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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:54 PM
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Brazil socks it to the U.S. big time -- trade sanctions


Brazil announces sanctions on US cars, fruit
By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER – 2 hours ago

GENEVA — Brazil announced trade sanctions on a range of American goods Monday in retaliation for the United States' failure to eliminate billions in illegal cotton subsidies — a move that affects products from Ford automobiles to Heinz ketchup.

The higher tariffs affecting dozens of products from fresh fruit to sunglasses comes after the World Trade Organization authorized Brazil last year to set $829.3 million in annual penalties against U.S. economic interests for years of anticompetitive subsidies paid to American cotton growers.

Lots more (English)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jXH-P8CX_NAcHxlzc_uryU652oYQD9EAINHO0

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The merry couple of Tom Shannon (now U.S. ambassador in Brasilia) and Hillary were not able to stave off the sanctions law week.

The commercial sanctions were one of the issues discussed during the visit to Brazil last week by the U.S. secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, who also said she confided in a negotiated solution.
(Las sanciones comerciales fueron uno de los asuntos discutidos en la visita a Brasil hecha la semana pasada por la secretaria de Estado de Estados Unidos, Hillary Clinton, quien también dijo confiar en una solución negociada.)

Article in Spanish from El Espectador of Bogota where first spotted the story.)

http://www.elespectador.com/noticias/elmundo/articulo191758-brasil-anuncia-lista-de-productos-los-sancionara-eeuu
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:05 PM
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1. Wow! So is THIS why Clinton went to Brazil?
:wow:
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:15 PM
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2. Probably, there is a lot of money involved for U.S. exporters


So, Hil and Shannon were not able to hold off the sanctions, and even before she got to Brazil she was told to buzz off regarding Brazil's relations with Tehran.

Not a good trip for Hil.

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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:45 PM
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3. It happens
It's less than $1 billion in penalties. Don't get excited, I know many of you are agaisnt free trade, but that's what the WTO does, it referees free trade disputes to encourage nations to open their markets to imports and competition from abroad. The Brazilians want to enter the US cotton market, and they are fighting US agricultural subsidies. Eventually they'll negotiate something, they always do.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 06:41 PM
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5. We don't need lectures from people who make racist comments!
Comment #36, here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x30994

Your comments about the "rainforest Chernobly" in Ecuador--the Chevron-Texaco toxic oil spill the size of Rhode Island, which has destroyed fisheries, rivers and streams and the living of 30,000 Indigenous people in the Amazon forest--and your racist remark, that the charges against Chevron should be disregarded because they were "presented by an Indian," taint all your other comments on Latin American issues. You are an oil corporation apologist. And your remarks are so ignorant, uninformed and so like the crap put out by Chevron's 12 P.R. firms--which they hired to discredit the Indigenous who filed suit against them for damages and cleanup--that your views have no credibility whatsoever.

In fact, I advise other DUers to use my Rule No. 1 from the Bush Junta as a guide to determining the truth of your statements: To wit, whatever you assert, the opposite is the truth.

Thus, we can surmise that--contrary to "protocol rv"s views--this is quite a big deal and that this isn't "what the WTO does"--ruling against the U.S. In fact, the WTO was set up by the U.S. and its multinational corporations to favor behemoths like the U.S. at the expense of "third world" countries, and it took a decade of passionate work by leftist activists and leftist leaders in Latin America to force the WTO to become fairer and more democratic--with Brazil in the lead of that effort.

"...that's what the WTO does, it referees free trade disputes..." "Protocol rv" would like us to swallow this Pollyanna view that there is some sort of objective institution out there that wasn't set up by the rich for the rich. He doesn't want people to know that the protests of tens of thousands of dedicated activists, including many campesinos and Indigenous, as well as courageous political leaders like Lula da Silva, have been effective and are helping to change the rules. "Ho-hum, move along, nothing to see here." The opposite is true--there is much to see and understand here, as to the WTO, as to Brazil and the Latin American left, as to all the anti-globalization protests, and as to the failure and backstabbing and ill intentions of Clinton diplomacy and as to the eventual outcome. "Eventually they'll negotiate something, they always do," and we can know from this that they won't. This is a "shot across the bow," that is going to be accompanied by additional developments in the economic/political integration and unity movement in Latin America, leading to a Latin American "common market."

As a Chevron-Texaco apologist, "protocol rv" doesn't want us to think these thoughts--that Latin American countries can establish independence from U.S. corpo-fascist bullying and dictation. As a racist, "protocol rv" would likely despise the fact that the Indigenous are leading this vast and important independence movement in countries like Bolivia and Ecuador and that mixed race, brown-skinned people like Hugo Chavez hold major leadership roles in this revolution. Chavez in particular has had a profound influence on Lula da Silva, who--contrary to "protocol rv"'s view--is not acting only in the economic interests of Brazil; he and Chavez share a "raise all boats" philosophy for the region and a deep commitment to Latin American sovereignty and independence that is achievable if the countries of the region stick together. Rightwingers want us to believe that everyone is always out just for themselves. They want us to believe in selfishness and greed. Clearly something better is arising in Latin America and "protocol rv" doesn't like it. It doesn't fit the "dog eat dog" world of the corporate rulers.

And this is why I never put anybody on "ignore," don't report violations of DU rules such as "protocol rv" committed, and don't mind stupid Freeper comments. If you simply presume the opposite of what they say, you can find out the truth.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:18 PM
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6. Blah blah blah
You're funny.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 05:40 PM
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4. I've been hearing about the problem with cotton for years. So glad he did this before leaving office
I doubt the Sec. of State stayed long enough to let the door hit her on the butt on her way out.

No one expect ANYONE to stand up to US business interests considering what the US has done before to protect them, legal, illegal, criminal, vicious, murderous, deadly or not.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:25 AM
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8. The US government does stand up for US business interests
The same way the Brazilian government stands up for Brazilian business interests. What usually happens in a trade dispute likes this is a negotiated settlement. The US government will change the subsidies given to cotton farmers, and the Brazilians will open wide their markets to say US oil industry machinery, in which the US is the world leader. Or something like that. It depends on the lobby ability of each industry to argue for their own interests. Brazil also wants to be able to export ethanol to the US, so I wouldn't be surprised to see these negotiations drop the ethanol tariffs created to block ethanol imports.

I know you have a virulent anti US stance, but it's barking up the wrong tree to think Latin American nations really have much clout to move the US, or damage the US using trade. Most of what they can do would tend to backfire unless they can create a unified block, and the serious differences between nations will guarantee such a block can never unite.

The US position is clearly to bid for time, contain Chavez, and wait for his "revolution" to implode. Containment until economic collapse worked for the Soviets, and I suspect the US elites believe such containment will work just as efficiently in Venezuela's case.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:01 AM
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9. The only "virulent anti ** stance" I've seen from Ms. Lynn is toward oligarch apologies.
Quite reasonable. Moral.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:18 PM
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7. Way to go Hillary!!11111 nt
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