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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:15 PM
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Not happy with Obama? Let's talk about where we would be if McSame and Wolf Shooter had won:
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 10:22 PM by RBInMaine
1) Combat operations escalated in Iraq, NOT ending.
2) No Afghanistan timeline. ENDLESS war.
3) Little to no stimulus. Little or no green energy investment. DRILL BABY DRILL !! YAY!
4) GITMO FOREVER. KEEP ON WATERBOARDING !!
5) US car industry GONE. Not making the Chevy Volt. Not hiring 55,000 workers. Etc.
6) ZERO unemployment insurance extentions.
7) ZERO progress on healthcare.
8) ZERO progress on Wall Street reform.
9) NO SCHIP extention.
10) NO fair pay law.
11) NO elimination of reproductive choice prohibitions.
12) TAX CUTS FOR MILLIONAIRES EXTENDED FOR FUCKING EVER. YAY !
13) NO work to end DADT.
14) *** Two more right wingers on the SCOTUS for fucking LIFE. How about that one. YAY !
15) Hundreds of thousands of cops, firefighters, and teachers off the job with more crime, more deaths from fires, and 40 kids per classroom.

And just how about those jobs numbers? Hm. Wonder just where they would be? Gaining at least some jobs, or at 15% or so straight unemployment?

Think about it folks. This all sound good? If not, keep working for Dems, voting for Dems, supporting Obama and Dems, and thanking our lucky freaking stars we have them. Remember the Bush days? We're fucking-A goddamn well better off today than we were under Chimpy, or would be under Grumpy Grampy and the Alaska-Import Whacko Lady.




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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:17 PM
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1. And imagine if Reagan were still alive.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:18 PM
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4. Shit, if so they'd re-nominate him they way they adore him, even if he was 100 years old.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 10:22 PM by RBInMaine
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:19 PM
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5. OK...he'd be really old...his mind would be completely gone...and he'd need diapers
In other words, pretty much like the old days.

Was there a REASON you wanted us to imagine that?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:23 PM
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6. When he said he "didn't remember" about Iran/Contra, he wasn't lying. He ALWAYS had Alzheimers.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 10:24 PM by RBInMaine
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:00 AM
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19. apples and oranges. I can be unhappy with Obama and vote for
him and being unhappy with him doesn't merit a lecture on what it would be like if the other assholes won. I, unlike most of you on this board, have already had 2.5 years of what it would be like with caribou barbie in charge. I can criticize obama when I feel like he and I part ways. I don't need my loyalty as a dem or a du-er questioned with examples like this because that is what it feels like. Ask me questions about what its like to live under an idiot's rule.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:39 AM
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37. Has Obama ever done a single thing that you like? Or is it only criticism?
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 08:39 AM by RBInMaine
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:43 PM
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119. Is there anything relevant here?
You're annoyed with the "lecture," which you feel was unmerited for you specifically, I got that. But you're annoyed because your loyalty is being questioned? Where did that come from?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:17 PM
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2. This is very rational. K&R up to 0. n/t
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:18 PM
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3. Scares the crap out of me! K&R! n/t
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discopants Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:24 PM
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7. ...and they would still have blamed Obama for all of it.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:28 PM
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8. The reason I will K&R this thread is specifically #14. I CANNOT be stressed
ENOUGH how important this is. Imagine if we had TWO MORE right wingers on the court right now (a 7-2 minority on the HIGHEST court in the land, with no end in sight). That ALONE would be devastating, and should give one pause. However, it doesn't mean we stop PUSHING President Obama (et. al) to the left. The push must continue, but without cutting our own throats. "MAKE me do the right thing." We must take that to heart.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:30 PM
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9. Hell let's talk about where we'd be if Kucinich had won
And that would be nowhere because absolutely NOTHING would have passed Congress.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:38 AM
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36. Yup. And the truth that some just can't understand is that Kuinich can not win nationally. Period.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:25 AM
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50. Kucinich is an elected Democratic member of the United States
House of Representatives, holding that seat by the choice of the voters of his districts, much in the same way that your State picks Republicans to sit in those chambers.
And the only person talking about Congressperson Kucinich is you. Slamming a Democrat, for extra points I guess.
Maine puts Snowe and Collins in the way of progress. Why is it that you feel no urgency to make that right? You take issue with elected Democrats, with Democratic voters, and your state elects nothing but mealy mouthed Republicans.
Good show! My Rep is Peter DeFazio, want to slam him too? Obama does. So feel free. We don't care. He is cross nominated by the Democratic and Independent Parties of Oregon, and will waltz to victory.
Jeff Merkely, Democrat, sits in the Senate now in his second year, next to Ron Wyden, Democrat, both elected by the people of Oregon.
So you are telling me what now? How to elect Snowe? Sorry, not interested. I elect Democrats. If you want some tips, feel free to ask. Or, just keep sending the GOP to the highest Chamber, for all time, and keep lecturing other Democrats, who actually elect Democrats.
The proof is in the pudding.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:56 PM
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70. rock on!
:thumbsup:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:46 PM
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92. BS ! I only said he couldn't win NATIONALLY. He can win in Cleveland, but not everywhere.So Chill !
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:24 PM
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140. US senate isnt a local office
It is a national office
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:09 PM
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142. Right fucking on! nt
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:54 AM
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61. Show your proof that he cannot win nationally
Cuz you say so just doesnt cut it.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:03 PM
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71. The proof is in how many times he has tried and, every time, epically failed to get anywhere.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:48 PM
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76. Well, there's that...
:rofl:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #61
85. Show some proof that he can win even statewide
then we'll talk about national aspirations.

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:23 PM
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139. Pssssst!!
He was elected to the senate 6 times
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:55 PM
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145. No, he was elected to the House from his district.
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 05:55 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
He's not a senator.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 08:00 AM
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151. The house is a federal office
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 10:01 AM
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152. Ask and you shall receive
How did Kucinich do in the 2008 Democratic primaries, where "The Based" should have its greatest influence?

New Hampshire was the high-water mark. He received 1.35% of the vote. This was in a state where he received decent media coverage and had a competent campaign manager.

Arizona: 0.43%
Arkansas: 0.13%
Connecticut: 0.24%
Delaware: 0.20%
Georgia: 0.20%
Illinois: 0.21%
Mass: 0.24%
California: 0.34%
Missouri: 0.10%
Tennessee: 0.16%
Louisiana: 0.37%
DC: 0.16%
Wisconsin: 0.24%
Vermont: 0.65%
Minnesota: 0.16%
New York: 0.45%
New Jersey: 0.28%
New Mexico: 0.38%








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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:50 AM
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59. well, you never need to worry about that
He can never win.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:36 PM
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86. The kind of America that would elect a Kucinich...
...is the kind of America that would accomplish far more than this one has.

It's also the kind of America we should be trying to build.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:11 PM
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143. +1! nt
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:30 PM
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10. thought provoking..
you should start a thread.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:33 PM
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11. 15% unemployment is right
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 10:34 PM by KingFlorez
And bombs over Tehran.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:54 PM
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18. I really do think they'd have bombed Iran by now, or at least made
concrete plans to do so.

My opinion only.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:41 AM
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39. Bingo. They'd be revving the populace up
over some incident that has actually happened but has been passed on by now - it'd be all over the media, whatever it is.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:36 PM
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12. Surprised at all the unrecs, then again, a thread promoting Kerry's anti-hepatitis plan was unrec'd
here last night.

Just so you know, some of you have gone batshit crazy.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:41 PM
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14. I unrecced it
Apparently my unhappiness at the Democrats' promotion of conservative policy and ideology means I think Republicans are just peachy.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:48 PM
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15. Sigh...Conservative policy and ideology is nothing close to what Democrats are "promoting"
But thanks for coming clean with your muddled thinking, anyway.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:48 AM
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23. You are either very young or simply incorrect
Busting unions, empowering corporations via threat of IRS penalties for non purchase of a faulty product.
The belief that equal rights are only for the "more equal than others" crowd (in other words straight Christians).
Supply side bail-out strategies, rendition, illegal wars, the belief that known felons should not be charged with crimes if they are the political elite.

These things (and unfortunately I could go one for at least two more paragraphs) were once considered conservative policies and ideologies, and they (conservatives) still agree with them in principle, it is only recently that they have been adopted by the Democrats as well (beginning with the DLC in the early nineties) and made sacrosanct by the Obama/Reid/Emanuel Democratic leadership.

Many of us still hold to the ideology and policies of the former Democrats and understandably see very little difference between the parties now that the hard right DLC leadership has made our policy nearly identical to Reagan's.


If you are a young man then you were brought up under the new Democrats and simply don't understand what Democrats are supposed to stand for, I suggest reading as much as you can about FDR as a primer to understand why these policies are right wing to people that understand policy.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:31 AM
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29. What a pedantic bit of irrelevant condescension
Anyone who invokes FDR without acknowledging the obvious fundamental differences between his age and ours (he was most popular with southern whites and race was a relative non-factor in national political outcomes as was the now corporate-owned media, just for starters...oh yeah, I could on for two paragraphs but you're not worth it) is living in cloud cuckoo-land.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:30 AM
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34. Fine, you are young and smart and will do it yourselves.
You won't need any of us over-40 types to campaign, give donations, phone-bank, help during election day, and walk door to door. You have no interest in us or our experiences.

Good to know, in 2012 I'll have more time and money on my hands for other activities, because I sure won't make the mistake of helping folks who are so ungrateful. Good luck with your election.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:48 AM
Original message
Dupe
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 09:49 AM by BeyondGeography
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:48 AM
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54. And what "experiences" would those be?
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 09:52 AM by BeyondGeography
I'm turning 51 this year (only on the Internet would I be called young...how exciting). My experience is watching government be systematically undermined and dismantled for the past three decades, very often by the same people who once supported FDR (starting with Ronald Reagan himself and the legions of white Americans who fell for him). This is not a criticism of FDR, mind you, just of those who mindlessly point to him as whom Obama should emulate (give him 60-70% of the working/middle class white vote and Obama would out-FDR FDR).

At long last, Obama starts the process of reversing all of that history and restoring some power to government and a) the Right calls him a socialist and b) many "progressives" call him a conservative sellout and issue idle threats of non-support in future elections as "punishment," like you and Professor Whatshisname above. Self-destructive empty-headedness, that's what's really getting old.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:57 AM
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56. If you are 51 you should remember Reagan -
please explain how Obama's rush to privatize everything is different from his policies. Also please explain (with details) how Obama has "reversed" anything since Bush's rule. The only one I will give you is Kagan - she is a fair choice and would not have been appointed under a repub. Health care was a sell-out, education is being privatized under Duncan, war is escalating in Afghanistan. Social Security and Unemployment are being threatened. So tell me how this is any different from the last 30 years.

As far as "idle threats" - you all can take your chances. Completely alienating your base is not a good idea. Just my opinion, but I predict if that continues you will see big losses in 2010 and 2012.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:02 AM
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57. It's not for me to explain anything to you
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 10:03 AM by BeyondGeography
or any other lost soul on the Left who can't tell the difference between Obama and Reagan or Obama and Bush.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:51 PM
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67. We're not lost - we're paying close attention
and we can see damned well that voting the rascals out ain't workin' for us. By "us" I mean those who work for a living (whether our salary is minimum wage or in the six-figures). If you are not living off your stock portfolio, then chances are you're probably a working stiff whether you yet admit to it or not.

So we'll have to try something new.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #56
88. what about Sotomayor
Is she chopped liver?
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
87. Groan
Some of the young may be jerks, but it is also foolish to ignore the fact that FDR had Southern Whites behind him, something Fox has taken care of.
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #34
112. You got that right.
+ a billion.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #29
62. "irrelevant condescension" and "muddled thinking" -- a pure projection on your part.

And so is "living in cloud cuckoo-land". :shrug:


In addition, you're very rude.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:55 AM
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138. Deleted message
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
120. Sigh...
"I could go on for at least 2 more paragraphs"
"I suggest reading as much as you can about FDR"

There's this person who sends me notes about the coming "Islamification" of the U.S. He's always going on about his years of "research." I sometimes ask him to give me something concrete as a point of discussion, and I get something like the above. I blame our schools.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:08 AM
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #23
154. "the hard-right DLC leadership"
Like Bill and Hillary Clinton?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:23 AM
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33. +1
Exactly why I unrecced it.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:40 PM
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13. Let's not. It's not relevant. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:50 PM
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16. wow is it list-attack night or what?
p.s. your list is even less well thought out than the previous one.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:49 PM
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17. Oh boy! The "what if" and "would be" game.
Is it possible to have supported Obama and work to elect him and still be disappointed in him? Does this really need to be portrayed as an either/or scenario?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:39 AM
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26. It's the only thing .............
the die-hards have left. To be honest, half the list is a bunch of bullshit.

It still remains to be seen if the two Obama appointments to the SCOTUS are true progressives, or if they are like Ginsburg. Ginsburg is progressive on social issues, but she's a tad bit too conservative when it comes to big business.

Even Bush extended SCHIP.

Unemployment benefits would of had been extended. If anyone cares to remember, Rethugs threw one of their own under the bus several months ago when he put a hold on the last round of unemployment benefits. The only reason it's a political football now is because of the upcoming midterms.

Democrats would of still controlled both the lower and upper chambers, thus the whole Iraq argument is bogus.

When your argument is weak, the only attack left is to persuade through fear.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #26
69. His whole list is BS -
At this point all I can think of that is positive on Obama's list is Lily Ledbetter and Kagan to the Supreme Court. The rest has been a very disappointing continuation of Bush's policies. It's time to stop coddling the wealthy through tax cuts, end the wars, and see if we can work on our infra-structure a little (maybe some jobs could be created there).

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #69
99. Your response is the BS. It is a purist view without a sense of political reality. Take a class.
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 07:03 PM by RBInMaine
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:31 PM
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117. OMFG. LOL. How about *you* take a class, you sound like you might benefit from one.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:54 AM
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131. "OMG." Explain to me then how ANYONE was going to pass more given Senate rules and the diverse Dem
caucus. You act like we have Obama and 535 Dennis Kuciniches in the legistlative branch so can just pass whatever ultra-progressive bills we want. This is why you must take a political science class and learn how our tri-part government works. Please trust Rachel Maddow and Van Jones when they tout the huge accomplishments and PROGRESS (the root of "progressive") we have seen under this President.
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:09 PM
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126. Even Bush extended SCHIP
He vetoed it twice and then gave it skeleton funding.

"Democrats would of still controlled both the lower and upper chambers, thus the whole Iraq argument is bogus."
Maybe. McCain might have redepolyed from Iraq, but control of congress is essentially irrelevant to what a hypotheical president McCain might have done. No offense, but I think your "Iraq argument is bogus" argument is bogus.

Obama's appointments to the SCOTUS: Wow, you can't even concede we're better of with Sotomayor and Kagan over what a we would have gotten with a hypothetical McCain-Palin team.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:10 AM
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20. Think where we'd be if Mao was president!
Or what if Shrub could've had a third term!

You sir, have low standards and must have failed logic 101.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:13 AM
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21. What if Mao had a Martian for a VP? Now that's terror!
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 12:13 AM by Safetykitten
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:07 AM
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22. VOTE TO DIE SLOWLY OR ELSE THE REPUBS WILL PUT A BULLET IN YOUR BRAIN
How very inspiring the official meme is, I am so enthusiastically looking forward to voting for neoreaganomics and the victory of a slower lingering death because I get to avoid the die faster option!!!

Yeah!!!!
so inspirational,
did you know that once upon a time our party was not the lesser evil, in fact it was the opposite of evil, can I hold out for real hope, or must I settle for more privatization and fallating of corporations at my expense because I have no choice but decide which of my interests I AM MANDATED to vote against?

Thank you for your concern and your message of hope but in all truth I am among the 90 percent left behind.
I will cheer as loudly as I can which at this point is a whimper to the inevitability that I will (no matter what I do) vote against my self interest and survival, yeah Team!! whimper....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:44 AM
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:16 AM
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49. You cant refute a single syllable
...so you stoop to personally attacking the poster.

Fallacy: Ad Hominem:

Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:34 AM
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51. That's the stuff.
Gratutious personal attacks. Vicious bullshit flug. Democratic candidate and his supporters slammed and criticized weeks out from election day.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:45 AM
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42. Not happy? Then go get those you really want ELECTED. Can't? Then count your blessings.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:46 AM
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53. But who do you elect? Snowe? Collins? And yet you lecture?
You should drop the ad hominim meanness and consider listening, learning how to elect Democrats to office from those of us who actually do that.
Do you like Snowe or Collins bestest? What if one of them ran for President? What if it snowed in Vegas for a week, and they had to bring chains for the cars in from up north? That would be wild! Of course, even Nevada sends Reid to the Senate.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:19 AM
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63. Yeah, no shit
The only state in the New England region to still have TWO Repuke Senators. If the "Democrats" over there are like the OP, there's no doubt that will continue to be the case.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:42 PM
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81. It would certainly explain why he's so happy with what we've got. n/t
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:37 PM
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91. Where does this kind of nutty response come from? How do Snowe and Collins get into it? All I have
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 06:44 PM by RBInMaine
done is work like hell to defeat Snowe and Collins in this state. Don't even think about putting something so nutty on me. I have burned enough shoe leather working like hell for Dems over the years to put many of the backseat bitchers entirely to shame. In '08 we had a choice. We made a good one, and if people are going to be such nutty purists as to crap on almost everything Obama and Dems do in the face of a GOP that is virtually evil and considering what we could have had with the other ticked, then I and many good Dems are going to damn well fire back and hard. This is nutty purist noneness that only helps RePUKES. Occasional criticism is one thing. Making a career out of it is something else, and some here do. Are you happy with ANYTHING Obama has done? If so, can you spend a second or two talking about that, or is it just bitch bitch bitch forever? My point was get out there and elect more of who you'd like if you aren't happy. If you can't, count your blessings. And as to Snowe and Collins, I'll remind you that as shitty as they are overall, they at least break ranks sometimes (they are among the precious few who do), and we have a Dem legislature, a Dem governor, and two Dem House members. Take the challenge instead of just tossing the ball back. You are talking to a dedicated, years-long Democratic activist, and I sure as hell don't need tit for tats about working to elect Democrats. Your response is just avoiding the point instead of facing it.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:32 AM
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24. Well you all can carry on in effusively about the chest high in stead of neck shit. The rest of us
are going to keep reaching for the shovel.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:24 AM
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25. Well, imagine if we had 3 or 4 viable parties to choose from.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:42 AM
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40. Ever hear of the Libertarians? Greens? New Alliance? Socialist? Communist? Tea Party? Go join !
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:26 PM
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122. I was just thinking about that.
I'd always thought that seemed like a good direction, but something gave me reason to reconsider. I was reading some articles about the dangerous increase in anti-Islamic sentiment in the UK. Some political parties like the British National Party and the Tories, it seems, have been fanning the flames to boost their political prospects. It occurred to me that that is a danger of a multi party system. As ugly as anti-Islamism can get here in the U.S., the 2-party system, I think, restrains some politicians from being as hateful and inflammatory as they'd like to be. In Europe and the UK, there doesn't seem to be much political restraint. I'm not suggesting a clear causal relationship, but I think it makes sense that extremes can gain more voice in a multi party system.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:44 AM
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27. Thanks for the reminder and list of accomplishments!
:applause:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:47 AM
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28. Probably not the best list you could have chosen
since we aren't getting out of Iraq or Afghanistan. There is no meaningful green energy investment. The stimulus went straight to the corporate pockets and stayed there. We still aren't rid of GITMO type facilities. Very few can afford to buy the Volt, especially given the impracticality of its limited range. Do you really want me to continue down the list because I can.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:34 AM
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:42 AM
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52. Why the vicious inferences of mental illness?
Personal petty attacks, tell me what that does to help elect Democrats. I think it just tweaks your joy buzzer, it is an indulgence on your part, sliming others with arch comments and insinuations.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:11 PM
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:46 AM
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129. Politics is tough stuff. Incessantly hammering Obama out of purist ideology is indeed irrational.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:54 PM
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93. Horseshit ! Allow me to refute your nonsense:
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 06:54 PM by RBInMaine
1) 80,000 or so troops already out of Iraq. Been in the papers.
2)BIGGEST investments in green energy EVER. Tell the many green co's that have gotten grants they aren't meaningful.
3) Gee, I guess all those teachers, firemen, cops, construction workers, etc. employed all over this nation due to stimulus were just "corporate pockets," along with the pockets of all the working families that got payroll tax cuts.
4) They are trying to work out a GITMO plan. Want it in your backyard? That might expedite it.
5) So don't build the Volt? Don't try, even with the purchase subsidies? Don't make electric cars? (REALLY SILLY THING TO SAY !) Also, after the initial 40 electric miles the gas kicks in, but MUCH more efficiently.

No, you don't need to go on. I feel too sorry for you as it is. Such sad negativity.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:39 AM
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30. ...making things so bad that Progressives would elect the next president in 2012!
As bad as things are for so many, depressed conditions are just not that visible. Unemployment will have to reach 20%, before the majority of people demand true Progressive change.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:49 AM
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31. Logic and Reasoning Won't Persuade Many of Obama's Critics
They live in a world where there are never compromises nor that there are members of the electorate that vehemently disagree with them. They vote as well.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:09 AM
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58. Or his giddy, star-struck fans, for that matter. n/t
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:21 AM
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64. If you are looking for logic and reasoning
you won't find it in the OP. Or any other of his insane ranting threads, for that matter.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:06 PM
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72. compromise is good when it's others who do all of the compromising..
be sure and drop me a note the next time the sensible centrists make a compromise on anything.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:48 PM
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124. ...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:02 AM
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32. A perfectly reasonable, and highly illustrative, exercise.
Shame that those who most need convincing will simply dismiss it and try to rationalize their own ignorance.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:40 AM
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38. And notice the zero and the nos
So it would hardly be that they'd need a Repuke Congress. That's why Rs seem to get what they want in power while we don't. Rs don't want the government to do anything - we try to create new programs. They just leave things as they are and passively fail to enforce (the executive branch's job) the law where they don't agree with it.



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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:47 AM
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43. Hateful line of "reasoning"
Not happy with the asbestos in the house you bought? Let's talk about what it's like living on the street.

Not happy with the quality of food at McDonald's? Let's talk about what starving to death feels like.

And so on.

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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:49 AM
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44. What if Hitler had won WWII?Holy shit we'd be screwed.Even worse than
Obama's screwing us now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:00 PM
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:02 AM
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45. Glass half full?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:14 PM
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108. God damn right half full ! Our glass would be filled with PISS if McAssole and IdiotLady had won.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:14 AM
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47. The thought of half-term and McMansions running the country - yuk
makes my hair stand on end.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:16 AM
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48. Or what if Lincoln rose from the grave to take the GOP nom?
What would happen then?!?!?
I tell you, I am far too busy thinking about how different our nation would be if Democrats in States that elect Republicans to the Senate would focus on that problem rather than snipping at others, who actually elect Democrats to every possible office. I mean, your voice in the Senate is Snowe and Collins. How can that happen if you are so insightfull and hard working?
As usual, I stick with advice from winners, not from those whose lack of engagement put obstructionists into Congress. I look at who you have elected, and I wish to be nothing like you, electoraly speaking. I want to elect Democrats, and keep them there. Not sure what you want, save for trashing those who do deliver victory, and whining about fantasy scenarios.
What if Reagan was still alive? What if? What if. What if Snowe and Collins were sent home, and Democrats put in those seats? Now that is a possible reality, I say anything you did in the past, do it differently, and try to win!
You bring us the twin Centrists and you also dare to lecture those who put actual Progressive Democrats in office. We liberals understand that Obama types like Snowe better than liberal Democrats, and to them, having Republicans in office is dandy, much better than 'those people' or "progressives" at which you all sneer until you need votes and money.
I count wins. I remember losses. Obama won. McPalin lost. That is how it is supposed to work, the Democrat wins. Apply that to Maine, and go forward from there.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:56 AM
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55. That's a no brainer and I'm not content with 'everything'
that's been done but ANYTHING POTUS does or does NOT do, is a helluva lot better than the alternative.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:53 AM
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60. This seems to be a meme.
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 11:18 AM by Beacool
Things could be worse and let's blame everything on Bush.

I don't think that either is going to work in November. The economy is still in very shaky ground, unemployment figures (just released yesterday) are depressing. Real people are suffering, they are worried and even scared about their future. They don't want to hear how things could be worse, they want to hear what the WH and Congress are going to do to remedy the situation.

It may be unfair, but the Democrats are running the entire show (not really since the Republicans can still block legislation), but in the public's perception the Democrats are more to blame because they are the ones in charge.

I don't know if any amount of explaining how much worse we would be if the Republicans were in charge is going to make much of a difference. People seem to be in a "throw the bums out" mood.

:(

Edited to add this thread. One of the most depressing ones I've read in a while.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:11 PM
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66. They may not want to hear it but the fact remains, we would be
much worse off, had the alternative prevailed. Perhaps I'm giving voters too much credit, but I think they're smart enough to know that our party has been infiltated with blue dogs and THEY should be GONE!! It can never be said that every effort has not been made to implement bipartisanship, but to no avail. So, indeed, we are in charge. Thank God.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:24 AM
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65. Sing along with Mick & Keith
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21rek_rolling-stones-...

SALT OF THE EARTH
M. Jagger/K. Richards)

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Say a prayer for the common foot soldier
Spare a thought for his back breaking work
Say a prayer for his wife and his children
Who burn the fires and who still till the earth

And when I search a faceless crowd
A swirling mass of gray and black and white
They don't look real to me
In fact, they look so strange

Raise your glass to the hard working people
Let's drink to the uncounted heads
Let's think of the wavering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead

Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio


And when I look in the faceless crowd
A swirling mass of grays and black and white
They don't look real to me
Or don't they look so strange

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's think of the lowly of birth
Spare a thought for the rag taggy people
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the salt of the earth
Let's drink to the two thousand million
Let's think of the humble of birth

Lets raise our drink
To the salt of the earth
Lets raise our drink
To the salt of the earth.......
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:57 PM
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68. So you are saying we should settle for mediocrity because the alternative was much worse?
This is an old and very tired argument, how many fucking times have I read this post on DU.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:07 PM
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73. I'd settle for mediocrity at this point...
That would be a giant step up from where we're at now.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:44 PM
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75. What term would you use for where we'd be with a McCain presidency? nt
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:07 PM
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78. It's hard to describe something that I've never experienced.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:13 PM
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79. I think that is a cop-out answer my friend nt
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:04 PM
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100. And how many times have we heard non-reality purists bash Obama? WE are sick of THAT.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:27 PM
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144. The reality is the country is in the shitter
if you havent noticed. How's that for some reality.
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:08 PM
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121. No, restating an opponents argument
in a way that shifts the direction is what's old and very tired. No one said or suggested anything about settling for mediocrity.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:44 PM
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74. Rec - I am grateful every day for what we accomplished as a country in 2008 nt
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 10:11 PM
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127. Hear, hear! n/t
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:00 PM
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77. I'd rather talk about Howard Dean's second term.
Public Option celebrating it's 4th year anniversary.
Gulf of Mexico waters turning more blue.
Thanks to subsidies, the 2nd generation of the volt is nearing testing. Saturn/Oldsmobile Group celebrates it's 3rd anniversary as an independent car maker.
Raytheon opening a wind turbine generator factory in Ohio after their military contracts dry up. Forced to compete in the free market, Raytheon is doing well.
GE opens a solar panel factory in California, their second in 5 years. Scale economics slashes average panel prices in half. As a result of that...
Colorado halted construction of their new coal fired power plant in 2007.
Nissan, Toyota, Target, Best Buy and Wal-Mart have been successfully unionized.
Hundreds of thousands of cops, firefighters, and teachers are given raises, since municipal tax revenues are nearing record levels.
The Mag Lev Line, from Disneyland to Las Vegas will begin operations in September. Penn & Teller will make it disappear.
New Orleans just added 5000 more public housing units last year, effectively doubling the low cost housing since before Katrina.
4 VERY liberal judges, to the left of Ginsberg have been appointed to the Supreme Court. The Citizen's United Case was laughed out of court.
Wall Street banks now number in the low 200s, thanks to actual enforcement of anti-trust laws.
Tesla approaching the sales numbers of Mercury.
Glenn Beck is in rehab, again.
Phil Gramm is in jail.
Dick Cheney got a heart pump... in jail
George Bush finished his coloring book... in jail
Some unknown Governor from a northern state just quit half way through her term. Only local news picked the story up.
Media companies now number in the upper 80s, thanks to anti-trust laws being enforced and Rupert Murdoch leaving the US in disgust.
There will be a memoriam on Tuesday Aug 10th for the 3rd anniversary of Sean Hannity's suicide.
Unemployment is at 4.3%
Medicare, part D was replaced with a better drug plan and Medicare itself was opened to people aged 55 and older.
Cigna and United Healthcare went bankrupt. Employees were forced to find work in telecom, because of a big push to lay high speed internet networks.
Gitmo was sold back to Cuba. Monies will go to paying down the national debt.
The National Debt now stands at 2 Trillion and going further south, thanks to less dependency on foreign oil, and US manufacturing is picking back up.
President Dean finally admitted that gay people have the right to marry. Said that he was wrong and naive. Then he yelled "YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!"
16 states now have protections for same sex couples to marry. Senator Barack Obama is dismayed that his state of Illinois is one of them.

It's now been 4 years since the last soldier was brought home from Iraq, and 3 years since the last Marine was brought home from Afghanistan. Neither country is causing much trouble on the international stage.

Since you like ludicrous fantasy situations, I thought I'd offer mine. :hi:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:13 PM
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82. God damn every last useless coward in the DLC
especially Robert Gibbs, Richard Gephardt, and Tom VilSUCK, for what they did to steal that from us. :evilfrown:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:02 PM
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98. No, Dean lost. Pure and simple. VOTERS chose Kerry in Iowa. Enough of the DLC excuse.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:26 PM
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111. Blah blah blah. Right wing talking point. Defend the evildoers. Bash the liberals.blah blah blah
rinse repeat etc.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:49 AM
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130. I guess you missed the Iowa caucuses. Dean and Gephart fought and split their base.
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 09:50 AM by RBInMaine
Kerry on the other hand stayed positive and very grassroots and won. The VOTERS chose. So quit with the whining about the DLC. That had nothing to do with it. People like you use the DLC as a sad excuse every time your candidate doesn't win. Stop the lame excuses. Either you win or you don't. In the end, the voters choose. Excuses are for children.
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:06 PM
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115. Dean lost because he was going to break up the media.
The very next day the media went after him with the filtered scream and played it over and over.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:45 PM
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123. That's why I put that in his accomplishments.
Someplace in The List! :P
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:02 PM
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114. Bravo!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:41 PM
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80. I guess I just thought "Hope" meant something more.
Silly me.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:08 PM
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104. What more do want that COULD be gotten given the political SYSTEM we have?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:23 PM
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83. "Not happy with Obama " does not equal preferring that the Repubs had won.
Democratics used to respect diverse opinions within their own ranks. When did it change? I missed the memo.

It's one thing to insist that posts here support a president with a (D) after his name, it's quite another to stifle all dissent with his administration's stance on some issues. Do we really want Democrats to take on the narrow-minded, one-size-fits-all view of conservatives?

Think about THAT.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:17 PM
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89. + a whole bunch
That was my first thought.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:07 PM
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103. Some criticism is one thing, the severe and endless bashing is another. How about attacking the R's?
Isn't that supposed to be the MAIN point of Democratic Underground?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:14 PM
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116. No, the main point of Democratic Underground is supporting Democrats.
Attacking (R)'s is just a happy byproduct.

Although some posters may go overboard in criticizing the president there are also ardent supporters who IMHO go overboard in trying to shut down ANY criticism of Obama. I can't name names because that would be against the rules but suffice it to say that I rarely post in this forum because of the knee-jerk bashing of anyone who doesn't post glowing comments about the fine job being done by this administration. I could post ten complimentary things about him but if I followed that with one post on a disappointment (such as the way the health insurance reform bill was wrangled) and I could predict that some combination of three or four ardent supporters would reply to accuse me of wishing his downfall.

I've noticed this pattern and my reaction? These days I rarely post anything positive about the president. No need to -- the cheerleaders have that ground covered quite nicely.


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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:58 AM
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134. So if it is about supporting Democrats, why the constant bashing of Obama and Democrats?????????????
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:46 AM
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136. There isn't constant bashing of Obama and the Democrats
so it's hard to answer your question.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:51 PM
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84. And just imagine if someone reanimated the rotting corpse of Pol Pot
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 04:52 PM by QC
and put laser death rays in its eyes and forced it into the White House by means of a bloody coup resulting in the deaths of tens of millions.

That would really suck.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:59 PM
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95. Sounds like a middle schooler channeling his latest video game.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:34 PM
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90. This is such a lame argument
We could ask where we'd be if McCain, Palin, Fred Phelps or Tinkerbell was president - But they aren't. Obama is. That is the reality we have to deal with. It's insipid to set the bar so low as to trot out the worst possible scenario and say "Look! We're doing better than we would have with what's his name as POTUS." We need to demand the best from our president, who most of us here helped elect. Stop with the damned 'what if' posts. It reeks of desperation.

Unrec
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:57 PM
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94. Yours is the lame response and way outside reality. Life is entirely about degrees and
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 06:58 PM by RBInMaine
differences. Yours is a purist worldview outside the real world that leads one to bitch incessantly.
Go on with your endless purity and complaining. YOUR view is the lame one. You will obviously complain forever if you don't get everything you want.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:00 PM
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97. I would expect as much from you.
Nice try. Isn't working.

:thumbsdown:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:05 PM
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101. Tit for tat. Want to impress me? Tell me what you ARE happy with. Anything?
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:11 PM
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107. Want to impress YOU???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:15 PM
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109. C'mon. Answer the question. Go ahead. Name something Obama and Dems have done that you can say you
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 07:19 PM by RBInMaine
are happy with. Name a few things. Ever spend any time here doing that? I'd honestly like to know.
I really always thought the main point of the site was attacking RePUKEs and networking with Dem and Dem leaners to defeat Republicans at the polls. Do you agree? Or is it to just bitch about Dems and Obama? Because there is another site called Free Republic that would welcome you if that is your main mission.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:18 PM
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110. Over 100 posts on your thread
and not ONE rec. I think that says it all.

:patriot:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:57 AM
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133. And Bill O'Reilly has higher viewer ratings than Rachel Maddow. What does that say?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:06 PM
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102. Wish I could rec your post. n/t
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:09 PM
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105. Thank you n/t
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:33 PM
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118. no kidding.
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:44 PM
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113. If you have to preach it then there's something wrong.
IMO
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:00 AM
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135. What is wrong is the purists who bash virually anything short of ideological purity.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 09:48 PM
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125. Why not talk about what would have happened if Dr. Doom found Thor's hammer? nt
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:55 AM
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132. Well, um, gee, they weren't running. McCain and Palin were, and I for one am glad they lost. You?
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 09:56 AM by RBInMaine
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:39 PM
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147. Oh no! You've unmasked me! I really was hoping McCain and Palin would win!
Your razor sharp wit and intellect has bared my soul to the harsh, unblinking light of day ---and I am. undone.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:02 PM
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128. Guarantee we'd be near war with Iran and on the outs with Russia
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:48 AM
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137. On the bright side, we have some kick-ass scandals to talk about (nt)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:07 PM
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141. I voted against McSame and Wolf Shooter. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:10 PM
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146. this talking point is old and tired
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:52 PM
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148. I think the point isn't so much what McCain/Palin would have done as much as it's
that candidate Obama presented himself as a very different person than he has turned out to be so far as President.

"One Must Remember That Obama's Rhetoric And Action Are Disjoint
The Rhetoric is alive with hope and change.
The Action is replete with reconciliation and appeasement.
It is as if the man is at war with himself.
How can one so conflicted be expected to stand firm and act?"--posted last year by a wise DUer

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 01:45 AM
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149. Let's not. Let's talk about reality, and things that really DID happen.
McCrasher and Failin' DIDN'T get elected. Barack Obama DID.

He owns the Presidency now.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 06:44 AM
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150. No need to. They aren't in office. Irrelevant and speculative.
And I do not think either of them will ever get elected to the Presidency.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 04:51 PM
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153. I always say when you
are fed up with the progress of this administration they can always change their vote to repug. And the repugs keep telling them exactly what they will do. I am so tired of people believing that we are losing support for our President. Well I support him fully and there may be things that I don't like in particular but I don't have the statistics,reports, intel or other factors to base my disappointment on. Somethings he may not do because he can't make it happen without enough support. When I see people listening to the everyday poll on polls on polls mainstream media stations I think they must have went to bumfuck America junction and did the poll because it never reflects what I think.And just because you have enough people to repeat the same thing over and over and offer no alternatives,give me a break.
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:14 PM
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155. Right. Just like you'd be better off getting slapped in the face than shot in the head.
Personally, I'm voting for neither option.
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