List of things the left didn't want Obama to do anytime.

[mmonk]

Appoint Summers, Geithner, and other corporate cronies.
Make Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff.
Continue rendition.
Continue the infamous Bagram Air Force base torture prison.
Engage in drone killings and/or assassinations of US citizens abroad.
Continue Bush DOJ defense in denying lawsuits brought against Bush administration for crimes of torture.
Practice and defend indefinite detention.
Privatize education.
Fail to shut down Guantanamo Bay prison.
Set up Commission to look into privatizing and/or cutting social security and medicare.
Further secrecy and classification.
Deny Freedom of Information Act requests.
Break up labor unions.
Make backroom deals with the Pharmaceutical industry.
Have the Health insurance industry lobbyists define the parameters of a Health Care Bill.
Break his promised position of supporting a public option.
Drill baby drill.
Break his pledge to the American Freedom Campaign to defend the Constitution from any Presidential or executive branch abuse.
Escalate the Afganistan war (I know he didn't promise not to).
Support a weakened financial regulatory reform Bill.

This list is not complete. Feel free to add things you did not want nor expect the Obama Administration to do.

[Orrex]

1. I hear that he doesn't lift the lid when he pisses, either.

[ZombieHorde]

4. I hate that! I have clean up piss when my male inlaws visit.

If I say anything there will be drama, so I keep my mouth shut and wipe up their incompetence.

[Orrex]

5. Love your sig image!

[ZombieHorde]

7. Thanks, I love it too. nt

[arikara]

43. Thats so infuriating

Men who can't aim should sit down to pee. Lay newspaper... or paper towel if you want to be fancy around the toilet on the floor. That might get a message through.

[ZombieHorde]

48. Your newspaper idea is hilarious, but I don't want the family drama.

Now I am going to be giggling the next they come over and ask to use the bathroom.

[Touchdown]

50. Allow us to install urinals in your bathrooms without going "EEWW!" at the idea.

They use less water, they're cleaner, we don't even need to touch the seat (and ancient bone of contention with women). They now make them for the home, and they're very stylish compared to a 70 year old high school or a 20 year old airport.

Or, we can always go and piss in your flower garden outside.;)

[Jenny_92808]

13. The right wing want to pit us against each other...

Don't let them succeed. Vote Dem in November!!!

[Donnachaidh]

39. the centrist Dems were doing that much earlier and much nastier

but you go right ahead with that new-smelling meme. :sarcasm:

:eyes:

[Herr Garbitsch]

58. Centrist Dems meaning what?

New-smelling meme meaning what?

[flamingdem]

42. I agree! nt

[Herr Garbitsch]

57. Nothing would be better than to deliver a humiliating defeat to the right.

Nothing.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Figure out a way they get splashed from their own misses.

Too bad you don't have more than one bathroom and all of them use it. Making sure to wrap the seat in saran wrap.

[brentspeak]

2. Continue to implement the nation's suicidal trade laws

[Autumn]

3. K/R

Good list. #5 is something I can't wrap my mind around. That one is so wrong.

[tridim]

6. I give up, you win. I'll vote Republican.

:patriot:

[mmonk]

15. I don't advise anyone to do that.

I would like people to know we aren't unreasonable in what we seek in a Democratic Party president nor are we demanding he do certain things in any sort of unreasonable time frame except we wanted him to fight for those things he himself said he supported. And some things we just didn't see coming.

[Lorien]

17. So objecting to right wing policies makes a person want to vote Republican?

:crazy:

[depakid]

23. No- it makes them want to stay home and have nothing to do with the party or its apologists

as we have seen many times before.

[CakeGrrl]

28. Staying home won't help elect ANYONE

including the Progressive superhero who can undo years of Washington gridlock in corporate influence in a single bound...I mean term.

[depakid]

30. Well, like or no, that's what people do-

especially when they see Democrats as a whole not even trying- or worse, embracing Republicans policies or associating themselves with popular groups like banksters, polluters, health insurers and PhARMA.

Which is what makes the right wing of the party far more insidious than Republicans (who, by being vocal and batshit crazy, have a positive effect of turnout).

[tridim]

25. It's the serial-objecting that makes me wonder.

[bvar22]

47. Only in the twisted World of Sensible Woodchuckland.

Everyone else can instantly spot the disconnect.

[Herr Garbitsch]

62. Where's your real beef here?

You're saying that no one should express their opinion in favor of the Obama administration because if they do they're somehow interfering with your right to express your opinion?

That makes no sense at all. Why waste your time on such nonsense? If your opinion is just and sound then why don't you make your case and let it stand on its own, instead of resorting to silliness like this cartoon?

[Name removed]

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[hulka38]

89. No. The cartoon is critical of a tactic used by the faithful

to claim that criticism of Obama's policies will result in Palin being elected President. This specific tactic that is being used here as a way to stifle dissent. Clearly that is what the cartoon panel is addressing. It is not saying, "...that no one should express their opinion in favor of the Obama administration because if they do they're somehow interfering with your right to express your opinion"

[Herr Garbitsch]

92. Why isn't "A tactic used by the faithful"

a device used to summarily dismiss the argument without addressing the argument?

Again, wouldn't it be more efficacious to deal with the argument?

[hulka38]

93. What?

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. That's the problem - too many of the votes for Democrats ARE

votes for Republicans.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

[Touchdown]

51. Not the most popular kid on the block, were you?

:hi:

[Jim Sagle]

8. Hey, nobody's perfect.

;)

[snot]

9. Continue unconstitutional communications surveillance; put Arne Duncan in charge of public edu,

who's committed to gutting it and turning it over to private contractors; fail to support meaningful media reform (restoring restrictions on consolidation of ownership, reinstating Fairness Doctrine, etc.); fail to address the need for election reform (eliminate electronic voting) . . .

[katandmoon]

10. Put the modifier "Faith-Based" in front of any WH office name

[Orrex]

11. I think he's the one who told Michelle not to return my calls

The jerk.

[Name removed]

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[Indydem]

20. EDUCATE YOURSELF!!

Rendition: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html
Bagram: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/world/asia/29bagram.html?_r=2&hp
Assassination: http://www.truth-out.org/obama-administration-authorizes-cia-kill-us-citizen58358
Indefinite Detention: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/21/AR2009052104045.html

Seriously; if you are so lazy that you won't use google to educate yourself, then stop posting knee-jerk defense.

Obama is making major mistakes; it is our job to keep the pressure on him to keep his promises and end bad policies.

[Touchdown]

56. "EDUCATE YOURSELF! EDUCATE YOURSELF!"

Seriously, come up with a new statement to browbeat people. Do you still say "Tubular"?

[Me.]

16. Not Repealing DADT

[Tx4obama]

31. Congress is voting soon to PERMANENTLY repeal DADT. n/t

[Me.]

34. This Decade?

Cause I hear the military pumping for more time and why not just do an executive order for didn't such an order put it in place?

[Indydem]

35. Bullshit.

This congress has had ample opportunity to do their GOD DAMN JOBS for more than 18 months and nothing has MOVED. We elected mass majorities to get shit done and this congress and this president have been nothing but a disappointment. Let any Democrat stand up and be counted if they want to vote against the liberal agenda so we can vote their asses out.

What is the point of having a democratic majority if they are only slightly more inclined to serve the American people than the repukes they replaced?

I weep for our party, liberalism, and our nation.

[TriMera]

83. +1n/t

[donheld]

90. Jesus is coming soon too. What will happen first

Jesus or DADT?

[Freddie Stubbs]

45. Congress has to pass a law for the President to sign in order to do that

[Touchdown]

55. They already did, and Obama sabotaged it.

Telling them to wait until his bigoted survey (which he approves of) is finished asking soldiers and sailors just how icky gays are.

[Tx4obama]

60. Senate has NOT voted yet on the Defense Appropriations Bill, that's where the DADT repeal is. n/t

Edited to change Congress to Senate.

[Touchdown]

64. Does not excuse the fact that Obama "intervened" to allow his BS survey to take precedence.

They were going to do it without him, and he saw the bus leaving, where he wouldn't get the credit for it's repeal, so he stuck his nose in and came up with a bullshit reason why he hasn't taken action yet. His precious "Just how icky are teh gheys?" survey!

He is actively causing a delay.

[Tx4obama]

68. The survey has nothing to do with Congress' timetable to vote on the Defense Appro. bill

Congress has NOT delayed their vote.

[Touchdown]

70. He has them delay implementation until we find out how

how skeered straight boys in the Army will be wil queers nearby.

He is intentionally sabotaging full equality in the armed services with this "survey". He did not want congress to put it in the DAB, he wanted them to wait until at LEAST after the elections in 2010, and preferrably in 2013 after his re-election. He is the one stalling, not them.

You are not going to change the facts about Obama's bullshit survey by denying I am bringing it up! Either acknowledge it exists and it's his baby, or we have nothing left to discuss, because you won't do it honestly!

[Tx4obama]

72. BUT the REPEAL of DADT (the vote) is not the same as 'implementation'. n/t

[Touchdown]

74. Explain his love for this survey. Stop ignoring it.

[TriMera]

84. IIRC...

That's where the "compromise" is, not the DADT repeal.

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. No, only the House passed the repeal. The Senate has not yet voted on it

[Touchdown]

66. Does not excuse Obama's demand that it be delayed for his survey.

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. This 'demand' is simply political cover for Democrats in Republican-leaning districts and states

Without their votes, the repeal would not pass.

[Touchdown]

71. Prove that.

[Tx4obama]

69. Got a link? When did Congress reschedule the Defense Appropriations bill?

The bill was always planned to be voted on in the fall.
If you have a link to prove that there was a delay on the vote was caused by President Obama then please let us see it.

[Touchdown]

73. Explain his adherence to a hateful survey before we go on.

You continue to ignore that.

[Tx4obama]

75. The fact remains: Congress IS voting to permanently REPEAL DADT. Has nothing to do w/ survey. n/t

[Touchdown]

77. Bullshit!

We're done. You are deliberately being disingenuous. There is no reasoning with you.

Bye.

[Tx4obama]

79. Have a great week. n/t

[Tx4obama]

59. The repeal of DADT is in the Defense Appropriations Bill. n/t

[Lorien]

18. Did not wish to end the practice of whaling

And had no objection to the slaughter of endangered gray wolves.

[DeSwiss]

19. K&R

Nothing on your list seems strident, unreasonable or self-righteous to me.

- In fact they seem pretty damned reasonable and moderate......

[QC]

21. Throw Democratic constituencies overboard in order to curry favor with the Republicans,

who despise him and always will no matter what he does.

Making Rick Warren one of the best known American religious figures in the world.

[Name removed]

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[nightrain]

24. knr. prohibit abortions in private health care plans.

[Jumping John]

26. Decide he has the right to execute his fellow citizens with no oversight at all.

[Dr.Phool]

27. We didn't want a fucking pony either!

Although some are convinced we did. I don't like horses anyway.

Now maybe a Lab or a Golden Retriever would work.

[JDPriestly]

32. Re: Guantanamo

If Bush could open Guantanamo based on executive order and his authority as commander in chief, seems to me Obama could simply close it under the same authority and based on an executive order.

The military could simply close it down. That's all it would take, seems to me.

Another bit of hypocrisy on Obama's part.

[Vinca]

33. Just like he could issue an order stopping military dismissals

until DADT is officially overturned.

[JDPriestly]

76. Precisely.

[SpartanDem]

94. He did issue an executive order

Congress has refused to give money to close it.

[ProSense]

36. "Break up labor unions"?

"This list is not complete."

This is not a factual list.

[Name removed]

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[Touchdown]

80. Ahem...

Yes, it is.

[indepat]

38. It's almost like Bush-lite is getting heavier by the day so let me say this once more:

almost every one of junior's policies and actions were wholly corrupt/wrong-headed from the get go so it stands to reason that every one of junior policies/wars continued and every embedded RW minion retained will come back to bite this administration in the ass, metaphorically speaking of course as usual. :shrug:

[great white snark]

40. You're happy he has 6 more years to correct things, yes? (nt)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

41. Some responses

Appoint Summers, Geithner, and other corporate cronies. And yet when Obama appointed someone with no experience within the oil industry to oversee operations there, that was slammed by "the left" (in quotes, because I don't think you own it) as well.
Make Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. And he was the right hire. Too fucking bad - you don't speak for all of us.
Continue Bush DOJ defense in denying lawsuits brought against Bush administration for crimes of torture. No sitting president would ever create a precedent that would allow or encourage a future President to investigate and prosecute actions done during their own presidency.
Practice and defend indefinite detention. Bush tied his hands with this one. The evidence that could be used to prosecute those held indefinitely is so utterly tainted that no conviction would be possible. And yet letting them simply walk free would be so politically untenable, especially if they happened to turn around and be involved with an act of terrorism. It's a lose-lose situation. I don't like it, but that's how it is.
Privatize education. Just 100% wrong. You have no factual basis for this claim whatsoever.
Fail to shut down Guantanamo Bay prison. He's trying, but no one in Congress will take in the people being held there. And as said above, he can't exactly just let them walk free either.
Set up Commission to look into privatizing and/or cutting social security and medicare. Paranoid bullshit.
Further secrecy and classification. No one promised or could reasonably expect 100% transparency.
Deny Freedom of Information Act requests. It happens.
Break up labor unions. I call total bullshit on that. Not even the unions would make that claim. I suspect this is attached to your other 100% bullshit claim related to education, no?
Make backroom deals with the Pharmaceutical industry. A President should never make a deal with one of the largest sources of income our nation has? Really?
Have the Health insurance industry lobbyists define the parameters of a Health Care Bill. Not only bullshit, but the final bill barely passed. Which is to say that there's no fucking way whatever alternative route you might suggest would get done.
Break his promised position of supporting a public option. Again, total bullshit. He supported it, he campaigned on it, he included it in the State of the Union.
Drill baby drill. Until alternatives are in place - alternatives which he is very aggressively seeking out, I might add - energy has to come from somewhere. Better here than Saudi Arabia.
Escalate the Afganistan war (I know he didn't promise not to). It's always been the right war to pursue. I know that doesn't matter to you, but that doesn't make it any less true.
Support a weakened financial regulatory reform Bill. A bill that even Volcker - a man touted by many DUers as being the end-all be-all of reform voices - says is reasonable.

[Arkana]

44. Seeing as how maybe five things on your list are actual "things"

with the rest being overdramatic hyperbole and a few just flat-out lies, what's your point?

[Freddie Stubbs]

46. Which labor unions has President Obama broken up?

[bvar22]

49. One of the things I never expected from the "CHANGE" President:

*Actively campaigning FOR virulently Anti-LABOR/Anti-Public-Option Conservative "Democrats" (Lincoln) and Republicans (Specter) in Democratic Primaries when there were perfectly acceptable Pro-Labor, Pro-HealthCare REAL Democrats running.

I guess I can understand.
If we rid the Party of these Conservatives, the Democratic Party Leadership wouldn't have anyone to blame for their failures.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[inna]

52. Press for more NAFTA-like Free Trade Agreements.

[harun]

53. Continue the embargo on Cuba.

[FrenchieCat]

54. Sounds like you shouldn't have voted for him.......

to me.

[Herr Garbitsch]

63. A lot of compromises had to be made because it takes 60 votes in the Senate

Oddly Obama is to blame because Republicans and conserva-dems voted as a block to defeat him on almost everything. So now Republicans are to rewarded for this?

Please explain this to me because I'm really not understanding it. Aren't the Republicans the enemy here? What am I missing?

[spoony]

78. Yeah, it does sound that way. You could add the word "again" in there, too. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

65. So many, but really I have issues with it when he tries to tell me

Republicans are honest brokers with good ideas and all of that bull puckey. I mean, please man, pull the other one, sell me a bridge in Brooklyn, but don't even try to push that at me.

[Phx_Dem]

81. Just because the left doesn't want it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

There are a number of items included in your list that are prefectly acceptable or good, namely appointing Emanual as chief staff, also, choosing hisown economic advisors which he does not need to consult the left (aka progressives) about. The financial regulations bill, neogitating with pharmaceuticals for health care, and use of drones.

You've intentionally or stupidly, not sure which, included things he hasn't done: break up unions, privatize education, have health care lobbyists define HCR,

And he never promised a public option. He advocated for a "pool" of companies to choose from, which is include in the HCR bill.

But don't let me rain on your piss parade since that's the only thing that seems to make you happy. Continue pissing on youself.

[MadMaddie]

85. For those who may have not had the opportunity

to read about the Desegragation of the U.S. Military here are the facts.

I am posting this to level set that any military change is not easy and it's not fast.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=chronology


1945
September 1945: Secretary of War Robert P. Patterson appoints a board of three general officers to investigate the Army's policy with respect to African-Americans and to prepare a new policy that would provide for the efficient use of African-Americans in the Army. This board is called the Gillem Board, after its chairman, General Alvan C. Gillem, Jr.


Many more years here - you can view at the above link.


1953
October 1953: The Army announces that 95% of African-American soldiers are serving in integrated units.


The bottom line is the law should have never been passed. We can thank President Clinton for this. Let's not forget how he pandered to the right over this issue and other issues.

I agree that the military leadership is flawed in their approach by taking a survey. Military commanders need to make decisions and pass those decisions to troops. I think that many are overlooking the issue of Christian religious zealots that are in military leadership positions and they are the ones dragging their feet.

I think once the law is overturned All soldiars that were kicked out should be offerred their jobs back if they want them.

[tomp]

86. ooooh, now i see...the MIC got the pony!

no wonder i didn't get mine.

[tomp]

87. I didn't want him to fail to screw bush/cheney, inc to the legal wall. nt

[RollWithIt]

88. Who needs Fox News when you have the angry left.... nt.... sigh

[golfguru]

91. All legitimate concerns +100 n/t

[MisterP]

95. "he has so much to clean up!!!!!11111" and remember, the Loyalists are often driven by compensation

for cognitive dissonance, so they'll become MORE vituperative the further to the right the party goes!