people that are likeable here are stinking rich people who hate the president.

Fucking SAYS IT ALL.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:13 PM
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225. I know many in the 1%...
And they are pulling full force for the 99%.

This isn't about hating the rich and the more we voice that particular sentiment, the closer we are to losing this battle. This is about making sure everyone has the opportunity to acquire enough wealth to be comfortable, and that is completely doable.

There are many pulling for us. You can take issue with what he says without making it all about hating the rich.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:18 PM
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272. Yet you have no problem voting for Matt Damon, another 1 percenter.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1694552&mesg_id=1700003

And how do you know what Clooney spends his money on? What proof do you have that he hasn't helped anybody out? In fact, in 1999, Clooney got into a fistfight with director David O. Russell over the way Russell was treating crew members:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Russell

During filming, news spread of Russell and George Clooney nearly having a fistfight on the set of Three Kings. In a 2000 interview, Clooney described his confrontation with Russell after tensions on the set had been steadily increasing. According to Clooney, Russell was demeaning the crew verbally and physically. Clooney felt this was out of line and told Russell, "David, it's a big day. But you can't shove, push or humiliate people who aren't allowed to defend themselves." Russell, said Clooney, replied, "Why don't you just worry about your fucked-up acting?! You're being a dick. You want to hit me? You want to hit me? Come on, pussy, hit me."<7> Clooney said Russell then grabbed him by the throat and Clooney "went nuts", pummeling Russell. Clooney said Russell eventually apologized and filming continued, but Clooney described the incident as "truly, without exception, the worst experience of my life." When asked if he would work with Russell again, Clooney responded, "Lifes too short."<7>
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:29 AM
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71. Sorry George, blind obedience is not in my makeup. It's not that the Prez....
...didn't do everything I wanted. He's done very little of what I wanted and a whole bunch of what I didnt' want.
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r0nr0ntaiwan Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:35 AM
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74. Good to hear.
To be honest, it's far from comforting to see someone praised for saying that he's disillusioned with people who are disillusioned. Obama is upsetting his base. Reasons for disillusionment are justified. Clooney, though, would rather people put their feelings aside and consider their disillusionment as unnecessary, unimportant or silly.

Clooney is a good actor. Not great, but good. I say this because the overwhelming majority of his roles and characters are so similar. But being a good actor doesn't make one good at politics. And making millions per year (even millions per movie) and being constantly adored by worshiping fans doesn't mean that he knows what it's like to be on Main Street.

Why do people take seriously the musings of celebrities?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #71
86. Misplaced rage is equally blinding.
Not to mention counter-productive in the extreme.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:42 AM
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89. Are you referring to Clooney's anger?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:02 AM
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93. Is that how you read it?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:06 AM
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95. I saw nothing else coming close to rage. What did you mean?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:46 AM
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104. You saw "nothing else coming close to rage?"
Really? Misplaced rage is practiced here on a daily basis. Interesting that you don't see it.

It's equally blinding, as you've just demonstrated.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:48 AM
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105. I was trying to give you an out, but...
...I inferred from your first reply that you thought it was my blind rage that caused me to feel the way I do.


I would suggest that disappointment does not equal rage.

If I've totally misread you, my apologies.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:13 AM
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142. Here's the thing...
When you imply that those who disagree with you must be suffering from some sort of "blind obedience," it's intended to be insulting and dismissive. This board has been absolutely toxic with this backhanded crap for quite some time. For you, it may not rise to the level of "rage," but the use of such passive-aggressive language comes from the same place.

Thanks for the "out" nonetheless....

If I've totally misread you, my apologies as well.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:19 AM
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146. A respectful and friendly disagreement. No problem....
...but I think it unwise to withhold criticism of MY PRESIDENT when I think it's justified, just as I felt regarding criticism of Bush, etc.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #71
192. My thoughts exactly.
It's not what he's failed to do, it's what he is doing.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:29 AM
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72. I wish I could recommend this a million times...
SPOT-ON CLOONEY!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:00 AM
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82. and we should care what this guy says because????? nt
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:10 AM
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84. I don't know.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 08:10 AM by GoCubsGo
You cared enough to click on the link, read the story, and then take the time to comment on it. You tell us.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:21 AM
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87. lol
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #82
90. ^^^^and we should care what this guy says because?????
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:24 AM
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88. Bullshit
I am a Democrat because we have differing opinions. If I wanted to march in lockstep I'd be a Con.

Obama hasn't disappointed me on one or two issues. Its been many issues.

Will he get my vote?


yes

Does that mean I'm enthusiastic about him?

Nope.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #88
117. +10

Three names:

Geithner
Summers
Immelt


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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:51 AM
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125. There's only 1 or 2 issues where he's NOT disappointed me.
On the rest he pretty much blows.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:20 PM
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273. It's not like there fringe issues
its not like I'm mad because Obama hasn't banned the eating of meat or recognized the dog vote or the anti-fur movement... I mean the "left" are pissed at Obama because he has backed down on core economic and social issues that the party stand for. It's not the wacky single issue left, it is core people that think Obama has not been vocal enough on core democratic issues. Obama remains popular within the democratic party vote and yes we are going to vote for him anyways. But his overall popularity is ~40 %. He has failed to address core economic issues (heck he renewed the Bush tax cut) and the independent and non-politically active have drift the most away from him. When a president is low in the polls, doesn't that indicate they've probably not been messaging well.

For the record the liberal left has for the most part backed the president and voted for even his watered down policies. It's the conservative dems that have pushed his agenda, not the left. We've complained but when push comes to shove backed the president. Not true of the blue bloods, who have times and time again run away from real problems.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:51 AM
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91. So when Matt Damon says something we don't like
we don't listen to stupid celebrities and what do they know anyway and how DARE he criticize His Holiness!?

When George Clooney says something we like, we stick a bunch of pictures up and act like it's the gospel. The gospel of George.
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PragmaticLiberal Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:06 AM
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111. So when George Clooney says something positive about Obama
"We don't listen to stupid celebrities and what does he know....he's a 1% etc etc.


Now when someone like Harry Belafonte criticizes Obama, he's a "man of the people." :)
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:18 AM
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96. Whatever country he should ever become President...I'm moving there...n/t
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:29 AM
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99. Oh for Pete's sake, did you see the movie at all?
He is running for president on the platform of ending gas pollution and gas wars: get out of oil sands and out of the sands of the ME.

But the system and the bums running the political campaigns are so corrupt that the show is ultimately a downer. ;)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:35 AM
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100. Of course DU has a lot of the moaners who never give Obama a break and haven't
since day one.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:48 AM
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106. I love him and the sentiment.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:08 AM
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:36 AM
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153. Sexist much?
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:14 AM
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114. Um, I saw a Tori Amos ad w/picture to the right and totally forgot what I was going to say.
Thank you George Amos.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:30 AM
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116. I'm with Clooney. The left as a movement has turned me off.
I'll always embrace the liberal ideology. Its the kind of government I ultimately want us to have. But the left, as a movement, is full of a lot of childish, anticompromise, "my way or the highway" bullshit. We claim we are holding feet to the fire, but really all we are doing is setting feet, and everything else, on fire.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #116
213. The Democratic Party has done little since 1980
but compromise. The greatest compromise being acceptance of the election fraud that put the worst President in history in office.

The reason Obama was overwhelming elected in 2008 was that the nation actually wanted and needed real change, not the status quo. He squandered the greatest presidential mandate in history. Go back and look at those shots of the inauguration. Those numbers represented a mandate.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:11 PM
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224. +1000. except I wouldn't say it was THE greatest mandate, it was very large though,otherwise-spot on
:thumbsup:
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:54 PM
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389. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #116
251. So are you going to vote with the right now?
Liberal in speech, but not in action. Sure. Makes sense if you've got a job and insurance and stuff. Very logical.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:08 PM
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353. Evidence?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:20 PM by cui bono

The left doesn't even have a voice in this country. And Obama has told them to STFU. How on earth has the movement of the left (is there any movement? It's all been moving right for a long time now.) done anything like that?

It's Obama's constant capitulation to the extreme right that has hurt the Democratic Party. Obama has done more to move the Dem party to the right than anyone. Not even the Republicans were able to make it okay to talk about cutting SS and Medicare but now that Obama put it on the table it's open season on both of them.

And the apologists that support a "Democratic" president who brought Wall Street INTO the WH who think any and all criticism is unwarranted and just whining about ponies are the ones dividing the party. I'm so sick of hearing it's the left, it's the centrists that are pushing the party to the right and that is NOT what the party is supposed to be about. They are essentially changing the party platform by not supporting Democratic ideals and principles and simply supporting a person who holds a particular position just because he has a "D" after his name even though he behaves like an "R".



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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:35 AM
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119. I thought we were such a tiny minority of minority that...
... we weren't worth worrying about.

They sound a little worried.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:37 AM
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121. Even George Clooney is controversial at DU!
At DU there is a cannibal dinner party daily :)

This is great stuff, too bad it didn't get more MSM play:

"I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama, quite honestly, I am," he said on ABC News Now's "Popcorn with Peter Travers" before today's release of "The Ides of March."Democrats eat their own. Democrats find singular issues and go, 'Well, I didn't get everything I wanted.' I'm a firm believer in sticking by and sticking up for the people whom you've elected.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:38 AM
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122. Mr Clooney, I love ya but let's be clear. When people such as yourself show that you ARE NOT
disillusioned with the President and the country knows it, the disillusion will vanish.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:56 AM
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128. Interesting
The responses here would seem to go a long way to support his point.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:57 AM
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130. So Clooney's now a shill for the ruling class.
Oh well...
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:58 AM
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132. Thank you, Mr. Clooney.
Well said, sir.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:01 AM
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134. We agree totally....



The Tikkis
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:03 AM
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135. I am not disillusioned
I am not disillusioned either by PBO or any self described progressive/liberal who assert that they are disillusioned by PBO.

People form their own opinions, using whatever criteria they wish. I do not expect political opinions to be logical, reasonable or factual.

It is far more likely that political opinions are not logical, reasonable or factual.
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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:04 AM
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136. Only the 1% has the right to be disillusioned.
The rest of us not so much, we should all get in line and worship our great leader.
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Action Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:08 AM
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138. Never ever forget
Repubs do not give a damn about the country at all. They are there to do the bidding of the rich.

Clooney is 100% correct. To the poster who asked if he is just suppose to take what has happened when it comes to not liking what Obama has done or not done, the answer is no. What you need to do is keep pushing Obama and the Dems in Congress. That is how it works. Then if things don't get done, work to put in more progressives in the House and Senate.

I don't know how old you are, but there are Americans who do not have the time to wait decades for this to shake out. We need to win in 2012 or else you will have a lot more negatives to rag on about.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:08 AM
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139. Exactly what I think, thanks Mr. Cloony!
Wow I luuuuv him....
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:09 AM
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140. Rose colored glasses and pushing what he doesn't like into the shadows.
Best of luck, George.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:13 AM
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143. There's a couple of the best looking guys in the world!
IMHO
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:10 PM
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173. Definitely in the top 1% of most handsome men!
IMHO2
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:22 AM
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149. I agree with him. Now how to bridge that gap?
If all people can do is rage, there is no middle ground and no foundation from which to start. In my opinion that's the real danger in this country right now, from both ends of the spectrum, and either has the power to work to change that. I'm frustrated with the slow climb with Obama, but we could make it easier in the long run if we supported the climb rather than throwing stones from the sidelines because we're not happy with the rate of the ascent. Of course that's what the RW does, but they not only want him to fail, they want US to fail, and I hate that many times we help them by either raging or going limp.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:23 AM
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150. When Carter ran against Reagan, they didn't have or use campaign donations outside the federal
campaign funds. They also had the Fairness Doctrine.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:28 AM
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151. Well George, why not make a commercial or go on YT and say exactly that?
I am sure it would be very popular. Why not make a video that you can use on commercial TV and on YouTube and say those things and call out the mis-information? You could do that easily with all that is at your fingertips.

Oh, what's that? Have to get back with us on that?

Thought so....

Your limo is waiting by the way.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:34 AM
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152. so are we george. so are we.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:42 AM
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155. Wait, so are we supposed to take celebrities and their opinions seriously or not?
It seems that consensus over that issue by the status quo in this site changes on a weekly basis.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:45 AM
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158. AMEN George!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:02 PM
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169. I picture him saying that while hot tubbing on his private jet, sitting b/t 2 bikini babes.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:36 PM by Dr Fate
LOL! Pass me a glass of that $400 champagne while you remind us malcontents of how great we all have it right now.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:44 PM
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186. I usually picture myself with the two bikini babes
Anything is possible with imagination!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:54 PM
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190. Anything is possible with a Ga-jillion bucks in the bank as well.
Nt
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #190
222. In the imaginary world, a gajillion is an actual number.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:11 PM
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223. And in the real world, Clooney owns fleets of cars and several mansions.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:12 PM by Dr Fate
LOL! So I guess a ga-jillion is a lot on this plane of reality as well.

maybe he is right, we should all kick back and enjoy the fruits of our labor instead of just going after Obama bc he did not deliver on one or two pet issues.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #223
228. In the real world, Clooney's done more Progressively...
than griping on a message board.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:20 PM
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230. GOD I hate those lazy people who sit around expressing their opinions on message boards.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:24 PM by Dr Fate
They are SOOOOOOOO lazy, don't you think?

When are they going to get off their asses and generate some pro OBama press releases for us to read instead, like REAL progressives do?
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:25 PM
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234. I imagined a news crew for you
:hi:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:27 PM
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235. Cool, so long as you are not wasting valuable activism time on a message board.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:30 PM by Dr Fate
We all need to work just as hard at this as Clooney does, ya know.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:31 PM
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236. You can only wish...
or imagine!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:36 PM
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237. If I was not on this message board, I'm sure I could advocate for Clooney even better thanyou!
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:38 PM by Dr Fate
But first, I must follow your example, put down the computer and go out and do progressive things. Things that Clooney does.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:40 PM
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238. Teaching someone the difference between real deeds....
and imagination isn't progressive enough? :(
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:43 PM
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239. You and Clooney are the teachers- I merely sit at your feet via this message board.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:46 PM by Dr Fate
I better stop reading Internet text from Clooney on this message board, then discussing the same Internet text with you on this message board- that way I can act more progressive like you and Clooney.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:47 PM
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240. This is a good start
That centrist act was getting stale
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:54 PM
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243. So long as we agree that these anti-Progressive/Clooney message board people are wasting their time.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 03:01 PM by Dr Fate
...then I don't care what kind of act you do. Centrist, progressive, whatever we want to call it.

Note that I too use the word PROGRESSIVE, not liberal. I think we agree more than not.

I better get off this message board and go out and do progressive deeds like you suggest. I'm guessing you are already out there waiting on me.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:18 PM
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249. Way ahead of you on my solar powered Ipad
Multi-tasking is a cinch.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:00 PM
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390. Mind if I butt in?
:silly:
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:59 PM
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214. I see him advocating for the people of Darfur...
And, Chad, and Haiti. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who is willing to go into Somali refugee camps to document conditions there his $400 champagne.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:08 PM
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220. I see him advocating for the American Citizens protesting on Wall Street...
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:13 PM by Dr Fate
....once things get as bad as they are in other countries, I guess.

Go Darfur!

Go Chad!

Go Somali!

USA? Stop whinning and be glad you have Obama!
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:30 PM
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256. I'm not the one whining.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:57 PM
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261. Exactly, George is not talking to us folks who are doing great under Obama,
He is talking to the liberals who lost out on one or two irrelevant pet issues, such as jobs or the wars.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:02 PM
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264. I agree with him.
And, I lost out on jobs. Only, I prefer to blame the one who cost me my job in the first place, and it wasn't Obama.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:30 PM
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355. Here we have Obama listening carefully to his base and hearing that life is great! -nt
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:30 PM by scentopine
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watajob Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:04 PM
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170. And, just ignore...
... that there are still wars raging in Iraq and Afghanistan along with new/expanded ones in Libya/Somalia/Yemen/etc. Ignore that Gitmo is still open. Ignore that by, "Presidential decree", he's absolved all of the Bushies of war crimes, the banksters of criminal activity and "relieved" American citizens of the yoke of due process . Ignore that healthcare/Dodd-Frank look worse everyday as the are more fully understood. Ignore the fact that EFCA was stillborn. I could continue but you get the message. I'm no big sports guy but I like to use the "points on the board" metaphor. Yeah, there's 21 points up there but it was 7 field goals not 3 touchdowns.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:12 PM
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174. Clooney has always seemed to be a
really decent guy whose heart and politics and actions are in the right place. On this issue, though, I disagree with him. Every Friday, I get together with the same folks ( well, not now, I am over seas for a few months). A couple of us are very disillusioned with the entire system including the President; some others are not. We are all progressives. I get George Clooney's point and I really respect the guy. But I just don't agree.

Honestly, for some us, were President Obama and President Clinton reversed, Clinton would be getting the same grief President Obama is getting now. In my case, I was critical of Clinton but way too late in the game. It is not President Obama or President Clinton we are disgusted by, though. It is the DLC policies they have come to embody.
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:13 PM
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175. Damn. Clooney gets hotter the older he gets. Hubba hubba :D
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #175
253. Pictures of two pretty men. Two clueless men.
Two pretty clueless men.

I think they are both attractive. I think they are both our of touch.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:31 PM
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182. I appreciate George Clooney but really...
When is the last time he had to live paycheck to paycheck?

Decide between food, meds, or the rent?

Lived on Ramen or worse?

Had kids with no hope for the future?

Worked a minimum wage job or two or three for a living?

Work into your 70's or longer because you must financially? Till you drop dead.

He hasn't got a damn clue, period.

Shit George take a spare million from your 15 mil a piece or whatever movie career and take it down to http://occupylosangeles.org/ and put it to good use.

See how the 99% have to make it in this damn capitalist paradise we are trying to survive in!
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:23 PM
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294. So, once someone becomes successful, they no longer have any credibility since only the suffering
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 06:25 PM by Empowerer
can speak up?

Interesting - your notions would have knocked out Martin Luther King, W.E.B. DuBois, FDR, JFK, RFK, among many others.

In my view, the attitude that you and several others are expressing here represent the true "class warfare" - the kneejerk resentment and, in some instances, hatred, of the wealthy just because they are wealthy. There is nothing wrong with being rich. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the money one has made.

The problem is not that some people are rich. The problem is that many rich people want to pull the ladder up behind them and ensure that no one else can share the prosperity that they enjoy. And, bizarrely, there are plenty of poor and middle class people who are all too happy to help them do it.

I've spent my life fighting this notion and have been accused of "class warfare" by those who want to maintain the status quo. But as hard as I fight, I NEVER attack people just for being wealthy and never assume that, by virtue of their wealth, someone no longer can empathize with or speak out for me. That's illogical and, in my opinion IS class warfare. Some of the most empathetic, kindest and most effective people I've known in the movement have been extremely wealthy. And some of the cruelest, most selfish, nastiest people I've encountered in my life didn't have a pot to piss in.

I have tremendous respect for George Clooney because, despite his enormous success, he works hard to even the playing field so that everyone else has a chance to achieve what he has - and, in meantime, that those who haven't or cannot get what he has at least are treated with the respect we all deserve.

In other words, I ain't mad at him.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:25 PM
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307. Do you really want to compare George Clooney to..
Martin Luther King, W.E.B. DuBois, FDR, JFK, RFK? Really?

Really, really??

MLK was beaten by police numerous times, spied on by the FBI who tried to blackmail him into committing suicide, had death threats hanging over his head most of his life and of course was assassinated by James Earl Ray with a a big assist by TPTB, possibly. He gave up his life, his children, his wife, everything, for his movement and his people.

I don't think any man alive on this earth that I know of anyway, compares to MLK, much less a millionaire movie actor.

Thats just one person on your list. The others were also outstanding human beings whose awesome deeds will long outlive themselves.

Besides I said at the top I appreciated George for what hes done, guess you missed that part.

Peace out bro.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:11 PM
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318. Re-read my post - I wasn't comparing George Clooney to anyone
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 08:11 PM by Empowerer
I was responding to YOUR insistence that he "hasn't got a damn clue, period" because he does not have to struggle financially.

All of the people I referenced, like Clooney, enjoyed great privilege and lived their lives in considerable financial security - yet they, as you noted "were outstanding human beings whose awesome deeds will long outlive themselves" - notwithstanding the fact that none of them ever "had to live paycheck to paycheck . . . decide between food, meds, or the rent . . . worked a minimum wage job or two or three for a living . . . worked into your 70s or longer because you must financially."

Whether one has a clue has nothing to do with whether they have money or not. Plenty of wealthy people "have a clue" and fight for the rights of those who have much less. Plenty of people who don't have squat don't "have a clue, period" and do their best to undermine the rights of those with little or nothing.

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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:37 PM
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184. That is easy for Clooney to say. He has everything he needs. Home health care etc. Guess I'm
disillusioned with Clooney.
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:53 PM
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189. Thanks, George.
I think you said it all.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:54 PM
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191. I'm disillusioned by people that skinny dip with David Gergen. n/t
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:14 PM
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200. My older brother looks like Clooney's long-lost twin--but he has a beard,
so he looks like the bearded Clooney more.

CLooney makes good sense.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:14 PM
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201. Well George, it probably doesn't matter
that the President's weakness and indecisiveness has likely compromised medicare and social security.

It might not matter to a man of your means that Wall Street has gotten away with fraud the rest of us must suffer for.

It might not matter to you, George, that the President choses to continue these unnecessary, counterproductive and incredibly expensive wars. But many of us can't just overlook it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:24 PM
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206. By their actions and deeds you shall know them.
Continuing two ILLEGAL wars predicated on lies and deceit only aids the Military Industrial Complex. EVERY SINGLE DAY over ONE BILLION DOLLARS is poured down the middle east sinkhole. And to what ends?
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:57 PM
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325. Not to mention the human cost
in blood and ruined lives.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:14 PM
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332. The NUMBER ONE reason I voted for Barrack Obama was his promise to bring an end
...to the endless wars. Even if Obama wins a second term, which I believe he will, he will not end the wars. The wars will continue as long as the lords of money and the Military Industrial Complex decree they will.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:20 PM
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204. Amen George! Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:37 PM
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210. Just more evidence of how divisive Obama is to the Democratic party
Barack is either part of the problem or part of the solution, the status quo isn't good enough.

* Washington is broken - it doesn't represent the will of the people.

* Health care system is broken - matter of time before only the rich can afford it.(sorry insurance reform doesn't get it)

* Defense system is broken - MIC needs 60% of the discretionary budget to buy things that go bang and stir up more trouble.

* Business is broken - it's ONLY objective is enrich shareholders & ceo's

* Banks - No need to list , we all know

I have always liked George Clooney, but he should have talked to his publicist before dissing so many of his own.
(redeem yourself George, join OWS)
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:38 PM
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374. OBAMA is divisive to the Democratic Party?
Good Lord . . .
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ermasdaughter Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:47 PM
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211. He's totally right....
I've been saying this for a solid year.
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h2ebits Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:57 PM
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212. Where is the Democratic Party messaging?
I also think that Obama has accomplished a great deal. Why is the Democratic Party not messaging all of the accomplishments--repeatedly--over and over--again and again? Clooney is right when he states that the Republicans know how to do it. We are in a fight to retain the greatness of the United States and its people. Start or join an "Occupy" event nearest to you.

My thought for the day: WHERE IS THE MONEY? There is worldwide poverty, there is worldwide unemployment, and there is worldwide swindling of the majority of people. I believe that a small handful of people are playing a game with each other to see who can accumulate the most wealth. They have to keep thinking of ways to take more and more money out of our pockets to continue their game. They are sociopaths with no conscience and we need to stop them.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:59 PM
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215. Clooney and his "good buddy" Charlie Rose must have to struggle to
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:00 PM by truedelphi
To figure out why anyone not of the multi-millionaire class might be upset.

When you are firmly in that class, you do not really care what the banks are or are not doing.

You don't have to worry about what Monsanto is doing - you will always have the moulah to eat your steamed organic broccoli.

Should you marry and have kids (Something that Clooney has not been grown up enough to attempt yet) -
those of the multi-millionaire class don't need to worry that their kid will grow up and be a "grunt" in the wars for profit.

If I was a multi-millionaire, I confess I too would be pretty distracted by all the pleasures that lifestyle brings me. So many choices - what new $ 4k outfit to wear today? Which restaurant to eat at? What TV show to appear on? What movie script to direct and produce?

I too might not be able to determine much more about the "elected" official sitting in the WH other than he seems friendly and polite, and his wife is pretty and the kids are cute. Most issues are not concerns to multi-millionaires - when you have the kind of money Clooney has, where he can decide whenever bored to produce a new movie and not even take a salary - that really tells us everything we need to know about him. He is uninformed about everything that is going on, because he lives inside a bubble of insulated reality most humans can only dream about.








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:03 PM
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216. Clooney should pay a visit to OWS -- think he's right on some things, wrong on this -- !!
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:18 PM
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229. Kool-Aid time at Clooney's, and if you dont lke the flavour, kindly STFU
If you shunt aside your core beliefs, and put on a happy face, regards of what bollocks is shoved down your throat by the very team you supported, then you truly deserve all the pain you will get.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:22 PM
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233. Swoon
Damn, that man is desirable in so many ways. But I never expected he would tell it exactly as I see it - but have failed so miserably to put into words. I agree with him.




Now if he would just settle down and marry me. Never could watch another episode of ER after he left the show.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:47 PM
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241. So true. I didn't start on the Obama bandwagon, but I am now a supporter. He has
done a whole lot of things in three years, but all the MSM does is try to divide and conquer the Dems.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:54 PM
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242. *yawn* n/t
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stonecutter357 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:55 PM
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244. get the money out of politics.
get the money out of politics.
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Tanelorn Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:57 PM
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245. Clooney talks.... LOTS of people listen
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:41 PM
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311. Clooney should be listening to the LEFT out on the streets -- OWS, etal ---
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 07:42 PM by defendandprotect
Think he's gotten a little too close to Obama --

Kinda like missing the forest for the trees, maybe?

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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:05 PM
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247. I'm sorry....
:eyes:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:16 PM
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248. Less than 48 hours after the election in 2008, the Obama bashing started here on DU
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:20 PM
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250. Like me some Clooney, but he is out of touch.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 03:32 PM by Jakes Progress
I like what he is doing for Dafur. I like his politics. But he can get in to see Obama any day he wants. And when he tells Obama what he thinks is good, Obama nods.

George, Ask your friend Matt Damon about the "Race to the Corporations" education program that is a carbon copy of the marching orders that the neocons gave bill bennet. Ask Matt how he feels about union teachers being lambasted by Obama's point guard.

George. Things look better from your position. But those who are sweating their mortgage, are working two jobs to make half what they did before, are about to give up on sending kids to college, are still unable to get married, are wondering if their son or daughter will make it back from tour number five in Afghanistan, are having their grown children and their grandchildren moving back in because there are no jobs, are worried that their doctor will stop seeing them when they turn 65..... These people don't have it that nice. They voted thinking things would get better. The fact that they got worse is indeed the republicans fault. But having our guy keep trying to make the republicans happy doesn't make the beans and cabbage taste any better.

I know your heart is in the right place. I know you walk with the starving in Dafur. But your statement is as ill-placed as some radio show pundit fussing about whiny kids in Africa. Just because it isn't your concern, doesn't mean it isn't valid. We had hope. It is gone. Before you pipe off like that again, I suggest you ugly yourself up a little, slip out of your suite at the Ritz and spend a few days with real people here the way you do in Dafur.

Still like you George. (Goin' to see your movie Wednesday - half price day) But you really don't get this, and it comes off making you look like a rich snob telling your lessers to shut up and get to work. Not pretty.

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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:27 PM
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254. Great post,
but yours usually are. Thanks.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:30 PM
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257. Me blushing.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:53 PM
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260. Oh lordy what constitutes as great posts these days.
George bad Matt good add the filler and...voila!
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:21 PM
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292. Got anything other then nasty snark?
What you call "filler" is actually substance. Look it up.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:03 PM
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327. No.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:44 PM
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342. I can translate for you.
His little snark is because I have on occasion complained about the great O. So anything I write is automatically bad. See. It's easy if you don't have to actually think or have any set values or anything.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:03 PM
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:02 PM
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305. I like him too.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 07:28 PM by Puglover
And like I've said dozens of times on this website I don't dislike Obama in the slightest. He's a politician. A centrist. Meh. One trillion times better then a Perry or Bush. And seriously, if folks can't see that. Eh.

But what is absolutely cringe worthy is posting an opinion of a hugely rich celebrity in order to scold others that don't share an opinion that some folks on this website have. And then high fiving over it. Gawd....

"Well Matt Damon sez......" :eyes:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:03 PM
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401. CORRECT
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:47 PM
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258. His concern is noted....
I like George Clooney. I don't think I've yet seen a film he's made that I didn't think was superb.

I'm sorry he's disappointed with the people who are disillusioned with Obama. I guess we'll just have to disagree on that point.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:27 PM
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267. oh please
so sorry you are disillusioned... maybe it really is about delusion.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:32 PM
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268. God, I wish I was Clooney
Smart dude, rich, can seemingly get any script made he wants, handsome, his girlfriend is Stacy Kiebler.....what a life.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:21 PM
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274. Many of those criticizing Clooney in this thread had no problem with Matt Damon criticizing Obama.
Last I checked, Damon was also a 1 percenter. In fact, he's worked with Clooney several times (the "Ocean's 11" franchise). But I guess someone's personal wealth is only a problem if they don't slam Obama.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:30 PM
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275. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:33 PM
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276. Sort of obvious that his biggest problems are deciding which car to drive and which woman to date...
That said, imo it's fine to be critical and push for democratic policies - that's patriotic - but when it comes to voting, it's not fine to sit it out.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:39 PM
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278. Clooney Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth
Why this site constantly bashes Obama rather than giving him the praise he deserves just boggles my mind. Thanks George Clooney for forcefully saying the obvious. Far too many people just don't get this. When you consider the mess that was dumped in Obama'a lap, where we are now compared to then and the total obstruction from the Republican Party from the first day Obama was in office.
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southmost Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:39 PM
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279. he's been a centrist democrat before he got elected
not disappointed in him so much, mre disillusioned by the whole political process in general
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:47 PM
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280. nail may I introduce to Mr. Hammer?
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:00 PM
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282. If the Repukes can recruit Arnold...
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 06:03 PM by ClusterFreak
...and get him to win the Governorship of California solely on the basis of his draw as a muscled movie action star, then surely we can find a way to get George to run for the Senate or something. His chiselled jaw and rugged good looks aside - which would be enough to get him to win in a landslide pretty much anywhere - the guy is sensible, extremely intelligent, fair minded, thoughtful and with an uparalleled sense of morality and social justice. The work he does in Africa alone should qualify him for a Nobel prize. Or at least a nomination.

Draft George! Draft George! Draft George!

p.s. now all he has to do is have a little chat about Obama 'disillusionment' with his pal Matt Damon...to get his head turned around and back on track.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:04 PM
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283. I am disillusioned with those who say, "He's doing everything he can"
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:15 PM
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287. yup
if they want to settle, fine - but I know he could do much, MUCH better
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:09 PM
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284. AMEN!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:14 PM
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286. rich people are fine
the rest of us? not so much
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:17 PM
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290. Wow. So I guess Clooney is cool with endless war, Patriot Act renewal, and so on. what a tool.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:26 PM
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295. Well George, I'm disillusioned with 10 years of war. nt
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:41 PM
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297. Thank you, George, for your straight, honest remarks.
You're not just a pretty face, you're very smart, too. I like you even more now.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:47 PM
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300. I wasn't the biggest fan of George Clooney, but now I totally have a new respect for him.
Yes, I said it. Deal with it.

By the way, his movie "The Ides of March" was terrific!
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:51 PM
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301. 241 recs. Not too shabby, Georgie
:)
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:56 PM
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302. I'm disillusioned by three more years of war,
three more years of torture, three more years of rendition, three more years of Guantanamo, three more years of tax cuts for the super rich, three more years of the erosion of civil liberties, and three more years of the oligarchy leading the rest of us down a path of spiritual and physical ruin.
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:01 PM
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304. I like Clooney I agree with him about the media and polarization
However people aren't necessarily forming their opinions on what the media or news are telling them. People are actually hurting out here and he seems a bit insulated from that and a out of touch with what the common man is going through.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:39 PM
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310. of course clooney is insulated. He's worth millions and will never want for a thing.
Far too many in Hollywood have lost their "common man" perspective. And far too many are drawn to the glittery political heights.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:12 PM
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320. Because he's wealthy and you don't agree with him, he's lost his "common man perspective"
I see . . .
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:10 PM
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331. No obviously you don't.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:22 PM
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306. Ds know "their own" aren't always on their side.
If I were a rich movie star I could afford to think that way too. But I'm not and I have to take reality as I find it.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:51 PM
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313. what would you suggest, Mr. Clooney?
That we keep our mouths shut and be good little Democrats?

No. We're not a fan club. If we keep our mouths shut, problems will get forgotten or ignored. Politicians will not be kept on their toes.

We hold our politicians to very high standards and if they fail to deliver, we call them out on it.

Many of us "critics" do appreciate what President Obama has done, and we've posted about it on DU. But we're not going to shut up when he does things to appease Republicans and does not at least put up a fight against those thugs in Congress.


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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:33 PM
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322. I'm disillusioned by people/actors that think celebrities' political opinions carry any extra weight
Not that I disagree with Clooney's particlar opinion.
But as far as any celebrity sharing their political/ideological beliefs... who gives a shit?!?

I hate when stars get all political or theological.
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:55 PM
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324. I agree!
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Daemonaquila Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:02 PM
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326. DLC shill using his name to get free air time.
Activists? Media-invisible. The few courageous politicians? Media-invisible. Pretty boy actor having diarrhea of the mouth? Immediate media sensation and instant expert. Yup, that's American politics today. Turn off your TV and get on the street.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:04 PM
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328. Are you referring to Bill Clinton? Because Clooney is not now nor has ever been a Clintonian Dem.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:09 PM by ClarkUSA
George Clooney is not the one suffering from "diarrhea of the mouth" here.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:06 PM
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330. As usual, DUers are in their element shooting down anyone who supports the President.
Enjoy President Perry in 2012.

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ForgoTheConsequence Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:25 PM
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334. Clooney makes 20 million a movie.
Meanwhile I have friends and family members with college degrees working jobs making 9 dollars an hour if they're able to find work at all. I'm so sick of upper class liberals telling the poor and working class in this country that they should be happy with what they have. Absolutely disgusting. Clooney can go back to his multi million dollar mansion in Italy and shut the hell up.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:29 PM
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335. But he's not saying that. You're making up a strawman argument.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:31 PM by ClarkUSA
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ForgoTheConsequence Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:32 PM
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336. No I'm not.
My point just went over your head.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:38 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:37 PM
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376. No one is doing that, either. We are just agreeing with Clooney's intellectual points.
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 02:38 PM by ClarkUSA
Just because you do not agree with Clooney doesn't mean you get to make up shit about those of us who do.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:37 PM
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339. Clooney is not one of the 99% so he doesn't understand.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:42 PM
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341. Another version of "Just because ou didn't get your pony."
Well spoken by a one percenter. He doesn't have to worry about anything.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:54 PM
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345. Warning to Celebrities, Notables and the Famous: Now's Not a Good Time
For decades, celebrities have enjoyed support from within the Democratic Party. Some of the most liberal celebrities are quite public about their views and, for quite some time, this notoriety has always benefited them.

Brad Pitt, Sean Penn, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Neil Patrick Harris, the list goes on and on.

For the first time since the early 1980's, it may be quite a mistake for these liberal notables to get involved. Today's climate is very populous and becoming more anti-wealth. It may be that even the most noble of intentions and the best scripted words will be interpreted as haughty and insensitive simply because of the social class disparity between the famous and the average American.

George Clooney's comment, however well intentioned, simply magnifies the divide within the Democratic Party. His tone echoes that of Rham Emmanuel and other Obama officials who deride the views of progressives and even the people themselves.

This is not to say that it can not be done. I believe a celebrity with the right voice would carry great weight in today's climate among the political left. But, the scolding and maternal tone dismissing the views of a great many supporters will not carry the day.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:20 PM
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375. ^ Agree with your insightful post to a degree ^
It seems Matt Damon has more of a clue of what's going on than Clooney. FWIW, Matt Damon's primarily resides in the USA, Clooney tends to reside in Italy.

However, Clooney's movie "Up in the Air" showed he did 'have a clue.' It's still far harder for ordinary people to survive than any wealthy celebrities can imagine.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:57 PM
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347. Hugh kick and R
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:01 PM
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350. Clooney speaks for me with his comment about the 24 hour News/Media
"I'm angered at the polarization," he said. "Having growing up around television news, I'm angered at the way things are presented. I'm worried about the content. I'm worried about who's minding the store, and I'm worried about the idea that 24-hour news doesn't mean we get more news, it just means we have this repetitive cycle of things that aren't factually accurate."


_________________________

This is why I rarely watch news on TV anymore - even the liberal leaning stations like MSNBC and CurrenTV. If I am watching an event, like the elections, I will go with MSNBC first, but I can't watch this stuff day in and day out. I would rather just read the headlines at places like the NYTimes or HuffPost and then find out what stories interest me and then learn more about them. I'll form my own opinion not the one given to me in the media.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:25 PM
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354. I guess this is better than showing more photos of Obama in a swim suit
How nice that the rich movie stars can afford to tell us to just go with the flow, you know, chill.

- Jobs are in fact still hemorrhaging to India and China (right wing democrats have no problem with this)

- We are still slaughtering countless civilians in three wars.

- We are still spending countless billions in three wars

- wall street CEOs are getting richer by the day

- the rest are getting poorer by the day

- health care, education inflation out of control

- wages and benefits are crashing

- no criminal prosecutions, no accountability, nothing for crimes that cause greatest financial theft of middle class wealth in history.

- oil drilling, oil spills, fracking, nuclear, killing clean air legislation

- torture, on and on - there's more of course.

People are legitimately pissed. So thank you for not showing us more pictures of Obama in his swim suit.

That would just piss us off even more than we are pissed off by bullshit head shots with movie stars.






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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:53 PM
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356.  And I am disappointed in you Mr. Clooney
Perhaps you would be more disillusioned if the current state of affairs actually effected your life in a meaningful way. Thank you for the good things you do, but please, do not lecture us.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:14 AM
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360. I was too late to K & R above.
So I'm doing it here!

:kick:

Good for George!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:15 AM
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361. Deja Moo... or; I've heard this bullshit before.
TPTB think they can trot out famous people to voice their opinion that those who are disillusioned not BY President Obama, but WITH President Obama are somehow bad people. Funny that The Guy Who Stares at Goats used BY, instead of WITH. Different context COMPLETELY.

Fuck You George. Go stare at some goats.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:17 AM
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363. hmm...
So, Clooney can be defined as a member of the 'top 1%'--making, as he does, well over $380,000 per year (can you just imagine making that much money every year?). However, Clooney is not a member of that elite inner circle of the uber wealthy who own and control better than 45% of the planet's resources. He is not one of those I call the Corporate Megalomaniacs, whose raison d'etre is the nihilistic hedonism we 99% decry.

In short, Mr. Clooney may sit very CLOSE to the president's ear (yucking it up about the hapless hoi polloi?), but he doesn't have the requisite wealth and power to BEND the president's ear.

Oh, and, IMHO, dismissing the concerns of Mr. Obama's critics is both demeaning and disingenuous, and it will not help us regain our footing in these perilous times.

(Just FYI--and just in case--my first parenthetical comment is a snark...)

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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:37 AM
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368. Clooney you quite honestly suck.
Eff off.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:38 AM
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369. And *another* OP about people.
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 07:39 AM by woo me with science
:eyes:
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:36 AM
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372. An actor. nt
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:07 PM
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373. Yes, he's an actor.
So, what's your point?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:05 PM
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379. Not only is he right, he's gorgeous *AND* fucking right!! K&R!! n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:20 PM
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383. Who gives a rat's ass what you think, George
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 05:20 PM by Carolina
I'm disillusioned with you.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 05:23 PM
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385. Apparently, a hell of a lot of people on DU . . .
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:13 PM
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391. Well...
You took the time and effort to read what he said and make a comment on it, so I guess you do. :shrug:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 07:14 PM
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392. Good! Me too! Thanks!
n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 09:03 PM
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399. George! Just another 1% per center. Say it ain't so.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:04 PM
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403. I love Clooney but...
I just disagree with his comments.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 10:50 PM
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404. He is entitled to his positions, I'm not inclined to agree with much.
We don't all see with the same pair of eyes or process what we perceive with the same mind.

Clooney seems a thoughtful sort, it would seem like he'd see our problems are not only beyond the ability of machine politics to solve but would also understand machine politics contributes to many of our issues.
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