C'mon DU let's get over it and win both houses with a BIG majority in November
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 06:08 PM by Rosa Luxemburg
Like many people I have been frustrated with things not going MY way like single payer healthcare, Gitmo not closing, the extended war in Af. and a slow move out of Iraq etc.
However this government HAS made progress and actually has done a lot (although we don't hear about it on television). Many, many things have been passed by Congress to improve the lives of the American. People forget who created the financial crisis and need to be reminded.
HOWEVER, as long as Democrats left leaning (professional or non professional) or center people splinter and regurgitate RW Newspeak they have to think of the consequences of a huge Republican majority in both houses this fall. Can you imagine what that will mean to this country? None of our agenda will be progressed AT ALL and will be just tossed in a trash can.
1. WH FIGHTING DADT? or FOR Single payer? Look - at some point the Dems in power need to ACT
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 06:34 PM by peacebird
like progressives and actually push progessive policies if they want support FROM progressives. Gibbs was *not* helpful with his whining about progressives. Neither was Rahm.
I did not work hard for a center right prez - but that is what we have. If the Dems want to have majotiry in both houses then perhaps they need to remember who brung 'em and work to pass progressive legislation. Just a thought. :eyes:
7. the old "look forward not backward" defense is NOT working this time. Sorry - after 35 YEARS of
voting *against* the lesser candidate, and getting a center right pol instead - I am done. I will be voting FOR candidates from here on out - regardless of their ability to win. The dems went DLC with the Big Dog, and DLC is nothing more than corporate friendly politicians with moderately "liberal" social policies (as long as they don't cost corporations anything) Screw that, and screw them. I will donate time and money to candidates who support a progressive agenda. If the Dems lose control of the House or Senate as a result of progressive flight, too bad. Not like they were acting on progressive agendas anyhow. Screw 'em if they can't take a joke!
And any politician now has to EARN it. No more bullshit. No more blind support. That's how Republicans operate.
I don't hold my nose and vote for just anyone anymore.
And screw 'em, even if they can take a joke. Otherwise the joke's on us. Again.
We had a historic opportunity. The repukes self-immolated. They were about to be swept into the dustbin of history. But our "leadership" let them of the hook and gave them the time and the means to re-organize.
besides many people go through life not voting or wanting to know anything about politics, they don't watch it on TV and they don't vote. I think it is important to keep going. People in other countries have done it.
remember all the hollering over HCR? -all the green tech stuff in the stimulus bill, Financial Regulation, Consumer Protection agency, saving the American Auto Industry? They didn't get EVERYTHING done that needed to be done, and you can argue that the reforms were too weak, but to say "nothing" is flat out wrong and another piece of disingenuous propaganda from the 10%ers.
51. You are under the delusion that we have a dictator ...
I don't know if you were paying attention to the HCR legislation, but it took a year to get passed, and the Rs had it DEAD in the senate. It took a previous 60-40 vote to allow for the reconcilliation that allowed for the legislation that passed ... ONE lost vote in the senate, and it never would have gotten passed. And, Max Baucus was NOT going to support even a public option, much less single payer ...
It was NEVER going to happen ...
NEVER, and all BO "fighting" for it would have done would have potentially skunked what got done. Again, I don't know where you were during that year period, but we had Rs screaming like lunatics about death panels and SOCIALISM, and the MSM carrying water for them ... BO taking a stand for single payer would have given them potentially enough fuel to actually kill it ...
They got done what could get done - and I am STRONG single payer advocate.
You are also under the delusion that there is a larger democratic majority to be had in this lifetime, and there isn't ... This is the largest democratic margin in both chambers will see see in at generations ...
Finally, you don't grasp the current political alignments ...
There is no "center" politically between the parties ... The Rs are ALL, to a man and woman, batsnot crazy hard righties who pander mercilessly to the extreme right ... The "middle" is the right side of the democratic party ...
Obviously, you have given up on the practical aspects of that, but there are Ds who REPRESENT more republican leaning and toss up districts ... The great liberals have the benefit of living in strong liberal precincts and can act liberal ... The other democrats don't have that luxery, and again, you obviously have given up on it, but it is better to have them in the D fold than to turn those seats over an R who WILL be hard right and oppose ANYTHING liberal ...
Sorry, the country is no more left leaning than the lie that is conservative ... There isn't the "mandate" to go full bore left, or BO and congress would go that direction ...
I am with you in supporting and developing more progressive candidates ... But, if it is a choice between even a milk toast dem and an R, I will battle to death for the D over the R, cause a milk toast D is 1000 times better than an R in this age ...
3. i doubt if anyone will sit out the elections because they're mad at Obama
Many of us, myself included, are seriously pissed-off. But we're pragmatic enough to know the price of not voting.
So we'll keep on loudly protesting, but come November, we'll hold our noses and vote for the Democrats because the alternative is worse.
At this point, i think the only way to get real meaningful change in our political system is to start at the grassroots level, in local politics, by nurturing truly progressive candidates. I probably won't live long enough to see that change propagated to the highest level of national politics.
18. I have never "sat out" an election in over 35 years. I will work for progressive candidates.
I will write in votes if there are no progressives in my area. But I will not give my vote to DLC/center right dems again. If we progressives cannot move the party towards OUR ideals then why should we continue to give them our time, money, efforts and VOTES? Just because they *aren't* repubs?
We need all the help we can get from anywhere to keep the progress in place we have made. We have a target on us the size of the state by the tea partiers, Vanderplatts and company to overturn by the courts issues we settled.
there isn't even a question. If your state is over-loaded with douchebags that support lame corporate candidates in either party, that's a reflection on your state and should not be used as an excuse to fuck the rest of the country with Republican rule in the Congress.
Changes come from the people, not politicians, and they happen over time. The pressure from the people has to be continuous. Yes, it is tiresome. Yes, we all have to agree to disagree sometimes. Yes, it is fine to argue on political forums amongst friends - even ferociously. But people really need to keep their eye on the ball. Change won't always come in one, two or even three election cycles or through any one politician - it can take years and years of consistent efforts which include voting in primaries, in general elections, talking to friends and coworkers, etc.
We're not going to get everything we want quickly. It's just not going to happen. Just moving the debate in our direction is sometimes a huge victory in itself. This President has been a massive improvement over what the Republicans had to offer. This Congress may not be as bold as we'd like in many ways, but it's a gazillion steps in the right direction compared to where we were just a few years ago.
Fending off a GOP majority or even large Republican gains is simply something everyone should be very motivated to work together to stop.
10. We realize things don't happen overnight..and you say that we have to
keep putting pressure on our leaders for things to move in the right direction. But, those on this forum who are doing just that...pushing for more and better change..and holding our leaders feet to the fire, are being ridiculed and chastised for not keeping their thoughts to themselves. For not blindly agreeing with and applauding everything Obama has done. For daring to criticize anyone in our party. How does that move the needle at all??
50. It's not the criticism, it's the lies and the spin
and the inability to give any credit when it is due. It's obvious to me that some people have an agenda that has more to do with ruining Obama's presidency than it does with moving this country in a Progressive direction.
criticize all you want where it is valid. Just don't use lies and bullshit exaggerations to push your point.
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22. I remember when the SDP broke off from the Labour Party (UK)
The SDP were more center left and the Labour Party was leaning to the left. After the SDP broke off it didn't last long only to merge with the Libs to form the Lib dems. The irony is that the Labour Party a decade later was veering towards the center after being in the political wilderness and was elected under the leadership of the Tony B-Liar. All sorts of strange things happen in politics. Maybe it will take a heavy loss in November to remake remodel the party so it can be a real Democratic Party not a wishy washy center party. However, I hope that we will win and it will be a natural progression to the left.
35. And there will be no change as long as we play that game
By what lever will change come about with zero accountability and a level of expectation pegged at less awful than the crazy fucking fascists that our leaders allow to get off scot free time after time?
we have to do the best we can to elicit change. We are dealing with a corporate, fascist stranglehold in this country. Even progressives in power will be roasting material for the 'big boys.' It would appear politicians don't control everything.
41. Well, sometimes it's about stopping regress in the other direction.
That's why we need to be more active during the primaries, to push for those progressive candidates. But allowing the Republicans to win just sets us back that much further on nearly ALL issues. Making it that much harder to make progress when we do finally get a decent candidate in office.
the hierachy of the Democratic Party may need to change. The party may need review its policies so that they are they people friendly? It has to decide whether it is going to be a real Democratic Party or some sort of center right party (which it seems to be). I often wonder if some of our Congressional representatives do belong to the party or not - they seem to make things up as it goes along without any liaison with the party. We should be marching to the same tune.
58. Bend it to our will by any means necessary and failing that destroy it.
Fixing this will require ruthlessness and a hell of a pain tolerance but that is how it is.
The game is fully a matter of how far are we willing to go. That was how the Reaganite traitors won. They said (and still say) do what we want our well vote Republican and did so over and over and they got the fatted cow and the hippies that got out of line and those of a similar bent get punched.
The nowhere to go crap broke my back and people of such minds are never to be trusted because accountability is inherently absent and they revel in it.
I'm not uncompromising but this is just taking marching orders after the plan is set and that is no $ale.
62. The way I see it, there is still hope that Obama will come through and do more of what
we would like him to do. If The republicans regain control we will be in a hopeless situation. So, tell me what I have to do to push the President and the Democrats in the right direction? My feelings and pride our irrelevant, the only thing that matters is keeping the teabaggers out of the government and trying to fix the mess that Bush has created. I'm ready to work.
63. I think the push has to come from the local parties
the grassroot networks need to feed into the DNC more. As far as policy is concerned the ordinary members tend to leave those decisions to the people at the top of the party. I think if the majority of party members said this is what we want the powers that be might listen. Many members have no clue what their senator or Rep is doing in Congress. There needs to more engagement between members and lawmakers and also the administration. We want them to lead but we would like a say.
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