Cornyn says POTUS "Got Lucky" re Times Square Bomber

[monmouth]

Complete article at:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/cornyn-obama-got-lucky-th_n_563374.html


Cornyn: Obama Got 'Lucky' That Times Square Bomber Is Talking

Even though the suspected plotter in the Times Square car-bombing attempt is talking to authorities after being read his Miranda rights, Republicans in the Senate aren't giving the Obama White House any slack.

In a steady stream of indictments, top-ranking officials in the GOP said it didn't matter that the Obama Department of Justice was getting information from Faisal Shahzad, the now-detained the Pakistani-born American. The fact that the administration chose to read Miranda rights to the suspect shows a national security policy steeped in naivety and potentially dangerous.

"That is a stroke of good luck," Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) said of the news that Shahzad was cooperating even after getting his Miranda rights read to him. "What if he had not waived them and just quit talking, said 'I want my lawyer'?"

"Maybe we got lucky and said I will go ahead and talk to you anyway," said Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). "But you didn't know that when you read the rights. So I stand by what I said -- it is better in these kinds of cases to get the intelligence first and then, if you decide you want to proceed with an Article 3 prosecution, then read the Miranda rights."

[DrToast]

1. Cornyn gets lucky every day that his constituents don't recognize him for the buffoon that he is

[Enthusiast]

17. +1 nt

[FrenchieCat]

2. Bush wasn't so lucky with all of the advance notice he got,

and what he got for that was 91% approval ratings,
while we ended up with two wars, a lot of dead bodies,
and a whole lot of money gone!

So my advice to Cornyn is STFU asshole!! :grr:

[fishwax]

3. rights are dangerous

:eyes:

[political_Dem]

4. Cornyn is nothing but a stupid jerk. He's caught nothing but his own bad behavior.

He's just jealous because it wasn't a republican from the old boys' club taking care of business when the country is threatened.

[nsd]

5. Actually, they questioned him before Miranda.

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/05/04/re-miranda/

At a press conference Tuesday afternoon, Attorney General Eric Holder, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, FBI Deputy Director John Pistole and New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly updated reporters on the ongoing investigation into the attempted bombing in Times Square.

They said the suspect, Faisal Shahzad, was interviewed by the FBI under the Public Safety Exception rule before being read his rights. Pistole said Shahzad, a naturalized American citizen, cooperated with investigators both before and after being Mirandized, and Holder said the interviews provided "useful information." Pistole declined to say how long Shahzad was questioned before he was read Miranda rights.

From the 1984 Supreme Court ruling on New York v. Quarles:

The doctrinal underpinnings of Miranda do not require that it be applied in all its rigor to a situation in which police officers ask questions reasonably prompted by a concern for the public safety.

[GoCubsGo]

6. Tell that to the NYPD, asshole.

I'm sure they would disagree with that assessment, Mr. Cornhole. As would the FBI.

[Dr Morbius]

7. I think America got lucky with the Time Square bomber.

With a different kind of fertilizer, I understand he might have done some serious damage. We, the people, dodged a bullet here.

Having said that, the "distinguished gentleman" from Texas is an asshat.

[boppers]

28. Nope, even with a different kind of fertilizer, it still would have been a dud.

The would be "bomber" didn't know anything about explosives, it's like he made his silly chain of devices based on a bad movie script.

He would have needed not *only* a different kind of fertilizer, we would have also needed to make the fertilizer volatile (it's stable just sitting in a bag), *and* had a sufficient detonation device.

Instead, the moron was tying firecrackers, to gasoline cans, that were sitting near bags of fertilizer....

:rofl:

[Cha]

8. "Retired General: mccain, pete king putting American lives at risk"

Let's not forget cornyn..

<snip>

"I just got off the phone with retired General Paul Eaton, who is best known for training Iraqi troops during the Bush years, and he offered scathing criticism of John McCain and Pete King for demanding that the Obama administration refrain from Mirandizing the Times Square bomb suspect.

General Eaton bluntly said McCain and King are potentially putting American lives at risk.

Eaton, a political independent who says he’s voted for both Republicans and Democrats, ripped McCain and King’s comments as “wholly inappropriate,” adding that not Mirandizing the suspect risks making it tougher to win a prosecution of him in court.

“I don’t understand how a Senator or a Congressman can challenge the Mirandizing procedure,” Eaton, who is also a senior adviser at the Dem-leaning National Security Network, told me. “The laws are clear. Rep. King and Senator McCain have advocated a position that could cost us this case.”

Eaton added that there’s no way the suspect will ever be tried in a military tribunal, and said that his trial was certain to take place in the civilian court system.

“The offense occured at Times Square,” he said. “It’s not a military venue. He’s an American citizen. The military has no juristiction.”

<MORE>
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terrorism/retired-general-mccain-pete-king-putting-american-lives-at-risk/

[NYC Liberal]

9. I bet you won't hear Obama bragging about "hitting the trifecta" as

a certain ex-president did. *cough*

[Jennicut]

10. First the underwear bomber and now this guy. I think the GOP doesn't get it.

Threatening a suspect gets you lies or makes the shut up. Not doing that gets them to talk. You would think they could figure it out by now.

[harun]

14. They don't figure anything out, they are stuck on stupid.

[hobbit709]

11. Cornyn is so stupid he'd have to move up 2 levels to get to idiot.

[greencharlie]

12. you know what's more effective than Miranda or Torture?

Mr. Shahzad, we've just received a call from Pakistani Intelligence, they'd like to have a talk with you... we're putting you on a plane to Islamabad in an hour...

(the talking starts)

[dkf]

13. Analyst on msnbc said these guys generally talk a lot because they wanted to make a point in the

First place. And if their bombs don't go off then it's even more imperative.

[CTyankee]

24. Heh, yeah, they've gotta lotta 'splainin to do...LOL

[ljm2002]

15. I have a question for Cornyn...

...what exactly is the advantage to having U.S. citizenship, again? I'd really like to know. I am a U.S. citizen with a passport and everything. But you're saying that, if I am accused of something -- specifically something "terror-related" -- then it is okay for the authorities to dispense with reading me my Miranda rights. Since we have also done away with habeas corpus, I guess they could just lock me up and throw away the key, right then and there.

So remind me again, what is the great advantage to U.S. citizenship?

[airforceone88888888]

16. as americans

we all got lucky

[WheelWalker]

18. +1

Welcome to DU. Blessings.

[bigwillq]

26. hello

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[davidpdx]

19. The true message behind this is

they want Obama to fail. Republican scumsuckers.

[mikekohr]

20. Using that logic, Bush must be the most unlucky bastard that ever lived

Given the choice I'll bet on the lucky guy.

[old mark]

21. Obama gets lucky pretty frequently which IIRC, was Napolean's preference

in a good General...


mark

[FrenchieCat]

22. Somebody here said that too!

[MadMaddie]

23. This should Read "Cornyn says that Law Enforcement officials

got lucky, because they don't know how to torture people to get answers"!!

That's how ridiculous Cornyn is.....Hey when Cornyn gets arrested let's see how he likes it when his Miranda rights are threatened!!

[yellowcanine]

25. Boner is saying this also - obviously the latest pubbie meme.

[Greg K]

27. The stupid thing about this is, rights are not conferred by Miranda.

They are conferred by the Constitution. The suspect can "lawyer up" all by himself without having to have been read Miranda first.

Miranda protects the prosecution as much as it does the suspect, by defining what's admissible in court.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

29. Cornyn used to be a judge...he should know better.

You don't Mirandize a suspect, you could get your entire case thrown out. He should know enough about criminal procedure even though he was a civil judge. But he doesn't.

Criminal procedure is a completely different course in law school. Criminal defense is the fine art of a ton of motions to shoot holes in the state's case.

Cornhole is an idiot.