What Truman did with MacArthur, Obama needs to do with McCrystal!

[Robert DAH Bruce]

Sorry, General, but, in this country, your role is to keep your fucking mouth shut and submit to the civilian authority!

It appears that Gen. McCrystal Meth has been spending too much time in the poppy fields. Disagreements with the Commander-in-Chief are to be expressed in private, not hung out on the line unwashed.

President Obama needs to find a military man, as opposed to somebody who appears to be auditioning for his own show on Faux!

[sailor65]

1. Find a "Military" man??

There has been no president since Kennedy worthy to even shine the shoes of most "Military Men" as you put it, much less smack one down. Miltary men are not puppets, nor are they meant to be.

[tinrobot]

2. A true military man respects the constitution

The president is the Commander-in-Chief according to our constitution.

Period. End of story. No shoe shining involved.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

3. Puppets? No.

Subordinate to the duly-elected Commander-in-Chief? Fuckin' A!

[Raine1967]

7. I thought *Real Military* men Honor the the Commander in Chief?

Truthfully, isn't that where the chain of command ends, once and for all?

Who the hell does McChrystal think he is?

And as far as puppets, I do believe that once you enter the military, there is a very different version of the first amendment. IOW, you don't really have it, unless the military says you have it.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Barf. Military serves civilians--even the top brass. Not the other way around.

[pangaia]

10. military man

HUH!!!

[LisaM]

14. What about Carter?

Didn't he finish in the Top Ten at Annapolis, serve in the Navy, and know a little bit about nuclear engineering?

I'm not trying to say that one needs military creds to be President, but why isn't Carter worthy to shine the shoes of a military man (or woman)?

[volvoblue]

4. Alter says Obama will probably fire him

he said that Obama dressed down generals last year for boxing him in on the war. He is no push over. He just keeps it behind closed doors

[Robert DAH Bruce]

6. Good point

I personally don't give a fuck whether or not (ooh! ooh!) he gets angry, so long as he gets the shit done!

[onenote]

5. do you think it was wrong for General Shinseki to publicly disagree with civilian authority?

What McCrystal did was wrong not because he criticized the civilian authority, but because of the way he went about it and, in particular, the disrespectful tone of his remarks. But a lot of folks around here, correctly, defended General SHinseki, General Riggs and other military leaders who, during the bush administration, criticized the way the civilian leadership -- bush, cheney, rumsfeld -- were running the war.

[Raine1967]

8. You don't see the difference?

Keep in mind Pace was fired by the Bush Administration for directly speaking out against the CiC.

Rumsfeld was not the CiC.

This is a lot different than speaking out against the war. This is a direct verbal attack against the Commander in Chief. It's about insubordination in the military command. Insubordination in military command can put the entire military in danger. Not only has McChrystal undermined the Commander-In-Chief, he has undermined the mission, thus putting the lives of the men and women in uniform at further risk. Trust is important, McChrystal has put that trust in danger.

Not sure what your point is, to tell the truth.

[provis99]

13. Shinseki and the others were testifying before Congress.

they had no choice but to give their truthful opinion to Congress.

[mzteris]

11. McCrystal is NO McArthur -

shoudn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

[Dr Morbius]

12. That's not necessary.

McCrystal has offered to resign. Obama can and I suspect will accept this resignation. MacArthur was rather abruptly canned.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

15. "McCrystal has offered to resign."

Solid source, please.