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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:10 PM
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Libya should not become another Iraq
Listening to sound bites being played by corporate media on Libya made by SOC and Defense Secretary
I can't help but think about Iraq.

No fly zone was introduced in Iraq during the Clinton administration and it was suppose to be for
a short period, now fast-forward to present day Iraq and you begin to get the picture.

Hearing that NATO has decided to extend their no fly zone reminds me of how the no fly zone was
started in Iraq from the South and was later extended to the North, this all happened before
America elected an obsessive pResident who was looking to avenger his father.

Could we be facing the same prospect?? I sure hope not.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:17 PM
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1. We've already gone through this and seen the ending of the story.
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 04:19 PM by dkf
Doing it all over again is crazy.

This is like one of those movies where you try to go back in the past and do it over to change the outcome.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:17 PM
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2. It already is. This is the opening chapter.
Both products brought to us by Clintons, DLC

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:23 PM
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3. The No fly zone in Iraq was established in 1991 by Bush Sr, the French, and Brits..
The Southern NO Fly Zone to the 32nd parallel was established in December 1992 by Bush Sr.

It was expanded to the 33rd paralle in 1996 by Clinton.

This was not brought to us by Clinton and the DLC, unless Bush Sr. was a member of the DLC. The DLC has many faults, but the no fly zone in Iraq was not their baby.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:21 PM
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6. You're right in part.
My snarky post needs a little editing. But the whole devastating charade is a bi-partisan, if you can call it that, charade.

Bush need not be a member of the DLC anymore than either Clinton needs to be a member of the Heritage Foundation. In fact they can't. It would unsettle the Good Cop - Bad Cop psy-op.

They get into office and hire an interior decorator to make a few changes. But they serve the same masters, and it ain't We the People.

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:06 PM
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7. We are an empire, and Imperial policy dictates foreign policy... n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:25 PM
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4. Top Ten Ways that Libya 2011 is Not Iraq 2003
http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/top-ten-ways-that-libya-2011-is-not-iraq-2003.html


Here are the differences between George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the current United Nations action in Libya:

1. The action in Libya was authorized by the United Nations Security Council. That in Iraq was not. By the UN Charter, military action after 1945 should either come as self-defense or with UNSC authorization. Most countries in the world are signatories to the charter and bound by its provisions.

2. The Libyan people had risen up and thrown off the Qaddafi regime, with some 80-90 percent of the country having gone out of his hands before he started having tank commanders fire shells into peaceful crowds. It was this vast majority of the Libyan people that demanded the UN no-fly zone. In 2002-3 there was no similar popular movement against Saddam Hussein.

3. There was an ongoing massacre of civilians, and the threat of more such massacres in Benghazi, by the Qaddafi regime, which precipitated the UNSC resolution. Although the Saddam Hussein regime had massacred people in the 1980s and early 1990s, nothing was going on in 2002-2003 that would have required international intervention.


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SparkyOR Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:26 PM
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5. Libya...another Iraq
Definition of insanity, doing the same thing again, expecting different results... something like that.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:06 PM
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8. Well, for one thing, they don't have a sectarian problem
They have tribal problems and they're going to have real problems of secularism versus theocracy, but that's not the same. They're also a very small population; their population is only 2/3rds of what Los Angeles County's is.

They're in a somewhat more peaceful part of the world, too, although that's damning the place with feint praise.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:03 PM
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9. Fighting a war in Libya with borrowed money from China
Only in America! :spank:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:28 PM
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10. "Listening to sound bites"
.... and there's the problem.

READ something ... read reporting, READ what the White House has said on the matter. If you allow the MSM to screw with your brain then they will.
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