6 million jobs recovered by the 2012 Election.

[Badfish]

200,000 every month till the election.

Is it possible ?

Could it be more ?

[bluestateguy]

1. I dewn't know

But if every month's jobs report from now until election day comes out like last week's, then Obama will be just fine.

[jschurchin]

2. Is it possible ?

Sure, anythings possible. Is it probable? I really don't think so, especially with the price of oil skyrocketing.

Here's the thing, an $8/hr job means you make $16,640 a year before taxes. $9/hr, $18,720. $10/hr, $20,800. They are jobs, and they are better then nothing, but don't confuse them with the type of jobs this nation needs to bring us into a solid recovery. Unfortunately, most of the better job's have, thanks to our spineless lawmakers, gone to countries like China, India, VietNam, etc. because of the slave wages and condition's their workers toil under. However, the American based companies reap HUGE profits by NOT employing Americans.

Until this basic tenant is changed we will continue to see job growth, however, that growth will be at McDonald's, WalMart, Target and the like. None of which pay enough to lead anything but the most meager of existences.

[woo me with science]

10. One out of four American children in poverty now. No, we don't see good jobs coming back.

No, families are not rebounding.

Recovery my ass.

[Badfish]

12. well.

If I asked you if going from losing 700,000 jobs a month to gaining 200,000 a month is a recovery in action , you would say no.

How about going from negative GDP growth to positive GDP growth ? ...is that progress ?

What the fuck is going on ? ...these are indicators of one of the fastest recoveries in our history.

Tell me , ....what indicators should we look at to judge if a recovery is happening ?

[woo me with science]

13. How about children coming out of poverty instead of sinking into it?

How about a recovery of REAL jobs with benefits, that support families?

You know, at a certain point you anger people by constantly touting a recovery that they are not experiencing in their own lives. Denying the pain of others is not the way to convince them to vote for you. You have to start showing by your actions that you understand what ordinary people are experiencing, which is that the corporate buddies you are installing into your own administration are slowly sucking their pensions, their savings, and their very livelihoods from them.

People are looking for actions that show a real comprehension of and concern about what is happening to them. They are looking for action that acknowledges and promises to change the larger structure that is bleeding them to death. They are looking for someone to be honest about what is happening to American families, instead of relentless cheering about stock market gains that do not affect them and thousands of new McJobs without benefits that will only entrench them in poverty.

[Badfish]

14. I guess I can ask again.

Tell me , ....what indicators should we look at to judge if a recovery is happening ?

[woo me with science]

15. I told you.

Recovery of jobs that will actually sustain families.

Numbers of children and families in poverty decline instead of increasing.

Show me that the gap between the rich and the poor is narrowing. Show me that the middle class is rebounding and that people are able to support their families, secure their futures, and save again.

Is that too hard?

I am telling you something important here. You can argue all you want, but if you are really interested in getting people to listen to you, then you need to listen to them, also. What I am telling you is that when you crow about the addition of thousands of jobs that everyone agrees are largely low-wage, minimal benefit McJobs, you insult the people you are trying to fool into being grateful for them.

[ClarkUSA]

3. Republicans are doing everything in their power to make this NOT happen to boost their 2012 chances.

On a side note, did you notice that they tried to take credit for the great jobs report that came out last Friday, which had the best private sector job growth in three years (according to Salon)?

[Badfish]

8. Ya , I noticed.

They pointed at the bush tax cuts as the reason ....as if the cuts haven't been in place for the last 10 years.

Ya, the jobs created last month were a result of the tax cuts from 2003.

[golfguru]

29. Republicans had Zilch power before election 2010

[jtuck004]

4. No. The math is wrong

200K each month till election
130K needed to employ people newly entering the job market (per the head of the BLS in Congressional Hearings).

Leaves 70,000 to "recover".

21 months x 70K would be 1,470,000.

And from information posted on DU it looks like much of that creation is home health aide and do-you-want-fries-with-that jobs.

Leaving a whole lot of people for whom life, even though they may be working hard every day, is significantly harder than it used to be.

But historically we have NEVER created that many jobs per month, year-in and year-out, per BLS data. Then again, Dollar General has never had such great expansion plans.

[Badfish]

5. My math isn't wrong.

That 130K needed to employ new people have to be created , and thus counted.

[jtuck004]

9. Those aren't for people who have LOST their jobs, and thus

not part of the RECOVERY of anything lost. By definition.

But if someone is desperate to count anything, by all means, go ahead.

[Badfish]

11. Well , perhaps the people who have lost their jobs...

are finding one in the 160K

Either way , if 130K is needed to keep up with new workers , then the 130K is still created to meet the demand. The jobs are still created.

Are you saying the first 130K are not created when a job report of 200,000 comes in ?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Go to the Randi Rhodes' thread where people claim that Obama is not a change agent.

Change didn't come quickly enough for the whiners. Obama/The Dems are just as bad as the Republicans/Teabaggers. That's why they didn't vote.

Whatever!

Obama is doing a fantastic job! Onward to victory in 2012...

[obamafourmore]

7. These people are a joke. They live in some fantasy land.

Come 2012 they will march to the polls and vot for Obama.

[politicasista]

16. +1 n/t

[BobbyBoring]

17. The fly in the ointment is

Housing. The construction industry is for the most part DEAD. No homes being built = plumbers, carpenters, electricians, dry wall hangers, landscapers, etc out of work. With countless foreclosures looming, this will get worser not betterer.

I know once prosperous realtors in my area that are driving cabs. HEY wait a tick! Maybe those cab drivers that are making 20.00 a day are counted in the "New jobs" that are driving our "Recovery".

It's all smoke and mirrors folks~

[libmom74]

18. The New

Democrat (bulls eye D) people don't get it. You can explain that by manipulating the numbers to make everything seem peachy king, constantly pointing out how wonderful Wall Street is doing and counting $8/hr benefit free McJobs really isn't helping people out and isn't going to bring people running to the polls in 2012 but if Obama happens to lose it will be all the ungrateful whiney liberals fault (it is interesting how we are in the minority most of the time unless the Dems suffer losses).

[Badfish]

19. I am now begging...

Please point out the indicators we should be looking at to judge a recovery ...

I keep asking.

[jschurchin]

21. How about this Badfish

An increase in household income adjusted for inflation. From my favorite economist John Williams:

"If you look at the government’s latest statistics - the poverty survey of 2009, which is the most recent release, with average and median household income adjusted for inflation (and they use a really gimmick low inflation rate with that one) - it shows that not only has household income been falling the last year or two, but it’s below its near-term peak before the 2001 recession. Household income has not recovered above that, and if you use the CPI-U (the usual inflation rate to deflate that by instead of the gimmick one) it shows that household income today is below where it was in 1973.

You keep mentioning GDP, CPI, Unemployment Rate, as indications of growth. But according to John and MANY other economists, these are flawed statistics in the way they are calculated, i.e.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

You will notice, at the link, that inflation, as measured by the pre-Clinton era adjustment is hovering around 8.5%. Which most people will agree, is closer to the actual prices we have been seeing lately, instead of the "official" propaganda of 1.5%. CPI=Inflation Rate.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

At this link you will find Three unemployment lines. First is "official". Which, by the way, doesn't count among others, people that have given up looking. Second is U-6, which is people that want full time employment and the marginally employed plus part timers. Third is the Original unemployment calculation, which counts ALL Americans who are no longer employed. "official" 8.9%, U-6 15.9%, Original 21.5%.

But, for me, the real kicker is this. Debt to GDP ratio. This post is from Jan 2010, but it is scary:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/01/us-will-hit-94-debt-to-gdp-ratio-next.html

Next, from CNBC, the "official" mouthpiece of "All Is Well"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959/The_World_s_Biggest_Debtor_Nations?slide=2

And how about Blomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/geithner-quietly-tells-obama-debt-to-gnp-cost-poised-to-increase-to-record.html

I am not sure what planet you live on Badfish, but on mine, things are not well, and are rapidly getting worse.

[woo me with science]

23. Spot on post. nt

[Badfish]

24. Well , I already see a problem..

"I am not sure what planet you live on Badfish, but on mine, things are not well, and are rapidly getting worse."

We were losing 700,000 jobs a month , we are now gaining 200,000 a month , I don't know what planet YOU live on , but in my world this indicator is not "rapidly getting worse"

We had negative GDP growth , we now have positive growth month after month , are you telling me this is the wrong direction ? ... and that things are "rapidly getting worse"

For some reason the usual indicators used to determine if a recovery is taking place can't be used on this one , otherwise it would destroy your argument I suppose.

[jschurchin]

28. Badfish, did you work for Enron?

Just wondering.

[golfguru]

31. When somebody will make an offer on our house

that will be the surest indicator to me. The house will be on
market for $80,000 under assessor's valuation of $277,000.

[Badfish]

20. I love this quote from you...

The new Democrat (bulls eye D) people don't get it.

Yep , you cracked the code.

Holy fucking shit.

Einstein called , he wants his brain back. :rofl:

[great white snark]

22. Notice how you are a Democrat and they are the "Liberals?"

A lot of purity test with us or against us sentiment lately.

[golfguru]

30. You got that pretty much right

There are 7 homes for sale in my sub-division and none have sold in many months!
We will put our home on market in May for $80,000 less than assessor's valuation
because we have to move to another city.

[GeorgeGist]

25. dog walkers?

[GeorgeGist]

26. not with Obama as president

[Fire1]

27. Really? n/t