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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:09 AM
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So, A Half Dozen Threads About 27% Of Democrats Want To "Primary" Obama
Then again, 20% of dentists recommend sugary gum.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:12 AM
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1. Yeah, it was the headline in a RW email that I received this morning, too. It's a worthless...
...statistic, mainly because it's not going to happen.

NGU.

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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:14 AM
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2. Funny How You Can Always Find RW Talking Points Here First nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:15 AM
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3. The trolls work all the angles, don't they?
NGU.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:47 AM
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5. Isn't it, though?
And funny how you can always find right-wing talking points verbatim on FireDogLake, etcetera.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:40 AM
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16. Funny as hell, ain't it?
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:13 AM
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14. Could you post that email?
Also, why are you getting so many RW emails?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 11:35 AM
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4. Not to mention they have no one in mind
And there is no one who has been suggested who is even interested.

And the fact that it does not do what they think it will do:

http://www.aquariusmoon.info/whitehouse/


The Empty Primary: Primarying Obama
By CarolDuhart@Aquariusmoon, on August 20th, 2011

There’s a reason why there have only been two Democratic Presidents in the last 30 years. There’s this persistent belief that primarying a President is going to force him to the left. That if we primary him, he will pay attention to the left and bring about the liberal utopia. When that doesn’t work, we then run a third party no-hoper like Nader in the hope that it would send a message. Then the next 4-8 years are spent complaining about the Republican who wins in the end. The Republicans did it twice: 1976 and 1992, and learned their lesson. There was actually no drumbeat of “primary Bush” at all, even among those who wondered where the emphasis on social conservatism went.

Why doesn’t it work? Victory depends upon attracting swing voters who really don’t pay all that much attention to intra-party issues. When a President runs again, the President is in the General Election mode from the start and has to defend a record. So, it’s his actions, not his ideology, that’s most important this time around. To swing voters, there’s no advantage in intra-party ideology. They, not the party base, will determine the President’s fate. Swing voters are either further to the left, or right, of the party base, and often on differing issues than that base. So a party challenge on issues that are often obscure to swing voters leads to an image of confusion and disarray, not clarity.

Voters wonder why a party who happily elected a President four years ago would suddenly turn on him for seemingly minor reasons. If he was good enough to elect, why isn’t he good enough to defend?

Right now, the Republican meme is to spread a meme of Presidential weakness and Progressive disillusionment. Why? It’s clear that the Republican opponents to Obama have big, glaring weaknesses of temperament that will make them a hard sell to moderates and swing voters. Not to mention that at least two candidates will not solidify the Republican base at all. Michele Bachmann appeals to the base, but the Republican Party isn’t going to gamble with nominating a woman-especially a woman who has never won statewide, a fatal flaw in a Presidential candidate. It’s the same flaw that dooms a Dennis Kucinich or an Alan Grayson-the inability to at least bring a state’s votes. Romney is a Mormon, a denomination that many orthodox Republican Christians think is at best a mysterious cult. Voter suppression may not really work: activists are paying attention to the methods and are working around those methods, and with OFA on the ground, there will be real help for the suppressed. Also, Obama still has strong approval ratings among the base: 55% Conservative Democrats, 85% among African-American, and Liberal Democrats 83%, and when you consider who the alternatives would be, you could easily add 10% more in actual votes. Faced with the possible loss of a lot of Conservative-leaning moderate votes, the only hope is that the Democrats stay home.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:20 AM
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17. The republican meme is to spread a meme of progressive
disillusionment Hmmmmm. I guess there is some credence to that story.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 12:03 PM
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6. I must finally have my ignore list set up well
I see none of those threads at this time.

I never used it at all for years. Then I set it up and cleared it every three months or so in case I dumped someone on there just out of spite but I noticed it was the same list of users back on it within the next week or so.

Right now I've got about a dozen people on there and I keep the 15 or 20 that I ignored before they got themselves tombstoned just to remind myself that I'm not the only one that notices them.
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 12:12 PM
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7. The "Ignore" feature is the best characteristic of DU
My reading pleasure, here, has increased enormously.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 03:32 PM
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8. It would be nice if people would link their bitch posts to the original
half a dozen posts so that the rest of us could read them and decide what we thought about it.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:04 PM
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9. It Doesn't Take Sherlock Holmes To Find 'Em nt
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 05:41 PM
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10. Getting the nomination is not the same as getting elected.
Obama needs his base,and he has pretty much lost them.

Logically he can't make up the difference from independents and moderates, many of whom are right leaning and so will not vote for him.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 07:02 PM
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 06:55 PM
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11. ROTFLMAO.....
:spray:
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:12 AM
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13. Wow.
You thought that was clever enough for its own thread.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:15 AM
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15. +1
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:51 PM
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19. As Opposed to Flinging Poop In Other's Threads?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:25 AM
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18. Obama needs to get his approval numbers up
or it won't matter if there's a primary challenger or not.
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