Its not Obama's Fault...

[butterfly77]

I am so angry I can hardly put the words together but WTF here is my two cents I am tired of this ----!

I am watching all of these ------------ trying to blame obama the Liberals and Dems have been talking about clean energy and the environment for years.

Like usual the Dems sit there and let them get away with it and everything explodes in their faces once they retain power again then we watch a ----- and the rest of the insane asshole still talking about..DRILL BABY DRILL as they blame the Pres for their ----. A lot of these people who are talking on television about the oil spill don;t give a damn about Louisana or the people. They are worried about their investments and if they can continue pumping out oil.


In the beginning of this spill, don't forget Cheney,Bush and the rest of the OIL boys were/are working with BP to see how much more they can get and they have been planning all of this time how they could blame Obama.A lot of the people who have been screaming for every since Obama took office now want every hing fixed right away. Do you get it ? iTS FUCKED UP! Did a lot of you listen? Hell NO! You listened to your fucked up Media who are somehow on the payroll.

Don't try to blame this President when you see what these people are about. A lot of the people like limburger,Slannity, and the blond bimbos like Monica Crowley,Laura Ingraham. post all over the net and here too and you can't see through the bull yet! What in the hell does it take. They never get enough money and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nAvTVeR6o

They have all of their people all over tv pouncing about Terrorism and other bullshit. EVERYBODY! SPREAD THE NEWS ALL OVER abOut WHAT THESE CONmen/women have been doing for years and why we are so ----up as a country and a world. For you who hated Michael he was telling the truth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYHguBEXkac

[livetohike]

1. Notice how the Cheney family is laying low these days

Before you couldn't shut them up, now they are afraid they will be spotlighted for their oil company buddy ties and all the deregulation they allowed to happen. Where's the chief airhead Palin and her sidekick Gulliani? With their smirky, smart ass attitudes? Drill Baby Drill.

[Peacetrain]

2. I have been wondering where DarthCheney and his offspring were?

[felinetta]

32. Liz has been on Faux two times but she talks about NYC terror plot and

Sestak.  There is the 500 pound gorilla in the room that no
one will ask (or more likely told) not to ask Liz about the
BP/CHENEY oil gusher. I only hear crickets from Dick. But I do
wonder
what Dick "crickets" is doing in the background. I'm
sure he's up to his stealth tactics in some capacity.

[butterfly77]

33. They can't hide it anymore..

all of the lies. Sometimes,I think they plan some of these CRISES but, they don't work out the way they plan them. I don't put anything against these evil bastards...

[GoCubsGo]

3. Now that you mentioned it...

Yeah, haven't heard a peep from them. Hell, even Nitwit Newt has disappeared. I guess they've all crawled back under their rocks for the time being.

[butterfly77]

4. They are in background ..

plotting and have been doing so since the beginning. All of their old assholes who won't even be here in the future, from the Reagan,bush,bush, admin will show up this week on tv spreading their shit we have to KNOCK THEIR SHIT OUT this Sestak garbage is Nonsense too. Look at the media pushing this non news..

[livetohike]

5. Ever since President Obama became President the media has

been relentless. They are using up all that stifling of "not criticizing a President in the time of war" from the Bush years to go after President Obama for everything including the fact that he breathes the same air as we do :sarcasm:. I am getting physically sick over it day in and day out....

[butterfly77]

8. Over and , Over and Over ,Over agaIn..

They seem to forget we have been watching their bullshit for years..at least some of us have. I heard candy crowely and others this morning speculating on if Obama would win the next Presidency. Can they just let him do the damn job now!

Everyday some talking head,opinion head,bullshit talking head shows up to tell him how to do his job but, when the dumbest president in history was in office they didn't question a thing. They were AFRAID to question this stupid mtfker.. YES, I hate him..and the rest of his crew..

[Oceansaway]

6. K&R...n/t

[noamnety]

7. Would you say that Obama's policies were a contributing factor in any way? (nt)

[butterfly77]

9. NO..

[noamnety]

11. Do you think this was a contributing factor in any way?

"Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico."

[butterfly77]

12. No.

I think that I wasn't in on the discussion at the time so, I couldn't tell you why they received this exemption. Were you there?

[noamnety]

15. I wasn't in the room with Bush/Cheney, nor with Obama.

So I guess neither of us should be passing judgment on the decisions either administration made then ... was that your point?

[Cha]

16. What is your point?

[noamnety]

17. double standards

If Bush had been the one to grant an exemption for BP specifically for environmental regulation, we'd have been all over that. I know it, you know it. The OP knows it.

But when Obama does it, it's declared not-a-contributing-factor, even though it obviously was a contributing factor, and furthermore Obama is now exempt from any critiques unless we were in the room when he made policy. Can you point me to any time ever when a DUer suggested we shouldn't criticize a Bush policy unless we were in the room when he made it?

[Cha]

19. Yeah, you want to blame everything on the President so

your accusations are rendered impotent.

[noamnety]

20. non sequitor / logical fallacy. (attacking the messenger)

Are we allowed to critique administrations' decisions if we weren't in the room when they were made, or not?

The OP says if we weren't there, we can't critique it. Is there one rule about that for Obama, and another for all other presidents?

[Cha]

21. Keep digging.

[dionysus]

40. no, cha has you pegged perfectly.

:rofl:

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[MadMaddie]

26. That's the point Cheney had closed door meetings with BP

and other energy corporations and we are seeing the results. No regulations at all.

Is this something that can be fixed yes, President Obama had started it by breaking up the Minerals organization it no longer exists. It has been broken into 3 different organizations with new leadership.

[CakeGrrl]

14. The point I'm guessing the OP is making is that

The Bush administration laid the groundwork for the shit that's come down. The MSM sat idly by while that happened. But of course NOW they've conveniently rediscovered their aggressive attitude toward what's being done at the Executive level. I seriously doubt that you'd see any of this dogged pursuit of the President's actions occur had McCain been elected and this occurred during his term.

[MadMaddie]

39. That rig has been there 10 years

even if the administratiion did something last year it does not negate the previous 9 years.

[ShortnFiery]

10. He's not guilty of any lapses of judgment to some here. He's elevated so high, almost nothing

he does is open for discussion other than praise, praise and more praise.

[butterfly77]

13. No. I think that..

we as people are human and we don't know everything and we can't be right on everything. we as humans can't get everything when we want everything and we can't get everything that we want unless,you are an alien...

[lunatica]

25. You should know that you've been tombstoned

It feels strange to talk to dead people.

[butterfly77]

34. I was just ..

thinking about that as I was going to reply. Well,another one bites the dust because "THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH'..

[Raine1967]

37. No I would not. I am SICK of this false framing.

I really am.

I would say posts like this are intellectually dishonest. I would also say that posts like this are a Red herring.

[Cha]

18. Yes, and it's not just the corporatemediawhores who

are trying to blame President Obama. The anonymous internet posters who are all over trying to blame the President for everything are busy dragging the President into this.


Anyway the President is taking responsibility so the vultures can fuck off.

[Dont TS Me Brah]

22. +1000 and he's doing great! Blame the capitalist scum and their Repug minions. nt

[FrenchieCat]

24. I agree! Pointing our fingers at this President, no matter how elegantly,

ain't gonna solve shit, but take us out of power once again.

We need to concentrate on having a conversation with the folks
who want to blame a singular person, and let them know that they
are part of a much bigger problem; they cannot want everything
and yet be unwilling to make any personal sacrifice to get us to
a workable solution.

Obama has been trying to pass an energy bill for a reason,
and that reason is alternative energy that he knows we need
to start dealing with, and start dealing with now.

He stated...

"we can't drill our way out of the problem. It may be part of the mix as a bridge to a transition to new technologies and new energy sources, but we should be pretty modest in understanding that the easily accessible oil has already been sucked up out of the ground.

And as we are moving forward, the technology gets more complicated, the oil sources are more remote, and that means that there's probably going to end up being more risk. And we as a society are going to have to make some very serious determinations in terms of what risks are we willing to accept."



We need to do something about those who can on the one hand blame others, aren't willing to take any blame for the risk and on the other hand believe the conservative ideals about our energy.

[depakid]

27. Obama can't escape the fact that he ratified Republican drilling policies

and vouched for their safety, despite a major disaster in 2009, without first putting his own regulatory house in order.

That'll go down as one of the most ill fated political pronouncements in US history.

[butterfly77]

28. Why because you deem it to be...

Keep it up we will hate him soon:sarcasm: I don't think so.

[depakid]

29. No, because it's plain old objective fact that anyone can see

and all of this and more is going to come out in the subsequent investigations.

That's why I've said, in terms of both damage control and moving forward to improve how government regulatory agencies perform that it's far better to own up to it (pull the teeth of the tiger) and take concrete actions to make certain that there's visible reform, both in management, in procedures and with line employees.

The problems aren't simply at Interior and the MMS... and there comes a time when Bush & Cheney aren't responsible for them anymore.

More than that though- in the end, people are less concerned with blame than they are with making sure "shit gets fixed."

[butterfly77]

35. BULLSHIT!

Bush and Cheney will always be responsible,for this and more shit that has YET to be revealed..

[uponit7771]

30. ..and that ratification CAUSED BP to spill millions of barrols of oil?

[depakid]

31. Responsible regulation and oversight could have prevented it

Are you really that shallow & blind?.

In terms of responsibility to be (and that will and should be) apportioned for this catastrophe in the months and years to follow, that's THE key point.

Fact is- Obama triangulated for crude political purposes, trusted a multinational oil corporation and in so doing, took an unreasonable risk, when the potential- perhaps inevitable results of so doing were foreseeable to any reasonably prudent person apprised of well known facts already on the record.

I'd also add that failing to own up to this will affect the Obama administration's credibility on every other controversial issue and position down the line.

[butterfly77]

36. You seem to be..

very angry.

[mstinamotorcity]

38. I am tired of hearing

the ridiculous rhetoric about the Government ought to do something.What????
I feel for the people along the gulf coast,I have friends who live in the region.But everyone must remember this is not Presidents mess to fix. This is Dubya/Shooter,BP,Transocean,Halliburton's mess to clean up. They are the ones who profited from the oil industry.I want the oil spill cleaned up like the next person,but if President Obama does as everyone asks him to do,it will mean increasing the size of Government and putting the taxpayers on the hook for the cleanup. Which I feel Halliburton has gotten enough of the peoples money through Government contracts.And lets remember it was their concrete casing that wasn't any good.Shoddy work right from the start.They got together to make some shortcuts and the gulf oil spill is the result. And repugs are against any Government spending,so soon as the President steps in the first thing they will holler is that the President is running up the deficit and we don't have the money for this clean up.And we are going to owe China forever.The repugs started this mess,they are the ones who wanted to drill every f--king where.Now all of them are trying to distance themselves from big oil.Now all of a sudden they want the President and congress to step in and fix this hot mess.And even if he does,he will not get any credit for it,only repug criticism.Leave our President alone and get your clean up money from the people who went in the back room and cut the deal to not put in the safety blow out valve and shoddy concrete casings.