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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:34 AM
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Why Obamas Words Are Empty
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 08:37 AM by rsmith6621

During the 2008 campaign we heard Obama countless times speak of the PUBLIC OPTION on healthcare and how he would not settle for a bill that did not have it in it......WELL..... NO PUBLIC OPTION..


During the 2008 campaign we heard Obama discuss elements for the EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE act and we would have that soon after he was elected as policy......WELL.....NO EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE.

During the 2008 campaign we heard Obama speak of holding up the constitution and YET....Cheney/Bush and Rumsfeld have yet to make a single statement under oath about IRAQ and 9/11......

This past year SOU speech Obama said he would seek higher taxes on CORPORATIONS that ship jobs overseas....WHEN???


Last night he said he would make BP PAY for the damages and cost to clean up the Gulf.... I don't have much faith...Obama will likely let them squeak by and file bankruptcy papers to avoid this...Will Obama get a barrel a day figure out of them today....or will this be another BEER FEST in the Rose Garden....

Right now OBAMAS WORDS ARE EMPTY......This is not the same person I knocked on doors for and casted my ballot for..

AND IF YOUR GOING TO UNREC THIS STATE WHY



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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:40 AM
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2. Good luck getting honest explanations.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:41 PM
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108. Hey, we are honest, some of us unrec him! And even gave an
explanation!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:41 AM
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3. got my REC
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:41 AM
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4. zOMG, you must want Sarah Palin to be President!!!11! nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:41 AM
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Links to promises for a public option from Obama - more than one
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 08:41 AM by stray cat
you seem to have voted for someone other than the one I saw running for office
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:41 AM
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5. Perhaps you aren't giving him enough time.
These things don't happen overnight. I thought there was going to have a Public Option inserted into the bill as an amendment after it passed.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:42 AM
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7. When Will That Happen....He only has one term to do this


...He will not be re-elected....and he knows it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:48 AM
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13. People like you will see to that and reap the whirl-wind, but then, maybe, that's what you want.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:50 AM
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18. I think we're already reaping the whirl-wind...
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:57 AM
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24. Precisely. The truth is, by definition, inevitable. There is no America. nt
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:12 AM
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31. He himself said that he would rather be a great one-term president
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:31 AM
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52. you wishing this, does not make it true.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:43 AM
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55. He may be re-elected...
He may be re-elected. Republicans can't seem to find a warm body to run that people would actually vote for en masse. I think he'll get a second term. Now, I'm not willing to put any money on it.

:)
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:02 PM
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77. Wow...you are nuts!!!
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:19 PM
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83. Oh, horseshit. I'm sick to bloody death of the "things take time" nonsense. It's not
the speed he's moving, and it never was. IT'S THE FUCKING DIRECTION.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:26 PM
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87. Why would the health insurers permit a public option?
That will be the beginning of end for them. And they contribute heavily to ALL politicians
including Obama. So do not hold your breath.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:42 AM
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6. the question is what are you going to do to make the world a better place
And why did you ever put all of that onto another person?

It's scary when you think of it. You'd follow blindly anyone who you thought did live out your vision.

It's a good thing for us that Obama did not get your blind obedience, but what of whoever does? they will be dangerous whether they are right wing or left wing.

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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:44 AM
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8. Don't think the OP was "blindly" following Obama...nor was I

We just believed what he said. He lied.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:54 AM
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23. That's really oversimplifying and there is no President on earth
who would satisfy you, because what you expect of that person is unrealistic. Kucinich would have the same problems. Or Hillary. They can only promise to try. that's all they can promise, because they don't have unlimited power.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:05 AM
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63. DK would have sprung out of the magic shoe he lives in (w\aquaman suit),
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:07 AM by dionysus
dove into the sea, and plugged the gusher with magic unicorn dust. it would have been over weeks ago. get with the program.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:47 AM
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12. Why do you always turn it on someone personally?
None of us spent two years trying to get the job.

It is a cop out deflection argument.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:53 AM
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21. What is the job exactly?
I'm getting concerned here - people do seem to think they can put all their dreams onto the Presidency - the only problem with Bush being the Decider was what he said.

People are reacting as if Obama owes them personally, so why should they not answer to the fact that they expect a POTUS to do their bidding as long as they voted him in?

Have you read the Constitution? It doesn't say you will get everything you want from the POTUS or any Congressperson all the time.

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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:44 AM
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9. He has lost much of his credibility and time is...
running out to get it back.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:01 PM
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104. I see you're one of the ones that did not even bother to pay
attention during the campaign.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:45 AM
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10. and multiple wars dragging on and on... till when? 6 more years at least
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:46 AM
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11. "countless . . . soon . . . likely . . ." I'm sorry you have been living in a fantasy world, is
that the President's fault?

I un-rec'd you, because your statements presume a nearly total knowledge of ALL that is going on - in absolute stasis - hence your judgment, or are we just supposed to bow to your superior perception of the future?

His words are as empty as Y - O - U make them.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:48 AM
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14. I gave it a rec, I think it's a pretty
good post.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:48 AM
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15. boring
.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:49 AM
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16. Not to pile on, but Gitmo is still open and DADT is still on the books.
The State Department is making a private, smaller army to stay in Iraq. We are seeing record US deaths in Afghanistan, and we are in a one-sided drone war in Pakistan.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:52 AM
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20. Be realistic...You act like you don't know what was going on with Gitmo.
He can't find people to take in those prisoners. what is he supposed to do?! AS I said in another post...build a prison in the base of the white house and put them there?! WE have congress blocking him on that and you know that very well or you would if you kept up to date on it. Secondly this thing about DADT----again it's up to congress. Congress finally got around to passing a compromise but it says directly that it's dependent on the Pentagon review. When that's done----Obama signs and Gates signs and we're finished with DADT. These are things that are stalled not because of lack on Obama's efforts---you make it seem as though he was doing nothing on the matter which is utterly disingenuous.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:53 AM
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22. He was aware of the political realities when he made those campaign
speeches.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:02 AM
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26. I doubt he was aware of all aspects of corruption in the government.
Further more, what you know on the outside is never what you know as an insider. He signed off on closing Gitmo. That was the first thing he did. You saw the press coverage of it...or maybe not. I did. it's probably some where on youtube. There's nothing he can do when he's BLOCKED. You must be aware of obstructionism. So if he's blocked through no fault of his own how are you selling this as though he should have been able to close it. He failed on that...he didn't failed he's pushed into a corner on it and still looking for ways to get out of it. He even brokered deals with other countries....I'm sure you remember the Ugyhur deal to send them to an island---so he can close it. HE unfortunately still has prisoners there and some are facing trial, awaiting trial or just can't be moved because of blocks from other politicians.

As for DADT---you do realize he was blocked there as well and luckily there has been some momentum and he took advantage of this. A good number of the people who signed off on DADT are still there right about now. Again what I realize with your posts is that in order to push your ire or anger or hatred of the President you disingenuous with the information you give and sell it/imply it one way as though it was Obama's fault that he's been dealt a shitty group of Congressmen and women who have their own agendas they're worrying about.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:05 AM
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27. We can go down the list,I am sure there are excuses lined up
for everything. Unfortunate for the Dems and Obama, the electorate doesn't do excuses. They look for results.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:54 AM
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37. Not to pile on!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OMG! I didn't know you did comedy too!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:53 AM
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60. don't forget to try the veal!
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:01 AM
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39. and those are the two most important issues on the planet, dagnabbit!!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:38 PM
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73. To those being held without charge
and those being institutionally discriminated against, maybe.

It doesn't have to be the most import issue to be dealt with. Of course you so such deference to everything Obama does, you opinion is meaningless.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:49 AM
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17. i unrec'd because it's stupid
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:05 AM
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109. Damn, Nat. Couldn't have said it any better.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:52 AM
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19. I agree. Words do matter. Promises and statements made during a campaign should be fulfilled.
That is why people voted for him, donated money to him, and worked hard, giving up their own time to get him elected.

I'm still waiting for many of the things he promised me would happen to happen.

Where's that transparency we were promised?

Where are the investigations into war crimes, including torture, of the Bush Administration?

Obama said during the campaign that he felt Bush had abused his authority. Isn't Obama doing the same thing? If he knows of possible laws broken by a previous administration, isn't Obama also abusing his authority by not investigating?

A lot of Obama's criticism has been brought on by Obama's very actions since he took office. No public option, Employee Free Choice Act, and fixing corporate tax loopholes are just a few.

He will be a one term President if he doesn't get it together, because he's pushing away his supporters one by one with these actions. He cannot expect another four years without them.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:57 AM
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25. And sometimes promises can't be fulfilled when see the reality.
Obama now has an in on the magnitude of the shit he's facing. I think he had a relative understanding but now he sees he has a mess. The entire department of the Interior is a MESS and corrupt! Did anyone EVER really talk about that during the time of Bush?! I doubt it. We had a financial collapse and when you go through the red tape it's a mess.

You act like he should be able to do everything he expected to do. I think he thought he could do it too. But then he also saw that his own people---ie fellow Democrats are in on this too added to the complete obstruction of the Republicans for bills he supports they write. They dumped him and you act like this is possible for him to fulfill it all. Out of his 400+ promises he's only broken 19 of them. 19 do you hear that. He's fulfilled over 150 of them and compromised on a few so there can be some type of win here. And yet you summarize everything he's done as a failure.

Luckily a good number of his supporters, outside of DU seem to still be supportive of him.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:10 AM
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64. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Obama knew what a bunch of corporate whores the Democrats were. He'd been in the Senate long enough to be familiar with all of the Conservadems, Blue Dogs, etc.

He's wasted how long trying to reach across the aisle and be bipartisan? He should have known going into the deal that the GOP would not work with him. That was certainly clear after the first month or so. And he is a smart man, he had to realize some would have a problem with him being black.

Those 19 broken promises are of varying importance, I suppose. If it's an issue of importance to you, those broken promises have greater value. He's also made some awful compromises, that are not to the benefit of the American people.

Nowhere did I say everything Obama's done is a failure. However, I did point out a few VERY SERIOUS INFRACTIONS that there is no excuse for. Failure to investigate Bushco is a BIG ONE with international implications. You cannot tell me that Bush did not break U.S. law as well as international law and treaties. Obama's failure to address this makes him COMPLICIT in those crimes, he's helping to cover them up. And it's the cover up that's the worst. (Remember Watergate.)

This all or nothing attitude some around DU have regarding Obama is idiotic. Yes, he's done some very good things. Yes, he's failed horribly at others. He promised change, and in many cases what we're getting is more of the same.

People need to keep the pressure on him to keep his promises, because if he fails, we're going to wind up with a bunch of crazy ass Republicans and Tea Baggers in office, and then the fun will really begin. I don't want that. I want something better. But in order to get that, Obama is going to have to do a better job than he has so far. Period.
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TankerKC Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:55 PM
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92. I'll throw a bit of blame...
...on those that believed the unrealistic promises.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:06 AM
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28. Unrecced.
You should damn well know why.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:10 AM
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29. Unrec
Because you complained about rec/unrec.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:11 AM
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30. Unrec ... and here's why ...
Any dope can go through campaign speeches and find examples of goals not reached once the candidate is elected.

And it is particularly easy to find those examples after only 1.5 years of what is a 4 year Presidency.

The fact that you don't get everything you want immediately is upsetting ... if you are a child.

You could be complaining that we are still losing 600,000 jobs a month ... oh wait ... not happening.

Or you could be complaining that we're never going to leave Iraq ... oh wait ... we're on track to be out later this summer.

Or you could be complaining that the GDP is still negative ... oh wait ... its been positive for the last 3 quarters.

Or you could be complaining about pre-existing conditions ... oh wait ... no.

Finally ... you end your post with a meaningless cheap shot.

Overall .... a weak post.

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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:26 AM
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49. +1
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:32 AM
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53. +1000
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:24 PM
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86. BP just added $20 Billion to the pot ... another reason to UNREC.
The poster claimed Obama would let BP walk and pay nothing .... OOOPS.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:14 AM
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32. Obama never said he wouldn't accept HCR without a public option.
He said it was a good idea, but never said it was the end all and be all.

Congress is responsible for taxation and EFCA. Your beef is with them.

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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:14 AM
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33. This post is empty, thoughtless and blatantly ignorant.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:31 AM
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34. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator.
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:48 AM
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56. The Secret Service "protects" President Obama.. he does
have more than a few supporters on DU though.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:52 AM
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35. Here's why I unrecommended this thread.
Because you reminded me to.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:30 AM
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51. !
:spray:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:17 AM
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65. (spits coffee)
:rofl:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:52 PM
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74. Captain,


:applause:
:applause:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:09 AM
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110. +100 Here's how you know that you have created a spectacular fail on DU
Skinner comes out of lurk mode just to tell you that he unrecc'd your thread. I do believe that this is unprecedented...
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:08 PM
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78. ROFL
Oh, shit. :spray:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:55 PM
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103. Oh, snap!
:spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:53 AM
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36. I can find several things I hate about every person I know
Fortunately, I look at the whole person and don't let my anger at those few issues consume me.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:00 AM
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38. All a President can do is try to push his agenda. It is up to Congress to enact it.
You are either ignorant of how our government works or pretending to be.

Perhaps you should have 'casted' your vote for McCain/Palin.
I'm sure you would be so much happier.

oh, and I unrecc'd this lackluster OP, by the way
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:02 AM
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40. Dictatorship Cheney style for liberals and Dems.
It is what they want.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:07 AM
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41. sure, they also wanted someone else to the Democratic Nominee
and it's amazing how deep their bitterness is.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:09 AM
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43. That isn't the way LBJ or even Bush 43 handled things.
Obama has a lot to learn. Naw...he probably doesn't want to.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:16 AM
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46. If he had learned anything from you, he never would have been elected
please, let us all in on how LBJ and W did things.
You were there, right?
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:16 AM
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47. More grand false myths regarding LBJ.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:51 AM
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58. ah, pushing the "lazy" meme. your bitterness is nectar to my soul.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:27 AM
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68. 3 entirely different styles...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:27 AM by rasputin1952
Johnson had his style, and he knew everyone in both Houses of Congress...he could hard tackle them because he knew their weaknesses and how to avoid they're strengths. He was the quintessential manipulator.

bush had a compliant congress and USSC...he also was coached well on the fear aspect, especially after 9-11. He took advantage of the situation of scared people and helped ram through items before they were looked at properly. Did anyone really believe we would be invaded by Saudi's, Afghans or Iraqis?

PO is conciliator, he works from knowledge, not gut instinct...I for one, am thankful for that.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:08 AM
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42. unrec because you're full of crap
...and distorting things as bad as any teabagger. I listen to this crap all day sometimes, only its from the fuming repugs who dominate my community.
"Countless" is one big exaggeration, there for dramatic effect I'm sure, and not checked by you but perhaps repeated from something heard on the radio. The facts are otherwise.
BP has and will pay for damages, whether or not they go into bankruptcy. They're in it over 1.6 billion now, and will doubtless go far deeper. I think the president has done a very good job holding their feet to the fire.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:09 AM
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44. Ohhh, this should be interesting.
Let the games begin......

:popcorn:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:52 AM
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59. here. take one of these;
:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:18 AM
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66. My favorite banky!!!
All nice and fluffy.

Time for a nap......

:boring:



:hug:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:10 PM
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79. You and your bankys crack me up
:D
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:14 AM
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45. Unrecced because YOUR words are empty
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:19 AM
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48. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator.
 
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:30 AM
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50. unrec because bitter tantrums are played out.
:hi:
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:35 AM
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54. Unrec because...
Just because
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:49 AM
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57. YOU WHINE WELL BUT KNOW LITTLE (unrec)
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 10:49 AM by tranche
Why the sniveling about his work on taxing corporations?

Obama Plan on Tax Havens Faces Hurdle in Congress
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aaX...


May 5 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obamas plan to end tax breaks for U.S.-based multinational companies drew a skeptical response from fellow Democrats on Capitol Hill, indicating that his proposal may face obstacles in Congress.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, called for further study of Obamas proposals within minutes of the presidents announcement yesterday. Joseph Crowley, a Democrat on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said he doesnt want any tax changes to harm Citigroup Inc., his New York districts largest private-sector employer.


I just can't take you seriously anymore. If you're going to pull lists from Hamsheresque websites, then at least do us all a favor and quality control them.

But the thing is, I don't think you care. You just want to sit in the middle of the room and pout.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:53 AM
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61. Most of what you say is not really accurate
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 10:54 AM by karynnj
The fact is that for none of the three candidates was the public option a major component of what they spoke of in 2008. Having universal access to affordable healthcare was. There was far more time spent speaking of whether there should be mandates. A public option was mentioned - and there are speeches mentioning it. The fact though is that no matter which of the three won, it would have been the Congress that ultimately wrote the bill. Whether we like it or not, there were not the votes to pass the public option - even in a very weak form.

Employee First Choice is also something that must pass Congress. It is not even supported by all Democrats. Not even all liberals - George McGovern was featured in ads against it.

The tax changes to not favor companies that send jobs overseas is in the legislation that the House and Senate are now working on. http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/legislation?id=0374 This is a bill that is being done by "ping ponging" between the House and Senate. The provisions listed in Pelosi's link were the House amendment to the Senate amendment to HR 4213. From this link - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR4213 :/ you can follow all the House and Senate actions (click on anything on the far right.) This is being done instead of using a conference because the Republicans are obstructing. This is being done - and if you watch what they are doing in the Congress, you can see it is not easy - and it is not something the President can do unilaterally.

Obama NEVER promised to get Cheney and Bush under oath on 9/11 or Iraq. In addition, the Justice Department should be independent of the President on any decision like that. (or do you think Nixon should have been able to control Elliot Richardson?)

This along with your other thread on 2012 sound like someone is not over 2008.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:01 AM
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62. Shitting on this President day in, day out,
and then expecting him to get done what one wants done,
is a dumb idea......and I don't think will ever work.

This post is just more of that.

His words are fine, but folks just can't seem to ever get off their ass since November.
Instead all they have are orders and commands on what should be done, as though none of
it has much to do with them. Hell! Obama passed health care reform in spite of some
folks here, not due to them; not even close.

His words during the campaign consistently stated that he would need our help...
instead we offered him a pile-on day after day on every single issue.

Too bad so many only knocked on doors during the election,
with their wet dream of what electing a Black President would mean,
and have done jack shit but complained ever since.
We hardly knew you!

reaping what one sows (hardly nothign) is a MF, I know!

"This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were.

It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other."
- President-Elect Barack Obama

When President Obama accepted victory in Grant Park, he called on all of us to join him in ushering in the change we all were seeking. Did we answer the call? Have we rolled up our sleeves and fought for real change?

I would argue that very few did. Most of us celebrated and waited for Obama to do the heavy lifting. The country was facing a devastating financial crisis while conducting two wars. We were celebrating the victory, but not looking at the overwhelming challenges our new leader was facing. We expected sweeping change, but for the most part we left the battlefield and expected Obama to bring us that change.
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion/75-75/2201-b...



Remember when we had Obama's back?(me neither)
by citizen k

Wed Jun 16, 2010 at 07:52:40 AM PDT

Remember when Holder insisted on public trials for "terror" suspects and the storm of demagougery and douchebaggery was drowned out by the unified and active "progressive" left? How we organized protests? Sent flowers to Holder for backing the rule of law? Stormed the media? You don't?

What about when Van Jones was attacked? Do you remember how we mounted a counter attack - explaining to the public why green jobs were so essential and how Glenn Beck wanted to make them poor? I mean, we are the base: when the President does wrong, we are there with constructive criticism like "corporate whore", "idiot", and "naive clown", but when he does right, we are at the damn barricades, standing by him. Right? Aren't we?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/16/876438/-Rem...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:25 PM
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71. Great pitch except you forgot the parts where OFA was rudderless

though capable of asking for support for by that time bills nobody really supported along with the daily request for at least $25 or whatever you can afford".

Also, the part where motherfuckers were calling and writing Congress 24/7 trying to help push the marks through committee and through each house.

Or the hundreds and thousands of one on one conversations trying to get folks to understand the great need for health care reform, a new way forward on energy, conservation, and the environment, and the deep structural problems in our economy. Which was the only thing that could be done because there were never actual plans to sell.

How about the money to the interest groups to help promote good policy?

Can't forget the only thing the President fought for in health care was a tax on benefits(WTF?!?)?

Hard to ignore the micky mouse wag of the finger on executive bonuses and the lazy river/lemonade on the porch approach to Finance reform with lots of behind the scenes watering down.

How about scuttling that drug reimportation bill to maintain the bullshit pharma deal?

It's probably fair to say that accounting for ability to directly affect legislation, a lot of the folks you rail at for inactivity did more to pass some of these bills than our leadership and the President, according to stature.

Then there is the point when you don't or can no longer support a crappy bill, at which obviously people aren't going to grind it out. What do you expect there? Why put an effort in for something you can't approve of? To be a team player? Shits n giggles?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:21 AM
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67. Politics ain't beanbag...
For one thing, congress is to blame for what you have mentioned...and don't forget, priorities can change, as the Gulf blowout has shown us.

As far as taxes go, that must be initiated in the House of Representatives, that's the Constitution.

Public option, I'm in favor of it, but it was compromised out, not by PO, but D's making unnecessary compromises to R's, and a few D renegades...my own Senator, Ben Nelson being one of them.

I'd like to see bush/cheney held to account, but other fights have left that in the dust...it's up to the DOJ to bring charges, while PO can order an investigation, it is still up to the DOJ to bring charges if warranted.

Employee Free Choice is still on the table AFAIK.

Being president does not make one a king or an emperor...congress is to blame for most of what you've mentioned.

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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:47 PM
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91. President is not exactly powerless
LBJ knew how to push his agenda through congress and did. Especially civil rights.
Reagan had to deal with democratic majority in congress and yet he was able to push through
massive tax cuts.
Clinton had to deal with republican congress and yet was able to get many bills passed including
NAFTA & welfare reform.

Obama has all democratic congress majority. So your blaming the congress does not absolve
him.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:31 PM
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96. I never said it absolved him, however...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:33 PM by rasputin1952
when many things come down the pike, and the D's fall over themselves making concessions, they are to blame.

I'd tell the GOP to F*** off, and pass the stuff if it were in my power and had a majority that the D have; but that's me, and I'm not in Congress... :(

Reagan did not get tax cuts passed, he pushed for it, and a somewhat compliant House put it on the table; all tax bills must originate in the House. FWIW, taxes were raised not long after that and SS/Medicare were raided to cover the huge hole that developed, (these were in different venues so that the "Average Joe" would not feel it come April 15th). One of the reasons we are having problems manifesting themselves these days is because they are still stealing SS/Medicare funds and spending it as they cover taxes that were cut and 97% of of the population would not pay anyway.

ETA: Reagan didn't "win" the Cold War either...he happened to be on the seat when the former Soviet Union crashed under it's own weight, (just tossed that in to show how things can often get distorted).
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:16 PM
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99. ^ "congress is to blame " ^
Truer words than those are seldom spoken. I hate vulgar language but most of congress and the the Senate are whores. And they're always selling out to the highest bidders.

Frenchiecat and Rasputin have tussled with me at times. I've been disappointed with the president on a few things. But on this I sense we all perceive there is some Obama opposition from on high, which filters down through Fox news, Limbaugh and the usual suspects, which seems to get twisted and winds up in a different form here.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:27 PM
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100. One of the more astonishing things is not only are they
whores...they are stupid whores; they sell out for peanuts, perhaps $10,000 or less, and the buyers get millions, (occasionally billions) in return for a pittance.

:hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 12:07 PM
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69. I unrec'd it because it's histrionic crap.
Don't vote for the man if you don't want to but you'll be in the minority camp, I predict.

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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 12:32 PM
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70. unrec because
it's an empty post. and there weren't countless speeches about public option or else. in fact i think it only got but a few "the public option is a good idea" mentions.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:29 PM
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72. Unrec because...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 02:00 PM by jefferson_dem
It's your words that are empty. I don't believe a single one of them.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:55 PM
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75. Talk about empty. n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:00 PM
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76. Unrec
By the way, the past tense of "cast" is still "cast", not "casted".

Why did I unrec? I don't quite share your lack of faith and I think I have a better view of the bigger picture, enough to understand that the President doesn't have a magic wand and doesn't work in a vacuum where he can just make things happen. Having a big chunk of Congress committed to opposing him and wanting to see him fail is going to put a hitch in some of those plans.

You have a candidate who you think can negotiate their way through Washington better? Go support them.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:11 PM
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80. I recommended your thread.
Don't get me wrong, I think you're ideas are complete shit.

But because you're being humiliated on such a large scale, other people deserve a chance to see the pwnage.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:17 PM
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82. ...
:yoiks: :rofl: :applause:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:26 PM
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95. From that perspective, here's another big KICK.
:evilgrin:
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:44 PM
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98. +1
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:40 PM
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107. You not serious!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:14 PM
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81. LOL! This OP is the epitome of empty!
Oh, and thanks for the reminder.....

Unrec'd. Happy now?

:rofl:
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:21 PM
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84. All honest questions....
I doubt you will get any honest answers.
I am giving you a + rec for factual but hard questions for this board.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:26 PM
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88. Actually I find posts 30, 35, and 67 are on point. n/t
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:40 PM
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90. Post #30 also has facts but does not answer OP's points
You can't prove a positive with two negatives.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:24 PM
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85. unrecced- here's why- the Obameter at politifact
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:29 PM
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89. Unrec because...
I feel left out.

Oh, and because of myriad of reasons previously stated, but this statement was the clincher:

"Will Obama get a barrel a day figure out of them today....or will this be another BEER FEST in the Rose Garden...."

These are not the words of someone seeking an honest discussion.

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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:12 PM
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93. unrec for 20 billion reasons
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:18 PM
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94. Nuhuh! He filled those words with 20 billion dollars.
:P
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:33 PM
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97. Unrecommended because.....
.....your post assumes that Obama, and Obama alone, can get anything done that he wants just by saying so.

.....you conveniently leave out the fact that CONGRESS has to go along with a lot of what Obama wants, and unless you've been living under a rock since January 20, 2009, they haven't been very good about doing that.

.....YOUR words are empty, and not designed for anything but to stir the pot.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:27 PM
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101. Unrec ... due to stupidity of your OP. So there!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:48 PM
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102. LOL!
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volvoblue Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:05 PM
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105. rsmith, you have no idea about real life do you?
You see, when you try to do things but, find your side is fighting you as hard as the other side, you cannot do magical things.
And speaking of magical, how's that kind of thinking working for you? So many of these fair weather supporters live in a fantasy world where everything is be done magically and perfectly and accomplished in 6 months.

speaking of empty - how about empty 'suppporter' how about empty belief system unless it is about self.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:36 PM
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106. According to rsmith, President Obama should a be a superman and
too bad life is not like that. This President inherited a boatload of crap and am sure if he had any idea but was not sure how huge the crap was, he would not have run but he got elected and he is trying his best and as far as I can see, he is winning.
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