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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:14 PM
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David Stockman smacked the living crap out of phony Religious Reichist Mike Pence on ABC News
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 10:01 PM by zulchzulu
On today's installment of ABCs This Week with Christiane Ananpour, Mike Pence (who I think looks like a Central Casting actor as a pedophile priest) went into a debate with David Stockman, who was the budget director for President Ronald Reagan.

You'd think debate? Apparently, Pence is hinting at running for President and was injecting his Religious Reichist mantras as signals for those who are heavily into mystical superstitions and the treasure trove of hateful homophobic, racist and anti-science views that he might be their man. But back to the "debate".

Wow. It was a smackdown.

Here's a bit of the transcript. First, the disgusting suck-up to the Religious Haters...

AMANPOUR: Very quickly: Would you run for president?

PENCE: Well, look, we've been very humbled by the encouragement we've received back in Indiana and around the country. And we're intent on taking the coming weeks to really prayerfully consider that, to wait on the Lord, to seek counsel. And after the first of the year, we'll make a decision.


http://www.aifestival.org/includes/ideas_festival/image...

Stockman, sitting next to this two-bit theocrat, was wondering why he had to sit next to this clown. Stockman launched the first direct-hit missle into the broadsides of the likes of Pence and Republicans in general...

AMANPOUR: Still is, OK. Well, we're going to ask about his economic philosophy with the man who engineered it. Well, so, David Stockman, former budget director, you have basically said that Tuesday gave voice and gave further voice to what you call the big lie.

STOCKMAN: Exactly. This is not 1981. This is not morning again in America. We've drifted now for 30 years. Both parties, unfortunately, became free lunch parties, the Republicans cutting taxes every time they had a chance, never doing anything about spending, and the Democrats digging in to defend everything that was there. As a result, we now have this massive deficit. Today, the gross public debt is $14 trillion. The first thing we did when we walked into the White House in 1981 was struggle with raising the public debt to $1 trillion. So in that 30 years, the public debt has gone up 14 times. Our economy is only four times larger. We're losing the race. And we're now becoming the banana republic finance, printing -- the Fed, these mad men who are out of control at the Fed, are printing new money, equal to 100 percent of the debt that we're issuing each month. This will not end well. It's -- it's going to end in a disaster.


The Big Lie. Brilliant!

Amanpour also took Pence to task for his phony claptrap about cutting the deficit while bloating the deficit with still allowing the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% and with no specifics about what he would cut:

PENCE: ... both parties have failed the American people and have allowed this city to -- to -- to be -- to expand spending beyond any reasonable expectation...

AMANPOUR: But, sir, with all due respect...

PENCE: It's true.

AMANPOUR: ... what you just said was the campaign -- campaign slogan. Now it's time to legislate. You have a new Congress. You have a new reality.


Stockman was given a chance again to expound on the phoniness of the Republicans:

The point is, we're now in real-world governance. And you don't get 100 times at bat. The Republicans have been at bat for 30 years, and they've whiffed on everything.

(snip)

And I appreciate what Mike is saying, but there's no track record of a willingness to take on the doctors, the pharmaceutical companies, the scooter chair manufacturers, who are everywhere. So we need to take on defense, OK? We are now at the point where this -- we're kind of at the, you know, sundown as an imperialist power. And we can't have credit card imperialism. We can't be the policemen of the world anymore because we can't afford it. We're going to have to cut defense drastically. And that isn't just fraud, waste and abuse. It's force structure, fewer divisions.


When it got to discussing the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% and keeping them for what would be obvious reasons, Stockman gave perhaps one of the best responses that should be common knowledge:

STOCKMAN: Two years after the crisis on Wall Street, it has been announced that bonuses this year will be $144 billion, the highest in history. That's who's going to get this tax cut on the top, you know, 2 percent of the population. They don't need a tax cut. They don't deserve it. And, therefore, what we have to do is focus on Main Street, and that means getting our house in order fiscally, not tax cuts that we can't afford.


Full transcript: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-rand-pau...

Watch the full stream: http://abcnews.go.com/watch/this-week/SH559082

Interview: http://soc.li/4O1ZW4d
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erinlough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:42 PM
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1. The same David Stockman who was the "trickle down" boy?
He must have had a sincere change of heart. I grew up in the same area as the Stockman family, I hope he has had a change of heart because his was a nice family and I was always surprised at his financial politics. How do you go from handing out pamphlets for the Weatherman organization during Vietnam to working with Reagan? I'll never understand.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:56 PM
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4. I sure wasn't a fan of Stockman during the Reagan years, but he certainly has credibility now
He has seen that even his strategies were flawed.


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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:34 PM
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6. Stockman is a reasonable republican. He isn't out with the far right and the teabaggers. As you
can see many reasonable republicans left because they aren't wanted.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:45 PM
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2. stockman was awesome. i hope we see a lot more of him.
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 09:49 PM by ellenfl
he was the budget guy for the repub's hero, fer cryin' out loud! they cannot just ignore him . . . well, ok they can, but hopefully he gets enough air time to make a splash.

ellen fl
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:51 PM
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3. Yep, I watched it, he was pretty good.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:10 PM
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5. tie those obscene bonuses DIRECTLY to the tax cut... brilliant
Dems should win this argument in a walk

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:34 PM
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7. Maybe we need to bring alot of the old Reagan Republicans into the party.
They're better at framing a message and they're more liberal than most of the Democrats are now.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 11:04 PM
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8. I wouldn't knock his praying....
... if anyone "needs Jesus" it's the GOP leadership.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 01:30 AM
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9. this just illustrates how insane these Republicans are.
When David Stockman sounds like the sane one, we're in deep doo doo.
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queenjane Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:39 AM
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10. "The scooter chair manufacturers"
I roared when I heard that. Stockman bitch-slapped that moronic asshat Pence, but did you all see Rand Paul before them? "Cut SS for those under 55 , cut defense spending, no earmarks for my OWN state ." Rand, sweetie, you are about to be schooled in a most unpleasant way.

I love that they're already drawing the long knives on one another, but in the end, they'll all melt down into an unholy stew of corporate ass-kissing, graft, and dangling red-meat social issues before the rabid dogs who keep electing them all the while their trailers are being repossessed.

Yeah, the world has truly flipped on its axis when David Stockman has credibility.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 03:57 PM
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11. The President should ask David Stockman to be a financial advisor.
After all, he worked for St. Ronnie; and how could the Republicans complain if the President followed Stockman's advice.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:24 PM
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12. Now that would be funny if only to watch Freeper heads explode n/t
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ticktockman Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:16 AM
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13. Pence says tax rate hikes will likely reduce revenues
Amanpour also took Pence to task for his phony claptrap about cutting the deficit while bloating the deficit with still allowing the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% and with no specifics about what he would cut:

I also caught when Pence said "Anybody who is familiar with the historical data from the IRS knows that raising income tax rates will likely actually reduce federal revenues". It's depressing to see that Republicans are still peddling that myth.

I blogged about this at http://usbudget.blogspot.com/2010/11/do-tax-cuts-raise-... . As I state there, I have looked at the "tax cuts increase revenue" argument and posted an analysis of it at http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html . I could find nothing in the actual numbers to support that claim. In fact, I have asked supply-siders for years to provide the link to one credible economic study that purports to give evidence that supports this claim. As of yet, I have received none. I have asked for such a link again at the end of my blog posting but expect to once again hear nothing. That's to be expected since I don't believe that such an economic study exists.
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