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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:01 AM
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What Lessons of Election Day?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 09:15 AM by kentuck
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One of the myths of this stunted political moment is that Barack Obama "tried to do too much," and that purist, ungrateful liberals are mad at him over things like the absence of a public option in his heath bill. This is dangerous nonsense, and it matters because these widespread views among the pundit class will influence what lessons the media and Obama himself draw from what is likely to be an epic partisan defeat on Tuesday.

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For starters, liberals are dismayed with Obama not because this or that initiative was insufficiently lefty. They are mad at Obama for blowing what had to be a Roosevelt moment, and thereby ushering in a totally needless period of far-right resurgence, dominated by a lunatic right that makes Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove look like moderates.

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With all due respect to Lemann, Obama did not decide to be bold in his first two years in office. He decided to be timid and conciliatory. People on his own economics team, such as Christina Romer, were telling him that the stimulus was far too small, and that it was too tilted to tax cuts.

Even more important than the scale of the recovery program was Obama's failure to be bold enough when it came to reorganizing failing banks. But his economic team, led by Larry Summers and Tim Geithner, opted for propping them up and disguising the big holes in their balance sheets rather than cleaning the banks out.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:05 AM
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1. The Lesson Of Election Day
The lesson of election day is if the economy sucks and you are a member of the governing party you will be punished at the ballot box, regardless of whether or not you were responsible for said economy, and regardless of your political party.

Everything else is intellectual masturbation...
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:13 AM
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2. Totally agree. Why do people insist on twisting themselves in knots about this?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 09:14 AM by Jennicut
In 1982 the economy sucked and Repubs lost some seats in Congress. This really is not rocket science. Even in 1938, the era of FDR, Dems lost 72 seats in the House due to the economy going into a recession again.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:17 AM
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3. Why do people insist on twisting themselves in knots about this?
Because they hate William of Ockham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:27 AM
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5. Occam's Razor. Some people just don't want to look at the obvious, I guess.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:30 AM
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6. Or Gordian Knot?
Was the economy in recession in 2002 when the Repubs kept the House and Senate? Granted, it was not as bad as now.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:37 AM
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8. In 2002 it was nothing like it is now in terms of the economy.
Also, 2002 is the biggest anomaly out there, as the party in power usually loses seats during midterms. In 2002, the Repubs gained. Biggest reason? The fear from 9/11. It was one of the most disgusting elections on record. Remember what happened to Max Cleland? It was all about the after effects from 9/11 in the 2002 midterms. Most midterms don't have an issue like a terrorist attack.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:38 AM
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9. The Economy Wasn't Nearly, Nearly, Nearly As Bad As It Is Now
And we were living in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:17 AM
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4. Election day has to speak before we can tell what lessons it's teaching.
n/t
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:35 AM
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7. Exactly.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:41 AM
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10. easy.
The lesson is... if you have complete power of 2/3 branches of gov't you MUST do something BIG... a real game changer.

If Obama passed a public option instead of the milktoast HCR the DEMS would sweep tomorrow.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:57 AM
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11. What on earth? I would like to see where you are getting your information.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:58 AM by Kdillard
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