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spanza Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:09 AM
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Venezuela predicts 0.5 percent growth in 2010
Sat Oct 3, 5:05 am ET

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez said Friday that Venezuela will base its 2010 budget on expectations of 0.5 percent economic growth and inflation no higher than 22 percent, despite depressed world prices for oil, the nation's biggest export.

Venezuela's economy contracted 1 percent in the first half of the year — down from 6 percent growth a year earlier. Venezuela is also battling the highest inflation rate of any Latin American nation, reaching 26.7 percent in August.

Chavez said the nation expects to lower inflation to between 20 and 22 percent next year, but he did not say what measures the government would adopt to reach that goal. He also reiterated plans to boost growth and generate employment by increasing spending in areas including construction.

Next year's budget will be based on prices of $40 a barrel for Venezuela's heavy crude, which sells for roughly $5 a barrel less than benchmark light, sweet crude. Chavez added that the estimate is conservative, as the government expects Venezuelan oil to average $60 to $70 next year.

"We are obliged to be prudent," Chavez said.

He added that Venezuela could increase this week's debt sale of $3 billion in dollar-denominated debt bonds by as much as $1 billion after investors solicited some 6.5 times more than the amount offered. Venezuela announced the domestic bond sale Monday as part of a plan to help finance public spending.

The sale will bring Venezuela's total debt sales this year up to $15.8 billion, the amount approved by the National Assembly earlier this year, Chavez said.

The socialist leader said last week that Venezuela will also pay off more than $4.6 billion in oil industry debts by the end of the year and provide loans to businesses in sectors including manufacturing and construction to stimulate economic growth.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091003/ap_on_bi_ge/lt_venezuela_economy_1;_ylt=AifSLMwH7drFfgjUrwBu.UH9SpZ4
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 01:03 PM
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1. Venezuelan Economy is hurting
The Venezuelan national budget is drafted using $40 US per barrel, which appears to be prudent until one accounts for the inflated oil production forecast they use.

The article doesn't mention it, but they apparently budgeted using 3.3 million barrels per day. Venezuela consumes about 0.6 million bpd, this would (in theory) allow them to export 2.7 million bpd.

But OPEC, which tracks their members' oil exports and production, reports Venezuela is producing about 2.4 million bpd (in other words, for some reason the government is inflating the production figures). This translates to 1.8 million bpd of exports. If we correct for about 0.1 million bpd which Venezuela sends to ALBA members and doesn't get paid for, then the government projection becomes 2.6 million bpd, and the OPEC projection becomes 1.7 million bpd.

The ratio of Venezuelan official versus OPEC (likely real) production rates is 1.52. If we multiply $40 per barrel by 1.52, we get $61 dollars per barrel, which is very close to the current price for Venezuelan crude (which being lower quality, fetches less than marker crudes).

My conclusion? The Venezuelan government is just budgeting assuming oil production and oil prices will remain flat. Since their oil production has been dropping gradually, and prices may increase a bit, one could say they should do ok. But long term, their economy is either going to be barely growing, or possibly dropping, but Venezuela's population keeps increasing, so the per capita GDP will likely continue to drop and this isn't good news for the Chavez regime. If I were them, I wouldn't be buying so many weapons, and would worry instead about where their next meal is going to come from.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:17 AM
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3. Your analysis is so obviously aimed at your final snark...
("If I were them, I wouldn't be buying so many weapons, and would worry instead about where their next meal is going to come from.") that I wondered whether to even reply to it. (Venezuela has one of the LOWEST defense budgets in South America--about ONE TENTH that of Brazil--and was forced to replace certain hardware--fighter jets, etc.--because the US/Bushwhacks wouldn't sell them replacement parts for their US purchases!) Your series of guesses about Venezuela's oil production also makes your analysis very iffy. And, finally, you ignore a number of important underlying facts: 1) While fully funding boffo social programs (free universal medical care, free education through college, wiping out illiteracy, providing grants and loans to small business, the first well-thought-out land reform program in the country and much more) the Chavez government saved $43 billion in international cash reserves--for just such a "rainy day" as Bush Jr. inflicted on the world last September--which gives Venezuela great flexibility in riding out the world economic crisis; 2) Venezuela is just coming off five straight years of sizzling economic growth (nearly 10% growth rate 2003-2008, most of it in the private sector, not including oil) and was/is due for a slowdown.

Upshot: Everybody's hurting. Those lucky enough to have transparent election systems and leaders who planned ahead (not us) landed on their feet, and Venezuela is prime among those countries. Brazil is another. Both of them, working together, also defied World Bank/IMF (i.e., US/Bushwhack) "advice" and kept tight reins on their banking/finance industries. Venezuela had furthermore created the Bank of the South, to elbow out ruinous World Bank/IMF loan sharks, and create regionally controlled development funds with social justice goals.

A third underlying fact, that you misrepresent and apparently misunderstand is Venezuela's help to other countries. ("If we correct for about 0.1 million bpd which Venezuela sends to ALBA members and doesn't get paid for..."). You apparently believe in a "dog eat dog" world in which everybody fucks everybody else and each of us goes to a lonely death full of sound and fury signifying nothing. This despairing rightwing/capitalist predator view of things is what is wrong with the world right now. The South Americans are creating a different model. Chavez (Venezuela) and Lulu (Brazil), for instance, have a quite different "raise all boats" philosophy, which they no doubt have worked out in their monthly meetings with each other, and which is now the "watchword" across the board in South and Central America--a quite new and excellent development. Thus, Brazil's president pressured the corporations who buy Paraguay's hydroelectric power (virtually its only export) to renegotiate those unfair (to Paraguay) contracts--after Paraguay elected its first leftist president--to give Paraguay a much fairer deal. Lulu stated that Brazil cannot, in all conscience--nor in practicality--prosper while its neighbor countries are so poor. Similarly, when the Bushwhacks attacked Bolivia's leftist government (the white separatist coup attempt in September 2008, funded and organized right out of the US embassy, and Bolivia's president Evo Morales threw the US ambassador out of Bolivia), Brazil and Argentina--Bolivia's chief gas customers--helped support Morales and defeat the coup by economic pressure on the coupsters. (who were trying to secede from Bolivia and take Bolivia's main gas resources with them.) Brazil and Venezuela also helped out, by pledging funds to build a highway from Brazil's Atlantic coast across South America to the Pacific, through Bolivia--which will turn Bolivia into a major trade route. Chile's leftist president also helped by settling a long term dispute with land-locked Bolivia, by granting Bolivia access to the Pacific.

You see how this works? Generosity is good economics! If you are kind to your neighbors, they in turn are kind to you, and all will benefit from the general prosperity. Venezuela's barter trade group, ALBA, is solely based on this principle. Thus, Venezuela provides Cuba with cheap oil, and Cuba in turn provides doctors from its excellent medical education program to Venezuela. (Venezuela is short on doctors because prior governments utterly neglected their country in every way, including the education of doctors and providing medical care for the poor.) Nothing wrong with barter trade. It may not show up on the balance sheets of corpo thinkers, but it has long term benefits that may far exceed those visible to "greenshade" accountants, banksters and Wall Street madmen. While the asshole US policy of embargoing Cuba continues on its asshole way, Venezuelans benefit from medical care, from Cuba's famous eye clinic, from Cuba's also well-known and highly regarded literacy program, from vacationing on Cuba's pristine beaches, and maybe from developing Cuba's big recent oil find.

(Speaking of that: Venezuela may be predicting its oil production higher than OPEC figures, based on its planning projects with France's Total, British BP, Norway's Statoil, China's oil developers, and others--that is, on more recent developments than OPEC figured in. You don't give the date of the OPEC report, nor provide the bases of either prediction, so it is impossible to tell which prediction is more accurate. Cuba's big oil find may be part of Venezuela's equation as well, though I don't think there is time for it to affect next year's production, and I don't know if they have a deal yet. My point is that Venezuela has been busy making deals and developing facilities. It may have more current information than OPEC.)

Your analysis is much like the views of other anti-left, anti-Chavez posters here and elsewhere, who simply don't--and maybe can't (are unable to)--credit the Chavez government for its many amazing accomplishments and its long term thinking, nor acknowledge the new cooperative atmosphere among the leftist leadership of South and Central America--Lulu's and Chavez's "raise all boats" philosophy. The future lay in cooperation, and in democratic consideration of the poor majority and the "will of the people" all across the region. While we suffer enormously from the "dog eat dogism" of our Corporate Rulers, the South Americans are way in advance of us in solving the inherent problems of the predatory capitalism that our rulers have tried to inflict on them. When the Bushwhack Financial 9/11 occurred, Lula da Silva said something like this: 'You (First World financiers, US-dominated World Bank/IMF) lectured us on privatisation and deregulation, but we knew best!" In other words, true leaders attend to the common good, not to the greed of the rich. That is the best policy for everyone.

The Chavez government, in negotiating oil contracts that favor Venezuela and its social programs, and in both spending money on social programs, and saving lots of money that would otherwise have gone into the pockets of Exxon Mobil oil executives, set up a situation in which they could ride out $60/barrel prices without touching their $43 billion in international cash reserves. The Bushwhacks struck, and so they have had to spend some of that money. This is partly the cause of their one big problem--inflation is too high. But they have been so truly conservative (in the best sense of the word) in their management of Venezuela's economy--as opposed to the radical Bushwhacks who wasted all of our money and resources, unto the 7th generation, on war and on enriching themselves--that I have confidence in the Chavez government's ability to solve inflation without inducing depression (as is happening here). (Inflation favors the poor, if it doesn't get too high. Deflation favors the rich. Depression favors almost no one. Ask FDR!)

I also have confidence in the direction of the region--toward more inclusive democracy, social justice and economic/political integration. If they continue in this vein of helping each other out, they will leave us in the dust.
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:31 AM
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4. My Analysis Shows Chavez headed the wrong way
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 08:33 AM by Braulio
My friend, I will not write such an extensive essay, and will of course refrain from commenting on your background or telling you what you evidently think, as you have done. However, I do wish to point out the following results of my research:

The official published budget figures for military spending by Brazil and Venezuela in 2007 and 2009 are:

Brazil, 2007: $14.7 billion, 2008: $15.5 billion, total $30.2 billion, total 1.45 % of GDP
Venezuela, 2007: $2.3 billion, 2008: $2 billion, total $4.3 billion, 1.45 % of GDP.

Thus, the budgeted spending, AS PERCENT OF GDP, show that Venezuela and Brazil have been spending about the same amount (when comparing this data, it's important to factor in a country's size, and Brazil of course is much larger and has a much bigger population and GDP than Venezuela).

So what's happening in 2009? Further to the budgeted figures, Chavez has taken a line of credit to purchase $2.2 billion in Russian weapons. This is on top of $4 billion of previous agreements, which have been kept of the official budget. Brazil, for its part, has announced they intend to purchase as much as $14 billion in new equipment. Both Venezuela and Brazil would spend this money over a period of years.

Venezuela has a fairly murky practice, some of the government budget is approved by the Congress, and given to Ministries to administer, but a huge portion is directed to non-transparent funds controlled by Chavez, such as one called FONDEN. The billions of US dollars going into these funds are not reported in detail, so it's hard to say where the money goes. This makes it difficult to understand what are they REALLy spending on anything.

If we consider BOTH the Brazilian and Venezuelan agreements, it seems BOTH are excessive, but Brazil's is less so if we factor the size of the country, and the huge offshore territorial water area they have found to be so rich in oil. As you probably know, Brazil will soon become Latin America's largest oil producer, as Venezuela and Mexico suffer from what appears to be serious oil production declines.

Regarding Venezuelan economic performance, it's tied to the drop they suffered during an oil strike in 2003, and oil prices. Venezuela, being a "monoeconomy" where oil is king, is largely tracking the oil price. When I indicated they essentially give away about 0.1 million bpd of oil, it was just as part of an analysis showing how they rig their budget, using a low oil price but inflated production targets, which they know very well are not realistic.

Another small point: This website has reported that, last week, Chavez called the situation in the public hospitals a national emergency, because they are in terrible shape. The same articles revealed thousands of centers built for Cuban doctors have been abandoned. If Chavez himself says the state of public health care in Venezuela is so bad it amounts to a national emergency, then I have a tendency to believe him. So the question is, should the priorities be to purchase soviet tanks, which Venezuela can't really use to defend itself, or to make sure their hospitals give an adequate care to the population?




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:51 AM
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10. As Peace Patriot told you, something MANY DU'ers know, G.W.Bush closed
sales of military goods to Venezuela, AND sales of replacement parts, so WE know everything had to be replaced or the figure I've posted, using the BBC News figures, taken from Jane's Defense Weekly http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml would be FAR FAR lower than Venezuela's expenditures for defense purpose have been in rebuilding.

Don't slime in here and attempt to put one over on us. We DO serious reading. Either contribute with dignity or take off. Don't imagine this is the place to try to make trouble for people who come here to pool our resources, share information, and communicate as civilized adults.

Take that all somewhere else.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:58 AM
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11. As always, your posts are worth reading from begtinning to end. Appareciate your work so much.
Glad you mentioned Venezuela currently offers preferential, discounted oil to poorer customers. It's NEVER give away as free stuff, as the poseurs who occassionally infest message boards attempt to pass off as honest information.

DISCOUNTED. As you have pointed out, it's arranged sometimes in AMAZING, creative, mutually benefical agreements.

Thanks for your patience, and unflagging effort to see the truth gets an airing whenever it is misrepresented.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:01 PM
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9. Here's a graphic image I know you will find helpful.
It was shared with the serious people among us in a LBN thread by exceeding decent DU'er Ronnie624:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/media/images/46373000/gif/_46373924_south_america_defence466.gif
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8255930.stm
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 02:31 PM
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2. US Economy Shrank 0.7%
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 02:34 PM by Downwinder
The world’s largest economy shrank at a 0.7 percent annual rate from April through June, the best performance in more than a year, revised figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Gross domestic product contracted at a 6.4 percent pace in the first three months of 2009.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=USD
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:38 AM
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5. Blame the Banks and the Regulators
The Economist magazine has a very good series of articles about the mess caused in the USA by the banks, insurance companies such as AIG, and the regulators. My conclusion is the US tax payer was robbed of about $1 trillion by these ghouls. However, the system is recovering nicely, although unemployment is very high, and structural problems remain, which will likely drive the US dollar down, and make the US working class suffer. Obvious solutions could be at hand, such as reforming the national health care, stopping the flow of illegal aliens, cutting back on weapons purchases and the insane wars started by Bush, and reforming the regulatory environment to shrink bank sizes and make them more responsible for their own idiocies. But it's doubtful the USA will implement the reforms it needs to implement.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:58 PM
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6. Not blaming anybody. Just a comparison.
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:09 PM
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7. Comparisons
Well, I guess it would be to be expected to have Americans compare things to America, and its statistics. So here it goes:

Venezuela is a relatively poor country, with poor leadership. USA is a very rich country, with poor leadership.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:19 PM
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8. Define rich.
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 06:20 PM by Downwinder
Access to borrowed funds?
Lots of trinkets?
Limited industrial base?
Depleted resources?
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