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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:23 PM Original message |
REINSTATE THE DRAFT! And, |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. That alone would end this |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are some war cheerleaders here that should volunteer immediately too. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
93. Yes a bunch of CHICKEN-HAWKS here |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is such an insanely good idea... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Our very own Chairborne Rangers right here need to enlist, too. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
83. Somebody with mad computer skills needs to invent a shoulder patch for |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. This expedition is MADNESS |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. That too, of course. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. if they want to "win" |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
6. Insanely bad idea. It was ended for a reason. It also adversely effected the poor and less |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. And that isn't true with our current volunteeer army? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Not necessarily true. That's a stereotype. Lots and lots of middle class in the ranks, |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Middle class, yes. But the claim was that the draft |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. You can get a low paying job but in a draft you cannot necessarily find |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. Deleted message |
happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. The Draft ended as the American People turned against the war in Vietnam |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Why did Nixon ask for a two year extension of the draft law in 1971 |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Because he was NOT getting enough enlistees |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. I would take a decline in the abilities of our military over |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. I think that's the whole point of the OP... that forcing *everyone* to take a chance on serving... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Yes but in reality there would be loopholes and the wealthy and well connected would get out of |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
102. Exactly, Why is this so hard for some of these folks to understand |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
104. Universal Draft/ No rich boy deferments |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Better: Wealthy automatic 1-A, Poverty automatic 4-F |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well I will admit that this is the very conversation I had the day after Thanksgiving. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. Those who promote a war they would not fight, nor see their |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. I guarantee the war mongers would change their mind if their Son was going to the war! +1 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Wouldn't be so sure of that |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. knr |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. Why are you jumping on Congress? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Because it's Congress who's abdicating it's responsibility to "declare war" or "defund" |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
12. Go ahead and reinstitute a draft |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. So it's okay to kill, |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Its always about winning |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
54. And those are things you find admirable? nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. Did you mean the '64 election? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. What the war hawk Democrats don't realize is that IF WE defund these wars and bring |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. A draft will change none of that |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. I've got three republicans on my block |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
96. Those Fuckers are dispicable |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. It's going to go down, anyway. eom |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Not in your life time. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
86. I'm referring to the 2010 democratic congressional election |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. Surge supporters would rather serve the nation from their keyboards n/t |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. LOL. Sad but very very true. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. If the draft were reinstated.. only the poor would fight.. it was a nightmare to get rid of it |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Nobody said to institute the same unequal draft system |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
43. No, it wasn't |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. If that were so |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. No, I would love to see the "deals" made that would ruin political futures. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
46. No , you are wrong |
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bluedigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. The Draft should be reinstated. |
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Michigan-Arizona (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. I very much agree rateyes! n/t |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
22. Send Obama (nt) |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Nothing would |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't believe in the draft because the politicians and their children... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Many DUers support the magic fairy tale draft that includes rich politicians and their kids |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Well, wouldn't a fairy tale draft be appropriate for a fairy tale war? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. It's not a fairy tale war when people over there are getting killed every day |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Exactly |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
27. k & r |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
34. No but I think |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Freedom of speech |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That is what I said to my former friend |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. There will certainly some calls for returning to the draft with this ... |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. Your friends were wrong |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
39. Yes, Kill off the Poor to make the Rich Richer! |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. WRONG |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Career Army Father? Seriously? |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. My father hated the Vietnam War |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That's what I thought. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. A truly universal draft is not wrong |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #63 |
110. Why not answer post # 66 |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
41. Instead of a draft, how about random executions of men 18-30 years old? |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Great, a loser argument |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. What, you want to kill them over there instead? Talk about a loser argument. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Power will not send their kids to a fucked up war |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. As a CO and resister, I couldn't |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Maybe not so odd |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. Power will not enact a universal draft, either |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #79 |
98. That's what the ballot box is for |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. The people don't get to vote on legislation, let alone create it |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
80. No, it isn't funny |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
45. American voters don't want a draft |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
49. No. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
55. Yep.. and put this country on a pure, wartime footing... |
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MidwestRick (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
59. No thanks |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
64. Deleted sub-thread |
chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
67. It won 't happen, any more than the embedded msm will give it a human face |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. This is my pollyanna wish, Buffy said it best |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
69. Agree |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
70. If you want this war, go fight it. |
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MidwestRick (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. lame arguement n/t |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
71. Oh nonsense. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I don't agree |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. The draft has never stopped a war. Not WWII not Vietnam. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
99. The draft mobilized this country |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. I was drafted in 1966, the war ended 9 years later. The draft did not end the war. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. Yeah, that'd probably end our wars. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. My point again is The rich won't start war for profit if their kids are subject |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. We agree about the outcome, we're just disagreeing on how to get it. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I would like to use the ballot box |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
82. Murtha proposed just such a bill going into this mess. |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
84. Very naive and disheartening coming from Dems |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I am a boomer. I am simply pointing out the damned hypocrisy |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #84 |
101. Lottery changed that |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
89. You want to see REAL in-the-streets activism, bring back the draft! |
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glen123098 (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. Yeah lets reinstate the draft and give Obama more cannon fodder |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
92. I think conscription is a better idea. |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
106. Pikachu! I Draft YOU!!! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
111. Draft the children of the 5% wealthiest in our country. These are the people who profit from war. |
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