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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:45 PM
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On supporting the President
I never understood the position that not supporting the President will produce a desired result.

Results come via support, which includes pushing. You may have voted for the President, but it doesn't end there. He still needs our support.

You can best believe a lot of people who support the President are pushing their ideas and arguments through members of Congress, the institution that will have an impact on the strength of the President's agenda. Does anyone think that Rockefeller would resist supporting climate change if the majority of his constituents were pushing him to support it?

That's the problem with the notion that a vote is all it takes, that this is all about the President, it isn't.

Two views:

Deepak Bhargava

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Yet, in some sense, blaming a politician for being a product of a broken political system which gives too much weight to the powerful interests of the status quo begs the question of how we counter the forces which obstruct the hopes of millions of people. Great changes in our history have always come through mass pressure from the outside combined with receptive leadership in positions of power. Presidents don't create moral urgency; social movements do and Presidents respond.

The central lesson of American history is that it takes social movements to get big things done. Abolition, women's suffrage, and the reforms of the New Deal and the Great Society were not fast or easy wins, nor were they brought about by a single election or by a President handing change down like manna from heaven. The passion and the power for big change came from below in each of these instances.

As we look at the next two years and consider the changes we'd like to see, we need to realize that the important question is not what the Obama Administration does or does not do. The important question is: Are we capable of mounting the kind of mass movement that can create a cycle of transformative, progressive change in the country. Whether President Obama turns into FDR or LBJ, or Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter, is only partly about what he does. I'd argue that it's mostly about what we do.

So far we have not done enough. Since the 2008 election, the only mass progressive movement has been the immigrant rights movement, and this absence is worrisome particularly in light of the biggest economic crisis the country has seen in many years. There have been some very encouraging signs of life over the last few months with protests at Wall Street and here in Washington, but in the populist uprising on economic issues, it has really been the Tea Party movement that's held sway in the debate.

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Katrina vanden Heuvel

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At the same time, progressives have come to a realization. What we see, some 500 days into the Obama administration, is a president obstructed by a partisan Republican opposition, powerful entrenched corporate interests, and a minority of corrupt or conservative Democrats. The thinking is that if progressives organize independently and forge smart coalitions, building a mass movement for reform with a moral compass that can transcend left-right divisions, we may be able to push Obama beyond the limits of his own politics, overcome the timid incrementalism of the establishment Democratic Party and counter the forces of money and power that are true obstacles to change. As Arianna Huffington has said, "Hope is not enough. . . . We need a 'Hope 2.0' that depends not on what President Obama or other politicians say or do but on what we as progressives do."

That's what key progressive groups -- Labor, netroots activists and others -- were trying to do in supporting a primary challenger to Democratic Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln. But the Obama administration, which had endorsed Lincoln, apparently misinterpreted the progressive position as a threat from its base. The White House political operation turned prickly. And after Lincoln prevailed (with massive aid from establishment Democrats), anonymous White House operatives called reporters to trash organized labor for flushing "$10 million of their members' money down the toilet on a pointless exercise."

Actually, the point of the exercise was that those opposing Obama's reform agenda will not get a free pass. And there will be more efforts like it. To name a few: Labor will continue to devote resources to accountability primaries in several states this year, MoveOn will be campaigning to counter corporate influence, and the NAACP, SEIU and the Center for Community Change are organizing a march for jobs in October.

This agitating role isn't a new one for the progressive movement. Progressives organized a remarkable mass movement seeking to stop the Iraq war before it began. They built a counterweight in the blogosphere to challenge the mainstream media and the right. They created the coalition that beat Bush on Social Security. They gave Democrats their voice on Iraq, energy and health care that helped to take back Congress. And they inspired a junior senator from Illinois to think that something was moving with such strength that he might run and win the presidency.

Now, with resistance imperiling the Obama's change agenda, there is an understanding that it is time for progressives to mobilize independently once more. It doesn't matter whether you think Obama has done the best that he can or that he has compromised too easily. What's important is to alter the balance of power. And that means recruiting and mobilizing to unleash new energy into the debate.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:53 PM
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1. Thank you Pro Sense..
Bookmarked for reading when I'm not so bloody tired.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:58 PM
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2. I vehemently oppose the Republican/teabagger agenda.
Picking sides should be a no-brainer in this political environment. I also support nudging President Obama on issues that are important to Democrats. What I don't support is the opposition from the left that mimics the caliber of wingnut/teabagger venom and disrespect. We can press this administration effectively and respectfully; neither should be mutually exclusive.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:11 PM
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3. Looks like your "unrec" crew has arrived.
gawd forbid anything that is positive about this President gets recc'd...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:33 PM
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4. Yeah, it takes a heterosexual to think there has been no
organized activism since 2008. And of course, whenever this activism is seen, people freak out and shout 'support the President'. So Progressives are not doing enough-I agree the straight ones are slackers-but when some Progressives take action, the all the time boosters can not bear the sight of it.
Got to pick one. Either you want to see new energy unleashed or you don't. New energy is not going to be agreeing with old, dated policy. And the fact is, Obama is opposed to equal rights for all Americans, and that is reprehensible, and that is part of what you will be hearing.
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:35 PM
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5. rec...
Most of your post makes a lot of sense. I do, however, have an issue with following statement:

You can best believe a lot of people who support the President are pushing their ideas and arguments through members of Congress, the institution that will have an impact on the strength of the President's agenda.

To me, that statement suggests that those of us who may not agree with many of the actions that we have seen from President Obama and the current administration are simply ineffective and inactive whiners.
As a member of the LGBT community, I have learned (the hard way) not to trust anyone's agenda. I have been vocal about my opposition to the President's handling of the issues that affect my life on a daily basis and I will continue to be vocal about those issues and others on this board. But, you can best believe that I, and others like me, are also pushing our ideas and arguments through members of Congress and I don't see how that could be an affront to President Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:56 PM
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6. Not at all
The comment: You can best believe a lot of people who support the President are pushing their ideas and arguments through members of Congress, the institution that will have an impact on the strength of the President's agenda.

It means just that, and not everyone of those people are likely pushing the same issues or demanding the same results. It just means that pushing is required.





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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:41 PM
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7. What an odd quote:
"I never understood the position that not supporting the President will produce a desired result."

I don't remember anyone on DU during the last 8 years pushing the notion that the way to produce a desired result was to support Bush. The logic just isn't there - giving more support to someone when they are doing the things you don't want them to do reinforces bad behavior.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:48 PM
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8. What?
"I don't remember anyone on DU during the last 8 years pushing the notion that the way to produce a desired result was to support Bush."

The desired result was to stop Bush's agenda so why would it be odd to withhold support?







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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:08 PM
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9. Yes, we're in agreement on that.
When we don't like someone's agenda, withholding support for it makes sense.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:19 PM
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10. Excellent
So there would be no need to complain that the desired result isn't being achieve, right?

At least people complaining about Bush realized they were just complaining, not expecting those complaints to actually change his actions.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:27 PM
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11. I've moved past the delusion
that my posting support - or nonsupport - on an internet forum will make any president more or less likely to take an action that I approve of. I get the power dynamics in our system. I would need some serious lobbying money to influence any president.

As far as posting online goes, the people who I think have the most influence aren't those offering blanket support to politicians (in a single post or consistently), but rather those who illuminate things that politicians would rather we didn't notice.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:30 PM
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12. The point wasn't really about posting
It definitely wasn't the point of Bhargava and vanden Heuvel.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:52 PM
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14. You are right - the point of both articles wasn't about posting support for the president..
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 09:59 PM by noamnety
In both articles they were saying there is a strong need for people left of Obama to get more vocal, more in people's faces, and DEMAND change, not quietly go along with what our politicians are doing or trusting them to do the right thing. Historically, it's been people left of the presidents who have forced progressive change. Without the angry mob on the left, presidents would have been more free to go along with The Establishment, which always favors big business.

And that makes sense to me. If Obama is making a point of compromising with Republicans and the people on the left are saying "that's cool, you do what you need to do, we got your back while you move your position further to the right in the spirit of bipartisanship" - the inevitable result will be a further shift to the right.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:44 PM
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13. K&R
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 10:51 PM
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15. kick
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:50 AM
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16. Kick
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