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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:21 PM Original message |
Obama Plans to Propose $38 Billion Business Tax Breaks in State of the Union Speech |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Slap a Buy American clause on it. eom |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Really. Otherwise it will be just as effective as all the BushCo tax breaks. nt |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Another goody. NT |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Tax breaks are the worst way to stimulate the economy |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. If the tax breaks encourage businesses to buy equipment, then it will stimulate the economy. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yes, it will, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Absolutely |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Corporations to the rescue! Or are we making a distinction between corporations and businesses? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Corporation is just a business structure |
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bestgal (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
88. Businesses that profit are the only small businesses that need the break |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. How would it? Seriously? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The businesses selling the equipment will benefit from these tax breaks |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. First assumption is that tax breaks will cause increased production/demand (supply-side) |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The businesses will only get these tax breaks of they buy equipment |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. If a business is profitable, and has the capital to upgrade equipment, why, oh why... |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The point of extending this program is to continue to encourage MORE demand for capital equipment |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. And how does subsidizing shareholder's dividends encourage demand? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. Research shows tax breaks are least effective way to stimulate the economy. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
77. Here's a chart |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Thanks! I remember seeing that bar graph and couldn't find it. |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Damn straight.... |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. I've posted a link below which backs up your statement. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
62. not necessarily this one |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Supply-Side Reaganomics |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The businesses selling this equipment can see the increase in demand. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. How do tax cuts on profits going to the rich encourage a business to buy more equipment |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. This proposal only applies to companies that acquire equipment. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I saw it. Still absurd |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Companies will realize that they will get the tax break when buying new equip. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. "it's entirely possible that companies will not have bought new equipment had the tax break not bee" |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. A company can be even more profitable using these tax breaks and acquiring equipment |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. What is the value being more profitable (especially when the government subsidizes the profit)? |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
23. Goody. Tax breaks. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. What is new is to see "liberals" defend em |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Worse to see Dems who think that every tax break is an evil thing. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. +1 |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Why? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Just as ridiculous as imagining an opponent's argument then trying to tear it down |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. The post I responded to is against a Dem supporting ANY tax break. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Of course you are accurate. Context is irrelevant |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Context???? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. We are talking about business tax cuts here meant as stimulative measures. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yes ... a business tax cuts that small business can also use ... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. In your view, there is nothing wrong with the measure |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. You seem to think that anyone in business is RICH. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. The majority ownership of industry is by the rich |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. When there are much better ways to stimulate the economy |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Do you think every "business" tax break is only a "corporate" tax break ... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. No, but its really absolutely irrelevant to the business structure in question |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Compare this to the cash for clunkers .... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Its not comparable |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Come on ... apples and oranges ... please. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yes, shareholders...small businesses are often set up as corps |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. And the tax break on home mortgage ... bad too ... right? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Not a bit. Decent personal tax break to promote personal tax fairness |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
80. Yes. I've worked for both a fortune 500 company and a sole proprietorship. |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. Businesses whether they are incorporated or not make decisions |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
84. Or Dems that shit on progressive policies that favors the domestic manufacturing sector... |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. No "squirming" here |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Strawman. I'm not saying tax cuts are "bad" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. What are you talking about? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Exactly my point! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You don't know what you're talking about. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Good retort! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. "The action has already taken place. " The only one that |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Firstly, its really spot on. Secondly, this is about business tax, not personal |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. "A tax cut only effects a profitable business. " |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You are missing the point |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. No, I'm not. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. The point is about supply-side economics, and you don't get that |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. I don't think there is anything certain people won't defend. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. Excellent. n/t |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. What bullshit. So much for main st. - again, favors for wall st. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Wall Street? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. BINGO. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. Since when the hell was helping manufacturing in this nation ever a "favor for Wall St"? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. If he wants to help manufacturing he should throw 100 billion at wind and high speed rail. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Oh, right, because thats the ONLY things we manufacture. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
60. But where will the equipment be made? |
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optimator (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. more TRICKLE DOWN VOODOO |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
73. Good. We can't very well expect new jobs without businesses to hire people. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. Spending freezes and tax breaks? WTF? |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. Well, I prefer tax breaks for businesses to tax rewards for procreating -- |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
76. A tax break for business. DU craps its collective pants. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. 'Scuse me, I have a small business of my own, |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Another small business owner here, and I agree. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. They'll whine about anything even if it benefits |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. 27 cents on the dollar. That how much of a stimulus you get for accelerated depreciation. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
86. I would prefer he leave the trickle down BS to the pukes whose followers are stupid |
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