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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:15 PM
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Robert Gibbs says Democrats could lose House in November
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23no392

President Barack Obama's chief spokesman says it's possible that Democrats could lose their majority in the House this fall.

Press secretary Robert Gibbs says there's no doubt that enough seats are in play for Republicans to take control. Gibbs says the outcome of the fall vote will depend on whether Democrats wage strong campaigns.

Is this unnecessary alarmism or is it wise to try to motivate the base by pointing out the stakes in the upcoming election? And will talk like this discourage potential Democratic voters, or not? And will it merely encourage the other side?

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I had thought that while they might pick up some seats, it won't be enough to be able to take over either chamber. But if this is a plausible threat, then I have more to worry about than I thought. A GOP takeover of the House would be an unmitigated disaster.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:16 PM
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1. It is unnecessary alarmism. Control of either house is not at a great risk.
Dems will lose seats, to be sure, but not the numbers to lose the House.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:26 PM
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10. Almost like expecting Gore or Kerry to beat Bush
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:38 PM
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18. I'll bet any amount of money Dems hold the House.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:27 PM
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12. It's a realistic proposition and it needs to taken seriously.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:40 PM
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24. Show me the 40+ House races you think we could lose.
The worst case scenario, IMO, is a loss somewhere around 20-25.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:49 PM
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30. 20-25 is bad enough. We would still control the House to be sure, but 25
more votes on the other side combined with Blue Dog votes would make things much more difficult.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:11 PM
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54. Intrade has the pukes at 56% winning the house and the trend isn't good.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 06:48 AM
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94. The only problem is it's not November
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:54 PM
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34. Realclearpoltics has it dead even in the House..
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:55 PM by DCBob

House Democrats
Safe: 150
Likely: 23
Leans: 27
TOTAL: 200

House Republicans
Safe: 165
Likely: 10
Leans: 25
TOTAL: 200

Tossups: 35

Assuming, "Likely" and "Leans" go the way they are now, then its a "tossup".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/house/2010 ...


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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:29 PM
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13. Really? How many people right here on the DEMOCRATIC Underground won't go vote in Nov.? n/t
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:36 PM
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15. I think that when it comes right down to it, that vast majority of DU-ers will end up voting
Democratic in November. There might be a few understandable exceptions, such as in the Florida Senate race.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:39 PM
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19. Not many at all.
Most say they will vote, and we are just a fraction of those who do vote.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:53 PM
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32. alarmism to scare people into voting for the same people who haven't helped main street
Guess it's okay to fearmonger on either side, isn't it?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:02 PM
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41. Please, take your case of depression and negativity to a psychiatrist. Many of us prefer to stay
positive and look toward kicking GOBP ass this fall. And we damn well can if we work the ground and get out and vote. It is that simple.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:32 PM
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56. And, I guess we'd get more help if the other people get elected?
This type of thinking is exactly what's going to get us in trouble in the fall.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:52 PM
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78. Work hard for that Green or Socialist candidate
If they lose, you will not have accomplished much, but you'll be true to principle.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:55 PM
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86. Bullshit.
Sorry to put it in such harsh terms but there is an absolutely solid chance we will enough seats flip to hand over control. I would put the odds at 50/50 at this point. It's not right or fair but the scumbaggy gNOp kicked up enough dust and ginned up enough unwarrented anxiety to cloud out the actual reality. Here's hoping the Dems are able to put things back into proper perspective. Remember...those fucks are the ones who drove the car into the ditch to begin with.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:06 AM
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96. that's what they said in '94 too.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 01:42 PM
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97. All signs point to a massive GOP wave--40+ seats
The GOP leads in virtually every generic poll, and the economy is dragging the Democrats down.

The worse Washington DC looks, the worse Democrats will look in November.

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 03:02 PM
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102. It's not alarmism, it's an attempt to avoid complacency in a mid-term election.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:21 PM
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2. How Long Before Impeachment
If the Republicans take over the House, how long before they impeach President Obama? I mean, they'd start digging right away - on the real estate transaction for his Chicago house, the Blagovich/Senate Seat and the supposed job offers to progressives contemplating a run for office.

Obama hasn't done anything wrong here, but that wouldn't matter. They would use the investigation to tie up the House rather than working with our President to help the American people. The stuff that comes out of the investigation may be embarrassing for Obama, even if it isn't illegal. Finally, the more they investigate, the more likely they are to find some stupid but innocent slip that ca be used as grounds for impeachment.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:23 PM
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6. It would take at least another 6......
...minutes or so for them to quit patting themselves on the back. Then they would start thinkin about it.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:25 PM
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9. Well, never underestimate the stupidity of that pathetic political party.
They tried that against Clinton and it backfired politically. But you are right. That doesn't mean it might not happen again.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:45 PM
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28. They are guaranteed to do it. They are the party of "You Lie" and the Teabaggers.
They have shown nothing but contempt for President Obama.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:21 PM
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3. Distinct possibility
Remember Scott Brown? Might have been a fluke, but probably not.

The Democrats have held Congress for four years, the Presidency for two. Now comes the referendum on how well they've helped the average American.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:24 PM
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8. Brown won due to a very, very, very SHITTY Dem candidate and campaign. What it does tell us is that
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:31 PM by RBInMaine
that the TeaIdiots and the GOBP are motivated and WILL turn out. BUT, if we do our work and get the hell out and vote, there are a number of seats we can actually PICK UP.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:39 PM
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21. That is why we need to take this seriously. We need to get the voters
back to the polls and make sure we have good candidates running. I am lucky living in NE MN - we will win and we have a good candidate. I am going to spend anything I can afford to defeat Bachmann the idiot.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:41 PM
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25. GOD DAMN RIGHT. Here I am from Maine, and I sent Clark a donation. SHE'S GREAT @ KICKING ASS !
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:47 PM by RBInMaine
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:58 PM
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39. Was she worse than, say, Kerry or Dukakis?
This is Mass - we don't exactly have a history of showboating.

I voted for Coakley, but a lot of acquaintances didn't, and most had the same reason "why bother - they're all the same". These are people who had hope a year ago, now crushed.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:06 PM
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42. Crushed? Then tell them to go see a psychiatrist and find reality. FDR didn't end the Great
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 01:07 PM by RBInMaine
Depression overnight. These days, they probably would have stayed home on him too. What petty, childish shit. As to Coakley, I'm from Maine and donated and made calls from home for her. But she ran a SHITTY campaign during a major recession. If Capuano had run instead, he'd have beaten Brown's ass. Brown held 66 campaign events. Coakley held 19, and every other word was a gaffe. Nice person, but case closed.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:20 PM
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46. FDR did much, much more than Obama
No comparison. He immediately went to work for the average Joe and Jane. And the economy turned around quickly.

Obama, on the other hand, shut the best minds out of the WH (e.g., Krugman, Stiglitz) in favor of people with awful track records, continued to bail out the economic royalists, and gave the rest of us a finger-wagging lecture on personal responsibility. He dropped a public option for health care the first chance he got, then claimed he never ran on that as a plank in his platform (does he realie we all have YouTube?). Huge credibility issue.

And here we are.

I guess we'll see what happens.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:09 PM
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67. Re-Check your history.The depression lasted 12 YEARS, and you want Obama to fly in like Superman and
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 03:10 PM by RBInMaine
fix the worst recession since the Great Depression overnight. It took WW2 to end the Great Depression. Yes, FDR did many great things. But that was a different time with different circumstances, and he had VERY large majorities to work with. Obama has arguably done more than any President in this little time since FDR.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:32 PM
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72. FDR took immediate steps to reduce unemployment - and it immediately started dropping
Under Obama, unemployment is *increasing* as measured the way it was before Clinton started cooking the books.

Unemployment under FDR decreased. Unemployment under FDR increased.

However, the bankers are doing much, much better under Obama than they did under FDR.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 09:39 AM
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95. In January 2009 we were losing 750,000 jobs per month, now we are gaining 150,000 to 250,000
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 09:40 AM by mikekohr
?

Payrolls May Have Climbed for Fifth Month


Employment probably grew in May for a fifth consecutive month, pointing to gains in wages that will help U.S. households ride out the turmoil in financial markets, economists said before reports this week. Payrolls may have climbed by 508,000 workers last month, the biggest increase since 1997, according to the median estimate of 64 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The gain reflected a surge in government hiring of temporary help to conduct the census and a 180,000 rise in private employment, according to the survey. Other reports may show the economic rebound is broadening beyond manufacturing as service providers, including retailers and construction firms, see a pickup in demand. General Electric Co. is among companies hiring, saying the European debt crisis is unlikely to derail the recovery from the worst global recession in the post-World War II era. The labor market is clearly improving, said James OSullivan, global chief economist at MF Global Ltd. in New York. At this point, theres enough momentum in the economy to outweigh the drag from the turmoil in Europe. Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=alc ...



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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:27 PM
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48. That was earlier in the year, it doesn't count for a thing at this point
The PA-12 special election a couple of months ago indicated that the Republicans aren't gaining much ground. The Republicans couldn't win the only district that voted for Kerry in 2004, but flipped to McCain in 2008.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:21 PM
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4. They do next to nothing to maintain support of the base for two years
....then when they see that the base really IS angry at them for doing next to nothing that the base were promised they trot out fear to try and keep us in line.

The admin woudnt need to try to instill fear of the GOP winning if they had remained true to the base of the party.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:36 PM
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:40 PM
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23. Your reality is stagnation, which most were rejecting by voting for Obama
Your message boils down to "take what you can get", which is bullshit and runs counter to the REAL change this country desperately needs.

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:45 PM
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27. Bullshit ! List exactly what you wanted passed, and then tell me how you were going to get it all
through congress just exactly as you would like it. Tell me. Then let me again remind you to go find reality and count your blessings. Show me a single government at ANY level ANYWHERE in America that is the pie in the sky purity you want. Compared to the GOBP, Dems are damn good, and that IS saying a hell of a lot. Not happy, go join the Nader nuts and win NOTHING !
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:53 PM
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33. I think that you both have good points. We will never see absolute purity, but that is no excuse not
to continue to push the Administration to work harder to accomplish more.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:58 PM
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38. They've accomplished MORE than about any other administration in so little time.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:59 PM by RBInMaine
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:41 PM
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51. Then you have nothing to worry about. You can rest on your laurels until Nov n/t
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:56 PM
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59. Not what I said at all. The opposition party is ALWAYS more energized in mid terms. We need to WORK.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:01 PM
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52. We just wanted him to *try* to live up to his promises
That's not so much to ask, I think.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:54 PM
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58. On what planet do you spend most of your time? Fair pay law, DONE. Healthcare, DONE.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 02:55 PM by RBInMaine
Almost 100,000 troops out of Iraq by the end of the summer, DONE. Stimulus with middle and working class tax cuts AND the largest investments in green energy ever, DONE. Ending all kinds of rules limiting choice here and abroad, DONE. Financial Reform, almost DONE. Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell, ON THE WAY. And the list goes on, and on, and on. Not happy? PROVE you can ELECT someone better. Until then, get real.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:21 PM
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69. Healthcare not done.
Why is it that the Obama admin chose to not allow the vast bulk of the "benefits" of HCR until after his re-election attempt? I'd think they'd want us to love them that much more when we saw how great it is. Unless it actually sucks. It does nothing to reduce the rate of spending except for imposing a new tax on some in the middle class (breaking a campaign promise), and it does not have a public option (breaking yet another campaign promise). It's probably more garbage like the now-in-effect prohibition on rejecting children with pre-existing conditions - but with no cap on how much insurers can charge these unfortunates, which is the same thing as allowing rejection.

What else would you like to discuss? Massive escalation of the Afghan War to fight an estimated 100 al Qaeda members? Continuation of endless imprisonment without judicial recourse, warrantless wiretapping, and "extraordinary rendition"? Bailing out the bankers using $12+ Trillion of our tax dollars with zero new rules to prevent a repeat? Slashing Social Security?

Awful stuff.

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 06:06 PM
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88. Quit your whining. Healthcare favorability is up 7 points over unfavorability. He is doing
exactly what he PROMISED on Afghanistan. By the end of the next month almost 100,000 troops will be out of Iraq since he took over, just as he promised. We have the biggest investment in green energy in our history. The stimulus created or saved around 2 million jobs. You want purity. That has never happened in America, and it never will. So welcome to the real world. If you have a sense of reality, you'll whine less and count your blessings more. Not happy, then vote for the other party then see how much you bitch.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 03:52 AM
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92. You forgot some things.
Continuing torture? DONE. Guantanamo still open? DONE. Extraordinary rendition defended? DONE. Presidential power to assassinate Americans? DONE. Indefinite detention without a trial in direct violation of the Constitution? DONE. Continued redistribution of wealth upward? DONE. More "Free" trade to screw American workers? DONE. Return the United States to the rule of law as campaigned on? Oops. Forgot to do that one. Defended war criminals? DONE. Kept KBR, Xe, and other immoral parasites sucking at the public trough while working to defund ACORN? DONE.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:06 PM
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66. DELETED
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 03:07 PM by RBInMaine
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:22 PM
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5. It depends on how it is said. STOP feeding the narrative that Dems are going to lose BIG, but DO
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:27 PM by RBInMaine
press the message that the GOBPers will be motivated and that it is imperative that we wage strong campaigns and get the hell out and vote. If you make voters feel that a massive GOBP wave is inevtitable, they may say "Why Bother" and not turn out.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:23 PM
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7. Never rely on a rational electorate. Look at the UK...
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:24 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...where people upset by and suffering from the economic downturn went out and delivered control of Parliament to a party who promised loudly and in advance to make things worse.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:26 PM
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11. Uh uh. Gordon Brown = SHITTY CANDIDATE and after 13 years of Labour there was a change. Also,
Cameron ran as a MODERATE even vowing to increase spending on their national health service. Also, Labour actually still did fairly well, and the Tories couldn't muster enough votes for a majority win.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:36 PM
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16. Increase NHS, but fillet everything else.
And that was an acceptable enough mix for the LibDems to sell out.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:39 PM
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20. Of course after 13 years you're bound to have some shift. And again, Brown stunk as a candidate.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:42 PM
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26. The good people of the UK...
...went to the polls, and eyes wide open, threw the bums in. End of.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it -- good and hard."- H.L. Mencken

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:46 PM
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29. 13 years. 13 years and a shitty, unpopular fellow in Gordon Brown. That is the END of the story.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:34 PM
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14. I would assume they're trying to wake people up
Or maybe there's a real panic.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:40 PM
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22. It's a wake-up. You just have to be careful in how you word things. There is no reason we can't do
just fine if we campaign well, ATTACK the RePUKES, and get the hell out and vote.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:20 PM
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68. And that's pretty much what Gibbs said. From the OP's link:
Gibbs said retaining House control would depend on strong campaigns by Democrats. "I think we have to take the issues to them," he said, adding that the primary argument would be how Republicans would govern as the majority party.

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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:51 PM
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31. people calling this alarmism have their heads in the sand
If you've been unemployed for a sig amount of time your going to blame whomever is currently in office.

Democrats should be talking jobs jobs jobs they should be giving little time to other issues.

Like it or not thats how voters react, if you've been unemployed for a long time your going to be looking for

blame and life isn't fair ... Its not going to be the Republicans anymore no matter how many people think

they are the bogyman. Thats reality, all too often forgotten at DU.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:55 PM
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36. Good points, but also ATTACK the TeaRadicals damn good and hard ! You have to BRAND the
GOBP as going BACKWARDS on jobs, social policy, green energy, etc. etc. More than anything: Make a strong and CLEAR case, ATTACK HARD, and work the grassroots HARD !
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:16 PM
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45. "Talking" jobs isn't the solution.
"Delivering" on their promise of JOBS is the solution.
FDR showed us HOW to do this.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:57 PM
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60. FDR was another time, AND it finally took WW2 to end the Depression which last 12 years ! And,
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 02:58 PM by RBInMaine
we have added thousands of good jobs, especially in the green energy sector. Also in construction. What you don't get is the MILLIONS of jobs lost vs. government's capacity to simply "create" them. It is a different world today. We got a 700+ billion dollar stimulus. Millions of jobs were created or saved. The glass is half full, please.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:25 PM
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70. not to burst your bubble but ...
Your right ... the GLASS IS 1/2 FULL all over America right now.

Nice academic analysis.

However, it isnt reality ... The average voter doesnt give dam about what you wrote at all.

I'll say it again, slowly .... the unemployed are hurting badly and they are going to take it out on whomever is in charge at the time

of an election.

Its that simple, they dont give a dam about green jobs, they dont give a rats ass about FDR, what they do care about

is how the hell they are going to feed their family and pay their mort. if they havnt already lost their house.

Obama needs to start talking about what his plan is to dig this country out of the whole its in and he needed to do it yesturday.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:29 PM
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75. Don't worry about my "bubble." I guess you haven't seen my many other posts in this forum. First,
Obama HAS been talking about his economic plan over and over and over (it's been in a few hundred papers and on a few hundred You Tubes): stabilize the banking system and get capital flowing again, end the bleeding with the stimulus, programs to address the mortgage crisis, re-regulate Wall Street, middle and working class tax cuts and credits, invest heavily in the green economy through grants and credits, keep the unemployed insured, bring down healthcare costs and expand healthcare, invest in small business incentives, and end bad trade practices. Much of this has been done or is ongoing, no thanks to the RePUKES. He just gave a big speech in Nevada this past week, AGAIN, on virtually all these points. But he has also said time and time again that with 8 million jobs lost in the worst economic collapse since the it will take several years to fill that hole. I know that it is ALWAYS challenging for the majority party at election time in a recession. And I know that jobs is ALWAYS the main issue in a campaign. People need to see the reality of the situation, that it was RePUKE deregulation policies that caused the mess, and that it is going to take more time to recover than a year and a half.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:16 PM
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82. he needs to deliver to the American people ... thats the point
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:54 PM
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35. The Administration Signaled a Few Weeks Back That This Was the Strategy for November
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 12:55 PM by PopSixSquish
Remind people of what the GOP did when it was in power and then ask them to make the comparison. Do you want to go back or go forward? I saw a commercial this morning for John Oxidine (GOP gubernatorial candidate GA) this morning where the voiceover bragged that as Insurance Commissioner, he "refused to implement parts of Obamacare".

The GOP wants to take things away from the American people, like health care, civil rights, jobs, security. And the Democrats and the President while admittedly far from perfect, want to help the American people.

That's a stark difference between the parties and pointing it out is a wise tactic...
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:56 PM
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37. And this comparison has been the center of the Obama speeches. Also ATTACK the GOBP as do-nothing
TeaIdiots.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:03 PM
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53. Another round of "we suck less - who the fuck else ya gonna vote for, chumps!?"
That's worked so well for our country,
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:59 PM
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61. Not happy? Then prove you can elect better people even in RED territory. Can't? Then quit bitching.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 03:00 PM by RBInMaine
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:25 PM
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71. First, prove that you exist
I'm not sure why I have to *prove* anything, particularly the unprovable.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:48 PM
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:52 PM
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84. I think your post is against DU rules
As are many other of your posts in this thread.

"Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post persona attacks against other members of this discussion forum."

I guess we'll see if this is enforced.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:58 PM
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puzzlingpond Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:01 PM
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40. I think the repugs will take some seats but not enough
for a takeover.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:09 PM
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43. You prepare for the worst and hope for the best
The White House would be negligent if they didn't go all out in this (or any) election. If there is one lesson to take from the Brown fiasco is that one should never be confident in victory.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:00 PM
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63. Prepare for the worst and WORK LIKE HELL for the best, and ATTACK the RePUKES !
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:13 PM
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44. Simple, really.
Run on "CHANGE".
The People give you a huge mandate for "CHANGE".
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*Deliver the same old Pro-Corporate shit.

*Increase Military Spending, expand the WARS.

*Ignore the Working Class people getting thrown out of their houses.

*Turn your back on HealthCare, and deliver 30 million forced customers to the Health Insurance Industry.

*Tell the Working Class to Take a Hike while reassuring the very RICH that they will never know a day of discomfort.

*Actively and very publicly participate in Union Busting and campaigning FOR Anti-LABOR conservatives in Democratic Primaries.
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*Cry and blame "Liberals" for not voting FOR politicians who work AGAINST their interests.
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Haven't we seen this routine before?


The DLC New Team
Progressives Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

"When given the choice between a Republican, and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican every time." ---Harry Truman

QED Massachusetts

...and soon to be demonstrated again in Arkansas.
Thank You, Democratic Party Leadership, for supporting the Anti-LABOR candidate. :grr:
You really pulled back the curtain and showed your True Colors to the nation in Arkansas.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:47 PM
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:21 PM
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47. No one can say it's not possible
I think it's very, very unlikely, but it can't be dismissed.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 06:08 PM
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90. I agree it is VERY unlikely as long as we are real, campaign, and vote.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:37 PM
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49. Do we want this guy to be the Speaker of the House?
Hell, no, we don't!
You know the one MSNBC's Joe Scarborough says can be found barhopping every night in D.C.


(Win McNamee/Getty Images)

"It's not reported, but so many Republicans tell me this is a guy that is not the hardest worker in the world," said Scarborough on Wednesday's edition of Morning Joe. "Every Republican I talk to says John Boehner, by 5 or 6 o'clock at night, you can see him at bars. He is not a hard worker."

http://blog.buzzflash.com/dailybuzz/967

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:40 PM
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50. Gibbs is just stating the facts. Unless we work our asses off
to prevent it, we WILL see a Republican holocaust in November.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:02 PM
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64. Well, "holocaust" is a little strong, but yes, we need to CAMPAIGN and ATTACK the GOBP HARD ! Do
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 03:10 PM by RBInMaine
that, and we'll be ok.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:29 PM
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55. As a Dem voter, I feel hearing information like this from Gibbs gets me fired...
up to start back to working for our party. We cannot afford to take anything for granted. We might shake our heads and somewhat laugh at the tea bagger candidates, but apparently the Brown win in Mass. was no fluke because now we have Angle leading Reid, and Fiorino and Boxer neck, and neck. Yes, a DISASTER is in the making. I know these are Senatorial races, but the same applies. We've got to get busy.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:04 PM
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65. START TODAY. Write letters to the editor. Go to your local campaign office and sign up. I have.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:54 PM
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80. Exactly. Taking it for granted is not an option.
Look at Brown/Coakley.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:54 PM
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85. I know. Sad, missed opportunity. If Capuano was the candidate, Naked Man Brown would have LOST.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:49 PM
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57. Gibbs also said Dems just need to campaign well and vote, and he said GOBP leadership would SUCK.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 02:50 PM by RBInMaine
SNIP AND SPIN SPIN SPIN.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 02:59 PM
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62. Anything
is possible from a historical perspective:



link







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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:41 PM
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76. People have no historical perspective. Looking at that chart all President's
lost seats in the House except FDR one time, Clinton one time, and Bush one time. I would argue in 2002 that it was the fear from 9/11 only that kept the House in Rethug control.
Let's face it, mid terms usually suck for the President's party, sometimes not much and sometimes a lot.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:49 PM
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77. I wouldn't even want to chance this. Bohner is to much to take. n/t
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:53 PM
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79. I'm beginning to think they're trying to lose ON PURPOSE!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. Ultra cynical post. C'mon.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 01:59 PM
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98. Well, it's not unprecedented when you're talking about Gibbs.
He deliberately threw the 2004 Presidential election before a single vote was cast.

Useless motherfucker.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:03 PM
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81. Teabaggers (most of the republicans) are fired up. It can happen easily.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 05:50 PM
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83. Not "easily" as long as we campaign and ATTACK the TeaIdiots.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 09:13 PM
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91. WH support is lukewarm from most, and the teabag crowd is fired up, so yes, I agree, they could get
the House, but I doubt it, and hope that is true. I am saddened/frustrated by Obama's centrist right tilt on several issues (ongoing wars, defending patriot act, guantanamo open, BP being put in charge of this, DADT still ongoing, DOMA being defended by the govt saying Gays are like incest, etc).

Lets just hope that the candidates for the DEMS/Independents are strong and liberally progressive and can outwit the do-nothing GOPers.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 06:39 AM
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93. It is in the nature of elections
that one can always lose. Generally, a loss is attibuted to not campaigning hard enough and failing to get your voters to the polls.

He is just saying the fairly obvious, it seems to me.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:08 PM
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99. He just stated a FACT-there ARE enough seats in play. He then went on to say it'll be a choice
between moving forward or going back to the failed policies, with people like Boehner comparing the economic disaster to an ant, and like Barton apologized to BP.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:35 PM
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100. I'm having a
hard time getting fired up by this. I was fired up in 2006 and 2008 but now, not so much. At this point I'm starting to think it will take another round of corporate Democrats and whacko Republicans in power to wake the majority of people in this nation from their American Idol stupor to fight back.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:59 PM
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101. No, its not unneccessary alarmism, just read DU
about how the left is all demoralized. One wonders how demoralized they will be in 2011 should the repukes take the House or the Senate.

Its time to fight, not cry.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 03:10 PM
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103. Yet, it's the very people here who are demoralized that claim it was unnecessary alarmism.
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 03:10 PM by jenmito
Hmmm...
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besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 03:22 PM
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104. breakdown
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 03:22 PM by besdayz
its not any of the people here that i worry about....they will all fall in line, like a good little pet dog.

its the masses who aren't engaged.....democrats are all about coalitions

1. blacks -- doubt we'll match historic turnout of 2008
2. latinos --- rumbles in that community about failed promises on immigration reform.....although they certainly hate republicans more....
3. unions -- this white house has gone out of its way to bash, castigate, and lose the union vote.....
4. single women ---- the 2 female sCOTUS apptms help with the woman vote but idk
5. white male vote- lost in 08 will lose much bigger in 2010
6. business vote-- financial reform will hurt wiht this crowd.
7. jewish vote-- i'm guessing they aren't happy with recent developments and handling of peace process but this is usually sorted by
region more than ethnicity. in florida, republic. in cali, democrat etct

regions
1. northeast--will come home in november
2. west coast---still ours
3. midwest--the hardest hit part of the jobs market will probably defect in huge numbers
4. south--never had it never will.....oh and the gulf coast esp. hate us now.....

too bad guam and puerto rico don't have congressional seats.....
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