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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:56 AM
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I give up. Obama should decide against running in 2012.
Because, quite frankly, I see too few Americans who deserve this man.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:04 AM
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1. can't tell if you're complaining or fawning
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:31 AM
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13. There is precious little difference these days.
I've lost count of these "you don't deserve him!" posts now.
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ZM90 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:08 AM
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2. Yes this country doesn't deserve him
Hey he may not get us the perfect bills (example:no public option,no reinstating glass-stegall)but,he does a whole lot better than any Republican ever would have and I for one am glad that he is the one sitting in the highest office instead of Darth McGrumpy and Caribou Barbie. His economic polices are also not perfect but,if it weren't for him we would have 20% unemployment most likely. No president is perfect and I can see Obama for who he is which is human,so he is flawed but,progress is progress and even progress in small steps is welcome,just don't go backward like the Republicons :).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:10 AM
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3. Ahem
FAIL. Just sayin'.
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:14 AM
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4.  I guess he's not Palin..
Maybe your candidate will get in next time :hug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:36 AM
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ZM90 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:47 AM
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9. Just because someone supports Obama doesn't make them a DLCer
A example is. I am a very progressive democrat. I support a public option,reinstating glass-stegall,appointing Elizabeth Warren,equal rights for gays,and ending the wars. I just see the reality of things. Think about it,we had 8 years of George W. Bush and all the damage he created. Don't you think it will take awhile to turn this ship around? Not only that Obama has to deal with congress which has a Party of Hell No that is determined to break Obama and the Democrats and yes some conservadems like Ben Nelson helped the Party of Hell No. Obama isn't as far left on some issues as I'd like but,he's the best we have right now considering our situation,and he has done a lot of good even though he makes some decisions which I do not agree with at times. The President isn't perfect and we should voice constructive criticism but,under no circumstances should we wish failure for Obama. We should wish success for Obama and our country. Our big priority should be to get more progressives in congress November so that we can push Obama further to the left and get more changes than we have already gotten. Have a nice day! :)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:31 AM
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19. progressives support Obama, but with their eyes (and mouths) open.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:56 PM
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50. When was the last time you saw "progressives" express any kind of support for Obama?
Maybe some time BEFORE the election.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:48 AM
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22. Far from wanting Obama to fail, progressives think if Obama doesn't put more daylight
between himself and the GOP, he makes himself and the party more vulnerable to defeat.

But most of us here are not voting for a Party. We are voting for survival and an America based on a broad middle class and a private sector that is subject to, rather than dictating, our laws.

We need to see corporate malefactors brought to heel and held accountable in at least ONE area instead of consulted, consoled, and coddled. We don't let serial killers or rapists decide their own sentences or write our laws, but we do allow the companies who outsourced our manufacturing base, ''manufacture'' bubbles that burst on us after they have filled their pockets, invade countries and destroy whole regions of the world to prop up oil company profits, let their customers die to jack up insurance companies profits, and when their various scams collapse, they demand a no strings attached bailout equal to the defense budget in past years that we at least got over-priced weapons for and some questionable wars.

We don't need fine tuning of the Washington consensus. We need the wealthiest people and corporations in this country made subject to the rule of law. When we see that happening in an unequivocal way, you will see doubts and criticisms of Obama begin to diminish.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:56 PM
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65. You will never ever going to support him. Never.
Whatever he'll do, he'll never be good enough for you. But since i doubt you even voted for him, i guess i can't ask you to support him.
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 04:46 AM
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11. There are PLENTY of threads that are nothing
but Obama bashing. And plenty that get turned into that.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:28 AM
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18. what would you consider bashing compared to legitimate criticism?
could you give some examples?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:54 AM
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25. Show me one.
I'd like to see what you're talking about.
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:29 AM
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42. No
You know what I'm talking about, and if you don't, you're blind.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:46 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:57 PM
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:59 PM
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67. Then it should be easy to point out.
I'll wait.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 07:32 AM
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83. I need to see the evidence of your accusation. n/t
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:38 AM
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33. And the usual suspects wasted no time to jump on this thread.
It's interesting that they are not just satisfied with bashing everything Obama does, but that seem to have a tremendous need to mock and ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with them.

It's almost as if they have a need to have their opinion affirmed absolutely and a personal need to demean and mock those who disagree with them.

So instead of others just not seeing things in as dire of terms as they do and not subscribing to the argument that all opinion pieces that back their arguments are absolute truth, those that disagree with them are somehow inferior and gullible, and not smart enough to see the world as "clearly" as they do.

Unfortunately, it tends comes across as desperate rather than particularly convincing.


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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:06 AM
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39. You See...
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 11:10 AM by Steely_Dan
I think the over the top criticism...the passion in which people express their anger is based on so many things that have been repeated over and over again with specific examples. What stands out for me (and many others here) and I believe fuels their anger is that we feel betrayed. We have lived our entire lives fighting for long held tenets of our party. We have championed the causes that put people first and not the corporate elite. To stand by and watch a supposed Democrat NOT fight for the very basic tenets of our party is to many, an act of betrayal. This feeling of betrayal is particularly hurtful to those who sacrificed so much to help him attain the Presidency. Did they have unrealistic expectations of Mr. Obama? Probably. But who would deny that at least some of these expectations were authored by Obama himself. Hope, change we can believe in, etc. etc.

I think that President Obama is a good man. He is sincere and means well.

If he in fact believes in the tenets of our party, than I can only conclude he lacks the leadership skills to see them through. If he does not believe in the basic tenets of our party...well, that speaks for itself.

Today's Progressive is yesterday's Democrat...

As I have posted before...

I will try and be patient. I will try and understand that what I thought would happen with Healthcare didn't happen, but someday it will. I'll try and understand for now, that it is still okay to listen in on my telephone conversations. I'll try and put behind me the fact that we committed horrible war crimes and no one was brought to justice. I'll give it go to accept that banks received bailout money with little or no regulation to insure that the money (at least a crumb or two) would make it to the people. I'll try and accept my new role on the "radical left" when it wasn't that long ago, I was considered just a Democrat. I'll try and give my "new" Democratic friends the time they need to show that they have not abandoned the essential planks that have served the Democratic Party for decades and made us the Party of the People.

-P


-PLA
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:33 PM
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58. This is an excellent post.
I don't think there is anything wrong with haven't unrealistic expectations of the president. I think that without high expectations and ideals we cannot move forward in a progressive direction.

And I agree with you that Obama's leadership has been disappointing. He needed to change the tone in this country starting with the inauguration speech. He needed to say what should have been said after 911. That we need to get up off of our knees and fight. That if we are a country at war (even it's BS that we are) and that the American people need to act like it. That we put the war and our lives on a credit card and now it's time to stand up and pay up. That it's going to be tough, but that we are not going to leave this mess to our children and grandchildren.

He needed to start off with a no nonsense call to action. But he still hasn't done that. They are still pretending that war is free and that the only ones who need to sacrifice are those connected to the military. (Let's make it clear I was against both wars, but I also have a son and nephew in the military, and a niece who did 4 tours in Iraq. And I got sick and tired of tax breaks and telling people to shop while my family sacrifices.) He needed to dare people to shame themselves by whining about paying their taxes when our troops are being mutilated and are dying. This would have disarmed Republicans right off the bat and set the tone. That was his biggest misstep.

But we also need to stop pretending that the Republicans have not played a role in this. Their "just say no" strategy is repulsive and may ultimately destroy this country. Especially if those on the left continue to pretend not to see that it is a huge obstacle for Obama to get his agenda through and stop voting for VIABLE candidates. It's amazing what he has been able to get done with these morons.

And the hyper knee-jerk negative reaction from the left on nearly everything he says and does gets to be childish after awhile. The cynicism is overwhelming and not useful to furthering a progressive agenda. He's not perfect, but he's a far cry from being the nightmare that some people on this and other so called progressive boards portray him as.

What is useful is finding and campaigning for more progressive candidates in districts currently occupied by blue dogs. And making our message more palpable to those who would be on our side if could just get through to them. It's not going to happen overnight. Hell it might not happen in several election cycles. But if we stop beating up on the people who are on our side and understand their plight and understand that they are not necessarily liars or corporatists or betraying us, but are trying to do the best that they can with what they have to work with, who knows, maybe, just maybe we can turn the tide. But the cynicism is destructive and useless in ever furthering a progressive cause. And to be quite honest, and I don't think you are one of them, there are people on this board, and it's naive not to think so, that would be quite satisfied with that.

I don't believe everything that gets printed or reported in any media. I worked in public relations and with the media for far too long to know that they know spin sells. Even those on the left. I am highly skeptical of some of the claims of Obama's betrayals because some of the people spinning these tales have biases and agenda's of their own. And many of these stories jump the gun and are written as fact on assumption rather than on fact itself. I take most of it with a grain of salt unless it fits in with what I'm seeing in the overall picture. Some of it I wait to read legislation or to hear what Obama says.

The biggest flaw that I see in Obama is that he does not use the bully pulpit as well as he should, that he is too timid in addressing Republican attacks, and that he does not do a good job of explaining the benefits of his policies. He needs to be tougher and clearer and call on the people to stand up and be Americans instead of the self-absorbed fools about 1/2 have been acting like since Reagan told them that's what being an American is all about.

As far as health care not happening, again, we have an profoundly immature opposition party of "no" and blue dog senators from red states. HCR is not perfect, but it is a foundation to build on. I'm not a single payer advocate because I don't want Republicans, when they are in power, to define health care. But I do think the public option would have been great. That is something we can get later on, but at least we have something to build on. Not passing anything would have meant starting over at square one probably in another decade and the issue is too critical to have allowed that to happen.

And I have no reason to suspect that Obama is listening to my phone calls. Bush gave us reason to suspect this because he lied to us so many times and he criminally started a war on his lies. Obama hasn't done anything to make me believe he is anything like Bush or that I have anything to fear from him. I was afraid of Bush though and for good reason.

I appreciate the tone in your post and though we don't agree on everything, I think we probably agree on most. I just don't feel betray. I just look at it more pragmatically.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:02 PM
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73. Hansel...Well Said
Your post is excellent. And you are correct, I don't agree with everything you stated, but you have inspired me to reevaluate my assessment of Obama. I can be pretty hard on our president for some of the reasons you have outlined. I agree that he had such an opportunity right at the start and for whatever reason, I felt it slipped away. You have allowed me to take a deep breath and consider more of what he is facing. I appreciate your acknowledgement of my position and I hope that it will help others reach for their kinder angles.

-PLA
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 09:02 PM
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87. Thank you Steely_Dan.
You have inspired me as well to try harder to reach for kinder angles. I don't always do that but I'm glad we have been able to connect and hear each other. It's kind of nice.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:03 AM
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29. Maybe if you did STFU
something you like might happen. Every time you open your mouths, you convince people to do the opposite of what you want. That's what the likes of Obama have on you - they can convince people.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:21 AM
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30. so progressives should shut up and only let corporate lobbyists be heard in DC and
hope that some of what they demand will somehow help us?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:14 AM
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34. Or learn to be persuasive
Instead of thinking that just demanding and claiming victimization because you don't get a significant number of voters to vote for candidates who would do what you want, including the hard work of going after local offices and Congress rather than just putting it all on some sort of leftist-royal Presidency, it might work. But just whining that those elected are "corporatists" and insulting the voters by insulting their choices? That's going to work. :sarcasm: So maybe if you quit trying, changed your attitude or let someone with a better attitude try, you might get somewhere. But what I see on DU is evidence that the left is marginal because they don't even try to persuade the large majority and the soft center, they just demand what they want, naturally don't get it, and then start insulting everybody.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:41 PM
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46. How is it royalist to ask the president to side with the majority of his party?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:54 PM
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48. why do you think the ''soft center'' ever voted for Republicans? Is it possible that it was
that they outlined some clear policies and principles (albeit bad ones)and then actually tried to enact them into law when they won?

By contrast, the DLC way is to run on vague platitudes that are inoffensive to the ''soft center'' and right, and that the base can mistake for progressive initiatives, then govern as old fashioned moderate Republicans taking their marching orders from corporate America, essentially replacing Caligula Baby Bush with the slightly more humane Papa Bush.

Both the base and the ''soft center'' will see that as a reason for apathy not enthusiasm to vote for Dems and the rabid right will believe the Dems are socialist even when Dems enact Mitt Romney's health care reform.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:40 PM
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52. Was the DLC persuasive with the public on health care reform or the bailout or did they ignore
public opinion?

On health care reform, majorities of voters wanted a public option even in the states of Blue Dogs and DLCers, but they ignored public opinion and sided with the insurance companies.

http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&source=hp&q=health+ca...

Likewise, the overwhelming majority of the public opposed the Wall Street bailout, but Congress ignored them and passed it anyway.
http://pollingreport.com/business.htm

What you are calling radical leftists often represent the ignored majority opinion.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:47 PM
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53. if you mean persuade DLC, Blue Dog, & GOP pols, or the corporations they serve
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" as Upton Sinclair said.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:21 PM
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74. And crickets for all your good points. Typical. n/t
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:27 PM
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57. Great post treestar.
What really gets me about the radical left is how they threaten to sit out an election or throw away their vote on an unelectable candidate when they don't get their way. I'm so glad they are a very small minority. I'm so sick of them claiming they are our "base". What utter bullshit.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:56 AM
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91. the base is corporate donors who give pols money now and jobs when the leave office?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:56 AM
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92. are you counting base in terms of dollars or votes?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:59 AM
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93. I persuaded my union to support changing a state law. They did it and the law changed.
what have you got?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:51 AM
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37. Exactly
The Left has been ineffectual at convincing everyday Americans to support their positions.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 09:44 PM
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89. Funny, I've been thinking the same thing about people who
tell us that lefties must vote dem or risk McPalinization.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:24 AM
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35. Its better than what you did do, which is vote and then do nothing but bitch until the next one.
Instead of continuing the movement forward, working to push Congress to not water down the President's original agenda, liberals always do this shit instead. Bitch and moan and accomplish jack fucking shit. Then bitch and moan that jack fucking shit was accomplished. And if anyone says anything about it, you just label them as DLC as then go and bitch and moan about that.

Meanwhile, we let the crazy rabble rousing branch of the right claim all the media attention on grass roots efforts.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:27 PM
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51. how do you know what I did?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:40 AM
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6. I agree!
Over and over I have said this - NOTHING he does is right,but by saying "I don't think he will run again",,,causes such fear!


at least an independent group is already rating him high. ha ha!

let these freaks face weiner or grayson!!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:40 AM
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7. Not that this thread is passive-aggressive in the slightes, of course.
:eyes:
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:42 AM
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8. I agree.
Over and over I have said this - NOTHING he does is right,but by saying "I don't think he will run again"...causes such fear!


at least an independent group is already rating him high. ha ha!

let these freaks face weiner or grayson!!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:10 AM
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10. Haven't you heard?
We should be looking to the true patriotism of Grover Norquist, the leadership of Bobby Jindal, the halcyon days of real Americans like Richard Nixon.

I read those things right here on DU - so they MUST be true.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:02 AM
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28. Goddam right.
That Richard Nixon was a fine man, and he opened up the market over there in China, which is good for bidness.

And without his Southern Strategy the libruls wouda just got more votes in the elections from the slave states. It woulda meant we never mighta had Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott.

It was the hand of God that guided Nixon through the shitstorm of libruls and hippies and brought in the golden era of prosperity and truth.

May the saints be praised!

- - -

:hi:
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:23 AM
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12. oh good heavens . . . get a grip - he's an elected official
He really can't walk on water.

There will be those who dislike what he does, and dislike who he is. And guess what - that also applies to us. It is a simply the way things are.

It is no different from the RW. They feel the same way about junior - yet we make fun of them for it. And guess what . . . .
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:54 AM
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14. I completely agree Writer...
the comments here lately are absolutely mind-boggling.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:56 AM
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15. According to Allan Lichtman the 2012 election is over before it starts he's going to be REELECTED
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 07:57 AM by bigdarryl
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:04 AM
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16. You are right of course
I know for a fact that I dont deserve him, I am unemployed been looking for work now for 5 months without even an interview, my last job I took as a school janitor because no one is hiring in my field.

When I see the President compromise and basically give away things that liberals have been fighting for for 50 years. I think to myself, yeah I deserve much better than this. So you are absolutely right, why should I continue to support a President that I dont believe cares about what is going on in my life and so many other people who worked for years, worked hard and now cant even find a job as a janitor in a school.

So I totally agree with you.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:11 AM
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17. we don't *deserve* him?
:rofl:

We were certainly sold a different man than we got. But I do agree, 2012 should be a pass. Let's get a candidate who understands the term *truth in advertising*.

:eyes:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 10:09 AM
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84. Troll. (nt)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:37 AM
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20. While true that many of our most sincere, genuine public servants are better than we deserve,
they are doing what they most want to do - trying to make a better world.

In addition, there are many genuinely good Americans, who are not getting the government they deserve. An easy example, are the millions, who lost unemployment benefits in June for nearly two months - just so the Republicans could have a talking point. I am sure that among them, there are people who are good, caring people. Neither they, nor the leaders, are ever flawless. There are few, if any, saints among us. (I suspect that they are even less likely among leaders - as selflessness is likely not as helpful as ambitiousness in gaining that role.)

In addition, anyone who becomes President (or even Senator or Governor) likely relishes the chance to have the power to make policy. For all the flack they take, they are also positioned to get more genuine sense of accomplishment than less powerful people. Even when you look at most of those who do not succeed, they still get support from their "base". As to Obama, while he has a huge number of nearly intractable problems he faced (and faces), that situation also places him to be an exceptional President. On balance, he has gotten far more ovations than brickbats from his first two years. His is a position that nearly any of his former peers (other people who seriously contended for the Presidency) would easily trade with their own.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:45 AM
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21. Well, now, THIS is a fresh approach to campaigning!


Actually, I remember that being said about Adlai Stevenson when I was much, much younger. He won 9 or 10 states against Eisenhower.



:shrug:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:53 AM
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24. It sure makes me all warm 'n fuzzy inside.
:eyes:
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:51 AM
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23. Well, you won't get too much sympathy on here! I understand what
you mean but dare we say something nice about President Obama on here, the granite cookie will soon be delivered!

Hang in there, soon we all will be gone!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:00 AM
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26. I don't even deserve to read this post.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:01 AM
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27. I think he will run and win
Over two years out, I'm not going to worry about that election yet!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:30 AM
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31. what we need to hear from the DLC cheerleaders is why Obama pandered to rather than
pressured the corporate owned minority in the Democratic Party, particularly when Democrats had the votes in the Senate to pass whatever they liked without any Republicans.

It would have been an easier path than giving away the farm in the fruitless quest for GOP votes.

In the case of health care reform, a handful of corrupt Democrats stood in the way of a public option that would have made Obama an unquestioned success in the eyes of the progressives who donated, campaigned, and voted for him. Instead of bringing the full weight of his office AGAINST this minority, he put them in charge of drafting it, and they nearly destroyed it by letting insurance companies largely write it then dragging their feet so long that they actually lost the super-majority before they passed it, which could have killed the whole thing.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:31 PM
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61. On health insurance reform
I'd bet the bank that Obama got exactly what he wanted all along.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:30 AM
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32. The Republican field is so weak for 2012 that even a
crazy man like Rick Santorum thinks he has a shot at the GOP nomination.

While President Obama still faces significant issues challenges, the Pukes actually are losing ground in their game of obstruction and character assassination. What has worked for them in the past is not working very well now. The Baggers are channeling a potent mix of anger and stupidity and the so-called mainstream GOP have their hands full trying to bring the Baggers to heel. And that has been a mixed success at best.

Points in the president's favor are stand-alone points, but they become even more sharply drawn when the primary opposition party's potential 2012 candidates are fools and blowhards.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:50 AM
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36. I deserve a President who does not oppose my equal rights.
So do millions of other Americans. So I agree that we deserve far better than the current crapola. Good for you for understanding that!
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:54 PM
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64. Yea. The next one will not oppose your equal rights
And obviously this is crap. He has done nothing to prevent your equal rights.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:57 AM
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38. The American Left Doesn't Want To Do The Hard Work Nor Take The Responsibility of Leadership
They are narcisstic and lazy. They want economic, social, and political change delivered to them like a pizza. Instead of organizing and working with the people directly to get those things. They want Obama to deliver it to them like an errand boy.

It's far easier and fun to swamp a message board bitching, whining and complaining.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:00 PM
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56. Hogwash- read my post about Jeff Merkley
Trouble is, we have all too many people who'll roll over to the right because some politician that they worhip tells them that's what they should do.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:46 PM
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 06:32 AM
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81. That is definitely true
Exhibit 1: Summer 2009, teabaggers attack town hall meetings to protest health care. Progressives????? Nowhere to be found(to any significant extent).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 06:51 AM
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82. Yes, that's exactly why we fight so hard.
:sarcasm:


Being ignored isn't being lazy. For example, I do more than write on boards. I am a former precinct treasurer, delegate, and a volunteer at every every election cycle. I vote on every Democratic Party platform at the state level. I've also been a disabilities rights activist.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:10 AM
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40. Nah, just stop reading DU for awhile and you will see that there
are more likeminded people out there. We have to keep working. Don't give up based on this board. It's infested with negativity...not constructive criticism.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:13 AM
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41. I agree 100%.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:44 AM
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43. We deserve far better!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:53 AM
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44. He's our employee
He does some good things and some not-so-good things.

We have every right to both praise and criticize him.

And there is no way he won't run in 2012. He's a very ambitious politician, and ambitious politicians don't drop out of the game at half time.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:31 AM
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94. Ambitious politicians don't drop out of the game at halftime? What about Sarah Palin?
She didn't even complete her Governor's term, and is still out there. She's also a serious (for a Repuke anyway) candidate for a 2012 run.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:54 AM
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45. Please convince him.
It would give me the first glimpse of hope I've had since January '08.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:52 PM
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47. well... there are 2 choices.
One is a DLC sorta' corporate DEM like Hillary... the progressives will be left wanting but at least the economy might be better and one could argue that after he 2008 primary... if the DEMS judge Obama a failure, Hillary deserves a shot.

Second is a true progressive like Dennis Kucinich... but that's unlikely in a national race.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:54 PM
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49. Yep. He should go home. He's wasting his health. Let "progressives" have someone better in the WH
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:48 PM
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54. So it's either/or? Either accept everything he does or nothing? You guys don't like democracy much
do you?
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:52 PM
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63. When you';ll start to accept SOMETHING that he does, then we can have some sort of debate
But when you call the most progressive president in decades and the third progressive president in 100 years "Bush-lite" or "sell-out" or some other BS name - then there's really nothing to talk about. So "we guys" making it all much easier for "you guys": In two years this whole Obama nightmare will be over.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:38 PM
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69. I liked the student loan reform, some aspects of health care reform, and hope that
he will start pressuring the more corrupt wing of the party to get in line with the progressive majority instead of vice versa.

That is hardly hoping he fails or saying he is a sell out.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:40 PM
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70. I like his increasing the National School Lunch Program reimbursement beyond inflation.
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:56 PM
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 04:42 PM
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68. Enjoy your stay!
:popcorn:
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moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:21 PM
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60. Deserve? How creepy.
Yuck.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:47 PM
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71. sorry your perspective is backwards ...
Elected officials SERVE at the discretion of the American people ... not because we are worthy.

They were ELECTED by the people to SERVE US ... and to enact legislation and run the government that

the people want ... for the people by the people.

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 06:26 PM
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72. From your mouth to god's ear.
No one deserves the shit we've been put through.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:55 PM
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75. Could you extrapolate on this a bit...
specifics are better than a simple broad statement w/o any back up.

What happened that makes you feel like he should only go one term?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 12:39 AM
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76. You have a point. I find I'm asking myself a lot WTF we did to deserve this. nt
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 01:27 AM
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77. I want President Obama to run again so that he can finish what he
promised and if the Repubs run Sarah Palin (the quitter), then the Dems will get in again.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 02:14 AM
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78. I agree with the OP. It is sickening that so many dems have stopped supporting Our President ;( n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 02:22 AM
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79. Cynics Critics and whining will lead us to defeat
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:57 AM
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96. Agree. He is the best we have and if he doesn't run we will be settling
for a lot less or nothing at all (Republican).
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 03:17 AM
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80. Nah. I want to see who
all the people who are complaining want to put up as a realistic primary challenger.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 03:58 PM
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85. The way some posters are around here is hilarious. You'd think Obama were the only president who
experienced second year blues in the polls. Most presidents have--even ones who went on to win re-election in landslides: Nixon, Reagan and Clinton. This too shall pass. Obama will run again and be renominated and in all liklihood re-elected.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:53 AM
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90. he will be re-elected. The question is how much good he does and whether we let corporate
lobbyist put a cap on the good or we demand more.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 08:50 PM
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86. The majority of Americans
who went to the polls in Nov. 2008 voted for Obama. So, yes, this country got what it deserved.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 09:40 PM
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88. He's done a terrific job during some of the most trying times in our history.
Kudos, Mr. President. You've got my vote.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:46 AM
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95. Good thing for you that Obama isn't a petty, thin-skinned crybaby
like so many of his supporters here. n/t
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