President Obama will be the Democrats leader in the 2012 elections

[Peacetrain]

There will be no primary.

The 2012 election cycle for the Democrats will kick off with Thursdays speech.

I am hoping for a broad based infrastructure building goverment jobs program to help with our builders.

We have had a very steep cut in goverment jobs.

For many minority communities, their professional graduates start in goverment.

When the republicans got the state power in 2010 to cut all the goverment jobs.. it does impact total numbers and it is harsh... it scares the bejeebus out of those not willing to look at what is happening.

And even if we get a huge infrastructure program through in 2012.. it will be years and years before many many professionals get even close to full employment again.

The public sector job community was pretty safe till the republicans got their hands on it.

As I have said more than once.. the President saved the private sector.. he will be called on to help with the public sector.

But this is something everyone has to get on board with.. People have to support their state legislators by going out to vote and not sitting at home.

Somehow we have to get that message out. Voting has to be more than a once a four year cycle.

Edit to add..

Unrec to your hearts content.. it does not change the truth

[coalition_unwilling]

1. I'm hoping Obama announces he will not seek, nor will he accept,

the Dem nomination in 2012, thereby getting out of the way so a real champion of the working class can have a chance.

[TwilightGardener]

3. LOL.

[Peacetrain]

4. Not happening.. not in this lifetime or the next

:rofl:

[coalition_unwilling]

12. I'm sure people like you were saying the same about LBJ before

January 30, 1968 (date of the Tet Offensive). All it took was for Eugene McCarthy to come close to beating LBJ in the New Hampshire primary and LBJ was done.

You might want to read this: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters

[Peacetrain]

16. Not happening.. no matter how much you want it to.. it is NOT happening

[coalition_unwilling]

17. We'll see if you maintain that stance when the national unemployment

rate reaches 10% by December of 2011.

N.B. U6, the broadest measure of unemployment, increased from 16.1% to 16.2% in August, even though U2, the standard used for media reporting, stayed the same.

[Peacetrain]

19. Not happening.. the Democratic Party is not going to primary Obama

It is not going to happen.

Employment in the private sector has grown for 15 straight months.. During the 8 Bush years it was basically a zero gain'

What has killed us is the losses in government jobs.

That truth is that since 2010 is has been an all out push to depress the job market any way possible.. It is the only hope of the republicans. They got their people out there by hook or by crook and got the state houses.

The President needs to go big.. no matter what he puts up.. it will be opposed by the republicans and their minions..

We may be a 9% unemployment rate at election.. but if the opportunity to grow the infrastructure is in place.. and the only way to accomplish it is to vote the republicans out.

Things could be a pretty shade of blue next Nov.

[coalition_unwilling]

23. I think you're typing too fast, such that you are writing exactly the

opposite of what you intend.

For example, you write that "Unemployment in the private sector has grown for 15 straight months . . . " when I think you meant to write that 'Employment in the private sector . . ."

I agree that Obama will not be primaried, at least as things look right now. However, that's not what I said I was hoping for. What I said I was hoping for is that Obama would take himself out of the race, much like LBJ did back in 1968.

If Obama did get out of the way, it would create a space for a true progressive like Feingold or Cuomo to step up to the plate and rescue the workign class from Fascism lite.

[Peacetrain]

27. Thanks for the heads up.. I was typing too fast

I was alive and kicking for the LBJ step back.. and it was nothing like today.

And there is no way Obama is going to do what LBJ did.. different time.. different needs.. a draft that had people into the military against their wills.

[Autumn]

5. I agree.

That would be the best thing to happen.

[jenmito]

18. Really? And just what would this great replacement Dem. get passed through Congress that

Obama couldn't?

[Autumn]

21. Perhaps we could get a great replacement Dem.

that isn't hung up on this stupid quest for bipartisanship. Or someone that is willing to stand against pukes instead of praising them every chance he gets.

[CakeGrrl]

26. In other words, you can't or won't answer the question.

What does it actually MEAN to not be "hung up on this stupid quest for bipartisanship"?

How does that translate to working with Congress in its current makeup?

What actual ACTIONS do people see this "replacement" doing that will advance Progressive interests, not just hop on a soapbox with PRETTY WORDS, with the Tea Party-infused congress and the likes of Boehner, Cantor, DeMint and McConnell to deal with?

[Autumn]

28. That was my answer, everything he does he does,

he starts out with a bipartisan position. What that means is all we get is what is approved by the republican party. I can respect someone who puts forth an effort to get something done. But to keep working with and trotting out the same old shitty policies that got us into this mess is never going to get us out.

[jenmito]

42. In other words, you have no answer to what this "replacement" would be able to get

through Congress that Obama couldn't. Thanks for playing.

[Autumn]

45. I SAID I hope he doesn't run. No I don't have a fucking replacement

in mind, I just don't want to vote for him again. I'm sure there must be another Democrat somewhere who wouldn't be so willing to compromise to continue the same old shit. You really need a new talking point and better snark cause your same old is getting rather tiresome.

[jenmito]

46. You agreed with the poster who said s/he hopes Obama won't run so that

"a real champion of the working class can have a chance." A chance to do WHAT knowing the Congress we have?

[Autumn]

47. A President who goes along with the other party is not

going to get a damn thing done, no matter what Congress we have.

[jenmito]

48. OHHH-so the other party was for the repeal of DADT, for the Lilly Ledbetter Act, and for

"Obamacare" as the other party calls it? Thanks for "clarifying." :rofl:

[Autumn]

49. Have a nice day n/t

[jenmito]

51. I will, especially knowing that I won this argument. n/t

[Autumn]

52. You won nothing. You proved nothing.

:rofl: You have an opinion and nothing else except for a nasty way of expressing your opinion. Just like I have an opinion that I would like to see Obama not run for the nomination. If we had been having an argument and you won I would have changed my mind, and nothing YOU will ever say will change my mind.

[jenmito]

57. I sure did. You know why? Because instead of answering my question, you

gave up. It's not an opinion to ask you what I asked you (which stated facts about a few things Obama signed into law), and for you not to have an answer. I won. ;)

[Autumn]

61. Play your game. There is a hell of a lot at risk here in

our Country and it goes well beyond your little good list that you carry. There is a lot of bad on a list that you prefer to ignore that carries on Bushs policies, and IMO that is the problem. This is way beyond your admiration for one person. Now I'm done with you.

[Sheepshank]

44. ignore...wrong spot

n/t

[CakeGrrl]

7. Dream on.

It's going to be interesting (and hopefully less Freeper-esque) when POTUS is the Dem nominee.

[coalition_unwilling]

13. Is that a veiled slander of me as 'Freeper-esque'? If so, I'm

probably the first Dem Socialist Freeper in the history of the known universe. I was called a 'RW troll' on another thread this morning for uttering a similar sentiment.

You might want to read this: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters

[jefferson_dem]

8. Ha. You wish!

:rofl:

[ibegurpard]

24. I do

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[jefferson_dem]

32. Proudly concocting countless ways to smear a Democratic president = "principles"

:eyes:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. Principles is another word for

narcisist.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

33. Living in the land of make believe?

[coalition_unwilling]

37. About as make believe as this:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters

Read it and weep.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

39. Read it already

It's an effing joke.

[dionysus]

41. ROFL

:spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray:

[JTFrog]

54. And I'm hoping that

this board gets an enema once Obama is the official nominee.

I think the odds are in my favor.

[Rosco T.]

60. Delusional much?

[TwilightGardener]

2. I agree--K and an R for you.

[Peacetrain]

6. Thanks..

Busy busy busy today

[MattSh]

9. Why does he have to wait until the 2012 elections to lead?

Just asking...

:shrug:

[Autumn]

25. Because he campaigns so well

would be my guess.

[nevergiveup]

10. K&R for the truth

[MrMickeysMom]

11. I will assume you are holding your breath on that...

So, try not to get hypoxemic.

[Beacool]

14. Yep, and more's the pity.

No serious Democrat is going to primary the first AA president. It would be political suicide.

:shrug:

[CakeGrrl]

15. Your old fallback - "because he's BLACK!"

Yeah, yeah...that's why Oprah backed HIM instead of Hillary, right? And you'll never forgive her (or anyone else who preferred Obama over Hillary as we well know).

Would you be making the EQUIVALENT argument that people would be afraid to primary the first FEMALE or the first LGBT president on the same grounds that they'd risk seriously angering and alienating those demographics?

What am I saying? That would apply to Hillary - you'll never hold her to the standards you apply to Obama. Don't even bother trying to say so.

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[Beacool]

30. What does Oprah have to do with this?

But since you mention it........Do you honestly think that Oprah would have broken her previous no endorsement rule if Obama had been caucasian? As you said, don't bother to respond.

As for someone primarying the first woman president, it would probably apply in that case too. No one is going to seriously primary the "first" president, whether he/she be black, gay or a woman.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

20. Wow-STILL bitter? Would you be saying something about no serious Dem. primarying

Hillary, the first WOMAN president? Sorry you won't get the chance to find out. :shrug:

[Beacool]

31. If Hillary were president there might have been no calls to primary her.

Pity we won't find out. In the meantime, we are stuck with Obama for better or worse.

;-)

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

35. Coulda woulda shoulda.

Remember the Clintons pushed NAFTA which was the start of our job exports.

[Beacool]

38. Globalization was going to happen either way.

Look around the world, it's not just the USA.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

40. Or she might have been impeached.

Pity we won't find out. We have President OBAMA who is making our country better in many ways. And Hillary is loyally working for him in his administration.
;)

[Beacool]

58. That's your opinion.

:shrug:

[JTFrog]

55. Typical.

[Beacool]

59. Whatever is that supposed to mean?

:eyes:

[butterfly77]

36. Kicked&Recommended...

[jefferson_dem]

43. Yeah baby!

Ready for DEMOCRATIC victory, up and down the ballot, in 2012!

[bemildred]

50. I think you were off by three days.

It was kicked off with todays speech.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. There will be a Primary, although probably no challenger to

Obama, there most certainly will be a Primary, and it is very important to say so, and to doubly motivate those elusive 'I only show for O' voters to vote in the primary round on all issues and for the Democratic candidates of their choice for the freaking HOUSE, which we need to win. To win we need to nominate good candidates and maintain high turn out in each and every election.
I understand your intention, but to say 'there will be no Primary' is incorrect, and teaches readers that those candidates we need in Congress are not worth their time, and that is, no offense, what got some States so messed up and messed up the House.
Two elections in the cycle. Unchallenged incumbent does not alter that. Those who only show for O can screw the pooch for all of us again.
Oregon Democratic Primary, Tuesday May 15 2012 last day to submit your ballots. Be there or be square. Don't only show for O.

[Cosmocat]

63. GOOD POINTS!

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[WI_DEM]

62. What you say is true, he will be renominated. He will not be primaried and

we will have to work to re-elect him. but I hope he will now be tougher on the GOP and really fight for this job program even if the house won't support it.