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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:06 PM
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Things Look good for Dems Tomorrow...Tim Kaine said just now...Chris Van Holland said Twice in Last
2 Days that We will HOLD THE House and Senate!

Both of them were very upbeat. Kaine on CNN and Van Holland on MSNBC today and yesterday on some show.

They are Insiders and Very Upbeat. I would think they know more than we do or the Press will Laugh at them for their calls after the election.

The "Cell Phone" problem for Pollsters might also be a huge factor that Van Holland and Kaine are seeing. I imagine that the White House is doing their "OWN Polls" ....so maybe the Bravado and Certanty from the Media and Repugs is just a "Smoke Screen."

What do you all think. It kind of boggles my mind the disparity of all of this between the Polls, Media and the Administration as to whether everything is just "NOISE" or "Not."

:shrug:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:08 PM
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1. Eh
they have to be upbeat. They can't go on TV and announce "we already lost" that is what the MSM has been trying to do for over a year.

Hey I hope we do hold on to both houses (I think we will) but some of this is PR.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:09 PM
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2. I hope that voters decide to keep their Democratic incumbent even if they "disapprove of Congress"
That would give us a chance to hold Ohio 16 and 13. I really don't expect that the gops will win the Senate. Some of their candidates are shamefully lame.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:15 PM
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20. I've been canvassing for Moran (VA-8) and not feeling very secure about turnout.
His seat should be secure, but the response has been unsettling. Been giving voting reminders to Dem. homes - and too many folks are being tight-lipped or even saying they're voting for his opponent because they're so discouraged and want change (gag me).

I've been thinking...

1. I'm just shocked beyond comprehension how uninformed people are about what the truth IS, and about Republican "Staging" of the facts
2. I'll bet a lot of Obama voters are taking crap from all the cynics who are parroting the t-party hyperbole... pounding them just like the MSM is doing
3. I'm starting to feel as if politics is to a large extent -for the swing voters - just about what's fashionable, and cynicism is generally 'cooler' than ideals.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:11 PM
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3. I hope so -- God, I just hope so
Every poll I see has the Repukes winning in a landslide.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:17 PM
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4. See Graveyard, whistling past NM
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:19 PM
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5. I heard them today too and, yes, they seem pretty upbeat...
Could be wishful thinking, but my guess is there are problems with the polls - potus radio talked about that being likely too.

Guess we'll have to wait and see - with fingers crossed!
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:21 PM
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6. We'll find out tomorrow. I would love for Dems to prove all the so called
experts wrong.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:28 PM
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11. Believe me on this...I'm to the Left of many of you here.. But, I've got Fingers Crossed
and Amulets and anything I can think of and even Prayers...that Van Holland and Kaine are not "leading us on."

I just don't think they would want to do that...because being "FAR WRONG" would bring them up for ridicule and I don't think either of the TWO would want that thing on their Political Record for their Future in Politics.

They were so CONVINCED...they CONVINCED even ME! PLEASE......let them be correct...that there would be a SURPRISE for ONCE in the face of these Pollsters!
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:23 PM
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7. They must be upbeat to make sure people get out and vote -
- if they were to repeat the current polls, people would just not bother voting. This is an attempt to keep damage at a minimum by keeping people encouraged and getting out the vote.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:55 PM
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16. I Understand That is What they Do...but ...their Reputation is On the Line..if they Flub Up
and they will have to face Blitzer and Matthews for YEARS if they WRONG CALLED this Election! Why would they do this? Put themselves on the Line that Dems will WIN 2010...if they Don't have INSIDE INFO?

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:17 PM
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21. well, to openly admit Dems will lose the House is like Jim Cramer telling you to SELL!
they are paid to keep those who care optimistic.

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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:45 PM
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27. No their reputation isn't on the line. Nobody who expects to lose an election admits it
It's pretty much understood.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:50 PM
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36. They'd have to be inside the voting booth to get true "inside" info -
- and they really have no choice but to keep us encouraged enough to think that our vote counts so that we'll go to the polls. Turnout is key and could make a difference in some of the tight races.

I see this as just trying to keep the fire stoked. We'll know for sure soon enough.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:32 PM
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37. I think Blitzer and Matthews know the game
and know that they will say what they said. The HAVE to keep their game face on and they HAVE to project optimism. I hope they are right, I believe we will have a better night than projections are claiming... but I don't think either of them really think we are keeping the House. They hope, and think we have a shot when they look race by race... but I doubt they have any inside polls showing things much differently than what has been made public.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 10:35 PM
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38. what choice do they have?
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:25 PM
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8. KoKo, you have really made my day. . .
I am praying you are right!!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:37 PM
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14. Look...I'm just reporting that they are out there..But...I'm praying myself..and I'm one
who has been hounding here about our Dems dropping Howard Dean. They both looked like they knew something "we didnt" ...I'm so praying an hoping...

But, I do worry. And...I'm not some damned troll... I'm so looking for hope that ANYONE offering it could deceive me..... And, I've learned by be very cynical since "Selection 2000" so it's hard for me to believe Van Holland or Kaine...but WHY would EITHER put their Reputations on Line if what they are seeing with "internal polling by Dems" doesn't show that we will HOLD both HOUSE AND SENATE?

I have to hope. But...we still have to "forward think." If it doesn't work out like what we hope. The "Plan B" is the ESCAPE HATCH....and RE-GROUP.

We have to remain hopeful that even if what they say doesn't turn out so well that we don't give up and go off into somekind of "hole of dispair." (Believe me...I fight going into that "hole"...every day.

Maybe some things just take longer...but we also need to be vigilant...monitoring and never lose IDEALISM. That's My Problem...I fight to keep my "IDEALISM." I really BELIEVE that we NEED IDEALISTS...who can VISIONIZE...ways to MOVE FORWARD...LEAPING OVER EVERY OBSTRUCTION...NO MATTER WHAT we HAVE TO DO.

SO...OPTIMISTIC...but always FIGHT that PESSIMISM....DAILY!
CT
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:26 PM
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9. Kaine Said same on Voter Protection conference call
There was a DNC voter protection conference call this afternoon with 10,000 or so attorneys who aer working on the DNC voter protection program.

Gov. Kaine was upbeat on this call. The early voter numbers do not show a wave election.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:18 PM
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29. Well..he's really putting himself on the line then...and if he's wrong..
it will not look good. So, I'm hopeful he has "inside Dem Polling" saying it looks MUCHO better than the polls and Pundits are saying.
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playstation Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:26 PM
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10. Ummmm.....
Their jobs require them to do that.


/obvious
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:30 PM
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13. Um, or
perhaps they really are feeling good about tomorrow. Not so obvious.

Unless of course you're one of those Democrats who buy into the media/right wing spin.

I'm not. You see, we've been hearing all along on talk shows that the minority vote wasn't going to show up and that the youth vote wasn't going to show up. Guess what? They are going to show up and it's going to make a difference whether you or anyon else likes it.

Having said that I say yes, we'll lose the house but not nearly as bad as the right wing hacks and the media have portrayed it.
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playstation Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:23 PM
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32. "Nate's prediction of +53 is sounding about right, if not optimistic."
GOP Dem

10/28-31: 48 44
10/14-17: 48 44
10/7-10: 48 43
9/30-10/3: 46 43
9/23-26: 46 46
9/13-19: 45 46

Note, each point is worth about 6-10 House seats (and yes, national trends do have an impact at the race-specific level). So a five point swing means more than you'd think at first blush. And it's not just Gallup showing Democrats in a free-fall. Nate has a sobering chart:


House generic ballot

We can nibble at the margins, try and rescue good individual Dems here and there. But the overall trends are brutal, and Nate's prediction of +53 is sounding about right, if not optimistic.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:29 PM
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34. So in looking at this chart
People started getting disgruntled last summer? That's not even a whole year to allow change to happen.

I could understand if it was this summer and people were upset, but LAST summer? That's when the Tea Baggers began picking up steam and was incredibly loud in the media.
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playstation Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:40 PM
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35. August 09 coincides with congressional summer break
Crazy health care town halls
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:39 AM
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42. Well I guess it was effective, huh
Thank you, media *sigh*
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:29 PM
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12. I think that the internal polls for the Ds are very good, and that they are
fine with the "R landslide" meme that's out there in the media.

I think they're counting on that meme to depress REPUBLICAN voters who will think the win is in the bag, and they can skip voting and go about their business.

On the other hand, I think the D Disaster doom and gloom in the MSM is energizing the D voters, voters who would normally pass on a midterm.

That's what I think.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:38 PM
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15. Well, Democrats are not going to be slaughtered as we were told 6 months ago.
They were going to take back the House and Senate we were told. It was going to be a slaugher.

Now, it's just the House they are going to win back and...

And now they are walking back the sizes of their victories.

I agree with you, KoKo.

The swell of voting going on right now is not good for the GOP.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:04 PM
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18. David Z...Early Voting here in NC swung Democratic and that was Very Hopeful..
Plus...NC Repugs are complaining about "Black Box voting" in Rural Areas swinging to Dems. (HA..remember DU workers for Voting Reform..."Verified Paper Ballots" and get rid of the Computer Voting Machines corrupted by Repugs? Remember That?

Anyway...Repugs in NC are now turning around the VOTING REFORM we ACTIVISTS DID and Complaining that the Voting is Corrupt in "outlying Counties" because they had to keep their "DRE Voting Machines" while the BIG NC CITIES (one of which I live in) got to CHANGE THEIR MACHINES to GET PAPER BALLOT COUNT!"

NC Activists got Clean Verifiable Ballots for Voting in the two Biggest Counties.. Wake and Mecklenburg and the Repugs have been Mad as HATTERS since then. NOW they see Machines turning Repug votes into Dem Votes and are UP IN ARMS CARRYING ON!

REPuGS Are so GOOD AT TURNING our OWN DEM ISSUES AGAINST US...AREN'T THEY? They are MASTERFUL AT THIS!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:10 PM
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19. I saw the news report from NC and it really pumped me up.
Obama won by a 9 million vote margin, many of whom were first time voters.

Our base is turning out. They may have a better night than we do overall, but they are not going to have any victory like we've been programmed to believe for the last six months.

Go North Carolina!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:37 PM
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25. Well..that's not the issue I posted about...but thanks for the "Big Cheer."
"Big cheers" are always welcomed here on DU.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:57 PM
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17. Grab every Democrat and get them to the polls tomorrow
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:20 PM
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22. I should hope so.
That's part of their jobs.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:21 PM
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23. They must keep the turnout up
You really can never tell anything about what's going to happen from the party apparatus, they say what they need to. I do think that some surprises are in store tomorrow, though.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:26 PM
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24. The "surprise" tomorrow will be
more dems get elected than what the MSM is forecasting.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:39 PM
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26. Hope So...there's such a disconnect between Kain (DNC Chair) and Van Holland against Pollster's
There MUST BE SOMETHING that THEY KNOW about this than the Media Knows.

"Fingers Crossed."
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:10 PM
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28. Managing the voters....
I think they are just trying to manage potential voters - don't jump ship, it is worth voting for your Democratic candidate, etc.

I am sure they are more optimistic than pollsters would lead them to believe but I think alot of this is not to discourage would-be Democratic voters to either not go to the polls or compromise on a Libertarian candidate.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:19 PM
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30. At the Last Call...you've gotta get your Potential Voters Out there...no matter HOW you do IT!
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:22 PM
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31. What else are they going to say? Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:28 PM
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33. That is good to hear.
I still think the Dems can eek out marginal majorities in both houses.

With all of the braying from repugs and the m$m, anything less than a landslide will look like a loss for the repubs.
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33Greeper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:16 PM
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39. Please Vote
and don't be discouraged.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:55 PM
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41. darn tootin' we'll vote
And welcome to DU!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:34 PM
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40. gotv
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