remember when obama was talking about repealing the shrub tax cuts EARLY, at least for the rich?

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seems so long ago.

[Enrique]

1. it was a long time ago

it was before Nov. 23, 2008

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x561055

Source: Reuters
Nov. 23, 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama may consider delaying an election promise - to roll back tax cuts on high-income Americans - as part of his economic recovery strategy, a senior aide and an adviser said on Sunday.

David Axelrod, one of Obama's closest confidants chosen to be a senior White House adviser, was asked if the tax cut could be ended later than Obama called for during the campaign. "Considerations will be made," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4AM1F1200 ...

[leveymg]

2. Axelrod: "Considerations will be made." Aren't they always for the rich?

[pnwmom]

3. Remember when we had 60 Senators and a majority of Congresspeople

always willing to do Obama's bidding?

Only in our dreams. In fact, we never had 60 Democratic votes, because Lieberman wasn't a Democrat. And several of the Democrats, from red States, could never be counted on for a progressive vote.

But it's so much easier just to blame Obama for everything.

[Lasher]

5. Yes, it's true that Congressional Democrats share the blame.

That doesn't make Obama blameless. Not by a long shot. All he had to do was nothing and the tax cuts would have expired.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. That Would Have Broke His Promise Not To Raise Taxes On The Middle Class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U&NR=1

[Lasher]

15. So instead he's breaking his promise to end the tax cuts for households above $250K.

So he breaks a promise either way. Campaign promises notwithstanding, letting all the Bush tax cuts expire would have been better than Obama's deal. And he could have achieved that by just doing nothing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Either Way He's Breaking His Promise

Relate it to your own life.

Would you be more upest with a person who promised you one thousand dollars and didn't give it to you or the man who promised to take away one thousand dollars from your rich neighbor but decided not to...

[Lasher]

21. I would be most upset at the person who gave me a thousand and my neighbor a hundred thousand

then shut off all my utilities because we couldn't afford to give money to either me or my neighbor.

[pnwmom]

27. The vast majority of middle and lower class Americans want

their income taxes NOT to go up on January 1. He couldn't satisfy everybody.

He never once said during the campaign that he would veto a bill extending tax cuts for everyone. He made it abundantly clear that that's not what he supported, but he never said he would veto such a bill. So he hasn't broken any promise.

[Lasher]

35. The vast majority wants magic ice cream that makes them rich and beautiful.

Now that's pretzel logic if I ever saw it: He said he wouldn't extend the Bush tax cuts for households making more than $250K, but he never specifically said he wouldn't sign a bill that does exactly that. Promise kept, ta da! LOL

[Donnachaidh]

6. It's much easier for Obama tro make deals behind CLOSED DOORS

Than to push the majority he was GIVEN by the voters. Chicago politics, backroom deals -- all to the benefit of the elites he serves, not the voters who gave HIM his job.

[chimpymustgo]

In a NUTSHELL.

[chimpymustgo]

11. In a NUTSHELL.

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[jenmito]

9. It's ALSO completely plausible that that's all in your mind. n/t

[zulchzulu]

13. I also heard that space aliens work at McDonalds and Value Meals are made of human flesh

I must be true!


:crazy:

[onenote]

22. with whom did he cut this secret deal?

And how exactly, if it was a secret deal, did it prevent Democrats from enacting legislation to repeal the tax cuts?

[COLGATE4]

25. I'm afraid that I really agree with you. It really is a "one trick Pony"

[JoePhilly]

30. Yea, he probably cut this alleged secret deal while still a Kenyan citizen ...

And only shortly before when, at the age of 7, he used his big-wheel as the get-a-way vehicle when William Ayers blew up the pentagon.

[jenmito]

7. Remember when the Senate failed to get the votes to get that done?

It was less than two weeks ago.

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12. the was a vote about NOT EXTENDING them, not REPEALING them EARLY

how far we've drifted!

[jenmito]

14. Why DIDN'T Congress vote to repeal them then? I don't remember Obama ever saying

he wanted to REPEAL the tax cuts for the rich. Got a link?

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19. it was a MAJOR campaign promise.

In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama called for repealing the tax cuts for the rich in 2010, a year before they would otherwise expire. But once in office, he quietly set aside that promise because of the recession, proposing to let them lapse in 2011 as the original law provided. Now, administration officials say, the economy is recovering enough that by next year higher taxes for the wealthiest households will not be an economic risk.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15taxes.html

[jenmito]

23. I wanted a link of OBAMA saying he wanted to repeal the tax cuts for the rich.

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24. here's one, although in fairness he does say "probably"

The promise dates back to the earliest days of Barack Obama's presidential campaign. "Obama Calls for the Repeal of Bush Tax Cuts" was the headline in the Feb. 22, 2007, Des Moines Register. Speaking to more than 2,000 Iowans at a town hall rally, Obama said, "Some of the tax breaks George Bush gave to the wealthiest Americans, I probably would roll back . . . One of those things that politics is dishonest about is pretending there's a free lunch."

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/15/obamas-first-post-election-crisis-can-he-appear-strong-on-tax/

[jenmito]

26. "...I probably would roll back..."

"Roll back" doesn't mean "repeal." And "probably" IS a qualifier. He didn't know he couldn't get enough votes to let them expire, let alone "repealing" them.

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34. see post #33

[pnwmom]

29. "Called for" does not mean "promised." Check your dictionary.

He strongly made his preference clear, but Congress refused to follow his lead.

[displacedvermoter]

31. Lots of "called fors" on that list of "achievements" that keep

floating around here. Do those not count, therefore?

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32. sorry. it was a major campaign talking point.

not a promise.

i have a dictionary, but we all know that the language of politics is not the language of a logician.
so i'm not sure if your point has any significance.

poppy bush said "read my lips. no new taxes." that sounds like he's "calling for" no new taxes, not "promising" anything. in fact, it technically calls for a ban on the introduction of NEW taxes, i.e., no widening of the tax bsae or taxing previously untaxed goods and services. it says nothing about raising or not raising existing taxes. yet he got excoriated for breaking a campaign promise.

[pnwmom]

28. No one is repealing them early! What are you talking about? n/t

[valerief]

10. That was four or five hopes away from now. nt

[DrToast]

16. No.

When was this?

[jenmito]

17. I asked for a link and got crickets so far. n/t

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20. see post #19

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33. link from the campaign:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in
the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the taxes they have
received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal
responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s.