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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:49 PM Original message |
Obama is just who he said he was. Were people not listening? |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. but why not run the bastards in...be the Marshal in 'High Noon'? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not so fast - he campaigned as a Progressive. |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. When did Obama say he "Never" paid attention to ecomoic matters? |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think he ran as moderate. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. He most certainly did. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. he ran as a moderate |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. There was more psychological projection on him than I've seen on one person in my lifetime... |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. This happened a little with Jimmy Carter when he ran in 1976. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I think you have nailed it! |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Agree with you Maddie. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
77. +10000 |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. true, but it shouldn't be past tense |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Yes. nt |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Our very own Chauncey Gardiner. n/t |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Exactly. It is kind of sad, really. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm sorry, I had my rose colored headphones one |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. And that is why I was neither for him nor Hillary but Dennis Kucinich. |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Sadly, Kucinich is unelectable. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. There is a young liberal out there with star quality who might be |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Boy am I ever hoping you are "correct." |
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denimgirly (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. There is no question he is no Progressive, but is more center w/a little right leaning favoritism |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. No shit sherlock, hence why I didn't support him(or Hillary) in the Primaries... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. He's better than Hillary would have been. Not nearly as much as I had hoped for, though. (nt) |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
54. Actually, in restrospect- I don't think so |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
78. Wow. What a dreamer you are. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. who was it that said Republicans hope their candidates will do what they promise |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
16. Another "why no one has the right to a contrary opinion" piece. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
66. Get down off the cross, nobody said that. |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wow, I guess he is perfect. Sorry for being disappointed at times. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
67. Claims of betrayal were under attack, not disappointment |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. You've stated it accurately |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Public Option? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. They were too busy saying Hillary was a DLC centrist while ignoring that Obama also is. nt |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Spot on. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Back at you, Keydet! |
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PopSixSquish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Define "Pressure" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm fascinated by your interpretation. It's all of the above. Praise for |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
82. Obama & his pal Rahm have made it clear they don't need the left |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. Yep. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
84. I must have made half a dozen posts pointing out how Obama was just as centrist as Hillary |
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namahage (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. Interesting take on Obama and Iraq. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. In general you are correct, Obama ran as what he is: a centrist. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. he did run on "change we can believe in"--what were we to make of that? |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yeah, help elect a Republican, vote 3rd party!! NOT |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. aw ... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. by the way, in the OP you imply we shouldn't have voted for him if we didn't like his platform |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
69. Apparently you made of it that "you" meant actual "you." |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. I think some of us still think of Dems as having pre-Clinton/DLC values... |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. After Dukakis, they decided that only DLC types could win. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I adored Dukakis. Saw him on C-Span a couple of years ago. He was at UKansas policy |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Dukakis was a great guy but horrible candidate. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. He over-estimated the intelligence of US voters. nt |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. He over estimated his own. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. It's only the case until they get the messaging right. Progressive ideas... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
39. Bullshit. He cynically played fast-and-loose, being all things to all people |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Extremely sad, but true... |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. No, you were not listening. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. + 1 million --absolutely spot-on |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. I wouldn't necessarily go that far... |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Well said. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. Your are incorrect or at least intentionally incomplete |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Obama said he supported Civil Unions. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
47. I was. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
51. President Obama did not need 60 votes for a public option due to reconciliation. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R for the truth |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
55. You don't win Ad Age's Marketer of the Year |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
58. Anyone that read this during the election was not surprised: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
60. Deleted message |
Lindsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You nailed it dumpdabaggers...Thanks for laying it out it point by |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. that's what he says while campaigning |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
62. Some of us listened to him, and were prepared to be disappointed. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. I guess I misheard when he said he was a fierce advocate... |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. ..... |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. Kick n/t |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
73. Glad to say that I knew who I was voting for, and... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
74. Your list is long on excuses. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
76. I don't understand it, either. There was no compelling evidence that suggested |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
79. LALALA? |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
80. You're wrong. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. He also "evolved" from supporting a single payer health care system |
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