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PVnRT
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Tue Mar-22-11 10:50 AM Original message |
The President does not need Congressional approval to act on a UNSC resolution |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Do you have a link to the "such special agreement"? nt. |
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PVnRT
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Tue Mar-22-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. "pursuant to" |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Under that section, there must be an agreement pursuant to Article 43 of the U.N. Charter, which |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I'm not sure that's accurate. |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No, it's correct |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Ok, let's assume for the sake of argument that the Security Council Resolution |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. What |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No clue, and probably none pursuant to Section 6 (because I don't think an Article 43 |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Tue Mar-22-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. What is the source of that quote you've been cut n pasting for two days |
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SanchoPanza
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Wed Mar-23-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
39. That makes no sense. |
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Hosnon
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Wed Mar-23-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. |
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SanchoPanza
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Wed Mar-23-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I still think you're misreading it. |
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Hosnon
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Let me clarify something regarding my position here: |
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Vattel
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Thu Mar-24-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Given that you are clearly intelligent and good with arguments, |
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Hosnon
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Thu Mar-24-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Thanks. |
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Vattel
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Thu Mar-24-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. A few points: |
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PurityOfEssence
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. They certainly could have worded it better, but it means that Authorization is required |
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Clio the Leo
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. and there you go. nt |
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PurityOfEssence
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Fri Mar-25-11 03:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
54. Except that this is wrong. He's in violation; here's something from the U.C. Berkeley Law School... |
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MNBrewer
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. Tile? |
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starroute
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Looks like a scanner error -- should be "to the President" |
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dennis4868
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. please get your facts out of here.... |
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SkyDaddy7
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Thu Mar-24-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Made a mistake...However, YES these STUPID FACTS do take... |
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PurityOfEssence
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Why? Because they prove you wrong? The UN does not claim this right of control. |
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littlewolf
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
8. and yet candidate Obama had this to say in 07 |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. What does that have |
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littlewolf
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. didn't shrub do the same thing ? |
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jeff47
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes, when the UN authorizes force, that means the president can go ahead and use force |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. The U.N. did |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Bush explicitly sought UN approval for the invasion, and was rebuffed |
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PurityOfEssence
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Yes, but he DID get Authorization from Congress |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Bush got authorization from Congress, to be sure |
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Wed Mar-23-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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jeff47
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. And yet he didn't unilaterally authorize anything |
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14thColony
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. And future senator John Blutarsky... |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. What part of 'unilaterally' do you not understand? |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. UN authorized actions are multilateral, not unilateral |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I read Obama's quote as being in the context of the federal government. |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Well, you'd be wrong about that |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I disagree based on the whole quote: |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. He was making the point |
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Hosnon
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Tue Mar-22-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. |
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Vattel
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Thu Mar-24-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. You are obviously correct about this |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
13. You've actualy made an own argument against the title of your OP. |
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TomClash
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Tue Mar-22-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
14. Here is the full text of Section 6 |
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starroute
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. Here's some stuff on executive agreements that may be helpful |
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
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ProSense
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Tue Mar-22-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. "This is an illegal act." Actually, |
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PurityOfEssence
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Wed Mar-23-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Grotesquely wrong once again; unless attacked, he needs Congressional Authorization or a Declaration |
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Tue Mar-22-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
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GeorgeGist
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Tue Mar-22-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. Cherry picker ... |
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Phx_Dem
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Wed Mar-23-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
42. And you'd think Dennis the Menace would have the brains to do a little |
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ReggieVeggie
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Wed Mar-23-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Maybe you could point out to me where Dennis went on TV a said that |
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MNBrewer
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
47. Is Barack Obama's Libya intervention a flip-flop from what he said in 2007? |
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vaberella
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. No, because they are two different things on two different situations. |
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OhioBlue
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Fri Mar-25-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. sooooo.... as a candidate he made a statement |
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dennis4868
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Thu Mar-24-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
52. Only because we have a black.... |
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PurityOfEssence
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Fri Mar-25-11 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
55. The part you quote proves you wrong, but if you show ALL of Section 6, it is even clearer |
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