Besides Cindy Sheehan and Dennis Kucinich who else should be off limits for attacks?

[bryant69]

Just out of curiosity?

Oh and in case anybody is wondering I'm an attention whore and a blog whore, and at least two other kinds of whore which I will not be divulging at this time.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Dark]

1. George W. Bush!

:P

[bryant69]

4. That's not a good idea

First of all 90% of DU would dissappear if we weren't allowed to attack Bush

Secondly Bush really is a bastard and deserves attack.

Bryant

[LittleClarkie]

69. I've never been a mother who lost her child

Some say I have no right to criticize therefore.

But I also have never been president.

Hence I must not have the right to criticize the president either, eh?

Would seem to be the same sort of logic.

[onenote]

2. I'll vote to make you off limits for attacks if you'll do the same for me

[patricia92243]

3. I vote for Hillary to be off-limits (I wish.) n/t

[Adelante]

5. Good luck with that one

:D

[Fleshdancer]

6. No one is off limits

What I don't understand is when someone attacks a Democrat here and is SHOCKED at the response. It's DU so of course you're going to get a battle when starting a battle. :shrug:

[Forkboy]

7. No one is off limits.

Some people may want them to be,but that's not how things work.

I am very glad to see the people who attacked her taking the shit they deserve for it though,because they aren't off limits either.

[BurtWorm]

8. bryant69

:patriot:

[Crazy Dave]

9. You can't say a liberal musician or actor sucks either

Just because they're liberal and they hate George Bush you cannot dislike their music or movies. Or criticize the plain stupid things they say sometimes being isolated in Hollyworld and surrounded by "yes-men" whose paychecks depend on them.

[Edgeoforever]

10. There's no imunity - but solid arguments are recommended.

I can respect Cindy and not follow her actions but rather react to the individual voters of this disaster. I can respect DK for most of his actions but wish he'd join the rest on important strategical votes (such as the suplemental WITH the time limits)

[Donnachaidh]

11. this is nonsense -- NO HANDS OFF Anyone!

I can see why some might want to call the hands off on Cindy, especially in light of the crap flying over the last two days -- but Kucinich? OP wants to sneak in a personal selection there?

I'll say it again -- we are in the trouble we are in NOW because of the deification and *hands off* calls in the past. It's totally hypocritical to be calling this NOW.

Politicians and public figures are NOT on pedestals. And they should never be put on them either.

[bettyellen]

12. oh please, what total bullshit this is...

i wish i could unrecommend.

[bryant69]

13. And yet you seem unable to come up with an actual criticism of it

Interesting.

Bryant

[Donnachaidh]

15. and you seem to be ignoring the other criticisms of it --

why is that?

[Richard Steele]

22. Ok, how's "pointless flamebait" strike you? That's certainly an actual criticism.

And a valid one. What point does this serve,
except to stir up more shit? The same shit
we already have several threads full of?

You start with a snarky, disruptive title,
and then add NOTHING to it.

[bryant69]

23. Well I am an attention whore

You kind of have to expect that sort of thing from me.

Bryant

[Forkboy]

33. We do

[terisan]

34. Cindy was on the front lines; are you just in front of a computer???

[bryant69]

40. Oh - good one. Say are you in front of a computer too?

Or do you access DU from cellphone or what?

Bryant

[terisan]

41. Yes & when I am I don't indulge myself by taking potshots at those on the front lines.

[bryant69]

42. Well your inate nobility is an inspiration to us all. n/t

[terisan]

43. I think of it as exercising my intelligence.

[bettyellen]

58. it's a completely false characterization of the feelings of Cindy's supporters...

in other words, pure bullshit.
it would be nice if people realized she was an anti war activist, not a pro dem activist... so they could at least criticise her in the proper context. it ain;t about what cindy has done for (your candidate here) lately. and frankly, anyone who is upset eith her turning against dems is damned naive.

[MrPrax]

14. More damage control...

Yeah yeah free speech...

But let's not forget what happened...one of the most prominent, outspoken, internationally recognized peace activists on the planet just told the democratic party to fuck itself on Memorial Day.

It wasn't Sheehan or the Creepers or Naderites or the Deaniacs or any other 'target' that made the democratic party look bad...

good grief...now you want to attack Kucinich? He's a shrimp...why are people afraid of that guy now?

[stirlingsliver]

17. "He's a Shrimp?"

"He's a shrimp"???

WTF is that supposed to mean?

WTF does his stature have to do with -- anything?

[stirlingsliver]

18. Paul Wellstone

I would be most upset to see any criticism of Paul Wellstone.

[MrPrax]

24. It's a pun...

He's a small fish...he isn't someone who is going to raise 100s of millions of dollars so he can get his message out via the corporate media.

You know, a small humble conscience candidate doing the best he can in the War Party V.2, but nonetheless still gets 'drive bys' because of his anti-war positions.

(oh...Is Kucinich short? I have only seen pixs of the guy or seen him once in a blue moon on TV like the debates, I didn't notice how tall he was?)

[bryant69]

19. I'm not afraid of him

But I know criticizing him around here doesn't usually go over well.

Bryant

[Goblinmonger]

35. If ONE post on DU

caused Cindy to tell the entire Democratic Party to go fuck itself, then I think there are burnout issues or something else at play.

[Tigress DEM]

38. I think the post was AFTER she had told the party off.

But plenty of people here are furious at the DEMS for lying down and downright lying.

Many people, like Cindy, look at the actions and don't give anyone a free ride because of party affiliation.

July 4th Cindy was going to be in Washingtion along with many others declaring our independence from this rogue administration, but if Americans would rather sit in the dark and attack her from a computer screen, then why should she try to stand up and fight against her own party as well?

Still, the woman also died last summer. Maybe it is a good idea she take a little break and nurture her own life and mend her own relationships. She has certainly done more than her share to bring attention to this issue.

9/24/2005 there were 1/2 a million protestors in WASH DC, 9/25/2005 Cindy got arrested with 200+ people. The media tried to make it seem that it was only "thousands" of people there 9/24 and we got less coverage than a St Bernard that swallowed a butcher knife and lived. There were over 1000 people watching when Cindy et al got arrested. But she was the only one the media would cover.

NOW what we have to do is draw attention to the other MILLIONS of people who are protesting this war and get the media to cover the real numbers. SINCE it can't be ALL ABOUT Cindy anymore we NEED to get this REVOLUTION Televised.

[William769]

16. You would think common sense is all that is needed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Yeah! Hey! What the hell!

If I can't call the mother whose son was killed in war a whore, who can I attack?

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Oh For Cryin Out Loud. Another "Hey, Everybody! Look At Me!" Post.

I mean c'mon now, you know how ridiculous this thread is and you know damn well what the responses will be. You also know damn well that either of those you mentioned are open to critique when done within the rules and it is quite disingenuous for you to insinuate otherwise. Fact is, you know flat out that your premise is false, but chose to post it anyway just for sake of being provocative and seeking attention. Let's be real here...

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. The problem is that DU is a place where it is ok to call those who disagree with you all kinds of

terrible names:

Diane Sawyer: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x934525

Al Sharpton: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2840982&mesg_id=2841163

Hillary Clinton :http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3162428

Katie Couric: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3182385&mesg_id=3183700

Jeanine Pirro: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=169&topic_id=6971

It was only a matter time until a sacred cow was skewered.

[npincus]

26. can criticism/ discourse at least be civil to those on our side?

Can we save our expletives for MONKEYboy, CHIMPeror, Commander Codpiece, and his ilk, and save the namecalling and vitriol when critiqueing those who stand with us against George B*sh and his shitty war? I don't get why we have to be f*cking nasty and distrespectrful towards one another; that just makes our enemies laugh.

Yeah, free speech and all. But I think it's the anonymity of cyberspace that makes some so snarky and/or vicious and type sentiments they would never express to another Dem's face. I WOULD tell George B*sh he's a f*cking murderer, yes. But calling someone who's fighting to end the war a "whore" is f*cking nasty. We are better than that. There are other civil and respectful ways to express disagreement.

My O-pinion.

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. Except that some have decided that Cindy is no longer on our side

Once that determination is made, she is fair game.

[uppityperson]

32. can criticism/ discourse at least be civil? Regardless of side?

[Freddie Stubbs]

56. Probably not on DU with the current rules

[Beelzebud]

27. You can saw what you want about anyone.

But don't be shocked when people call you an asshole for it.

[NightWatcher]

28. no one is off limits, but you better have a damn good reason to attack someone

or, in lieu of attacking them, why dont we question their actions?

If we are reduced to name calling, we look like morons. I love to go at anyone with my facts vs their facts, but name calling is weak.



In case you were wondering (look below)

[Jersey Devil]

30. Chief Joseph - He quit too because, well, everyone has their limits

1877

I WILL FIGHT NO MORE FOREVER

(Surrender Speech)

by Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce

I WILL FIGHT NO MORE FOREVER -

I am tired of fighting.

Our chiefs are killed.

Looking Glass is dead.

Toohulhulsote is dead.

The old men are all dead.

It is the young men who say no and yes.

He who led the young men is dead.

It is cold and we have no blankets.

The little children are freezing to death.

My people, some of them,

Have run away to the hills

And have no blankets, no food.

No one know where they are-

Perhaps they are freezing to death.

I want to have time to look for my children

And see how many of them I can find.

Maybe I shall find them among the dead.

Hear me, my chiefs, I am tired.

My heart is sad and sick.

From where the sun now stands

I will fight no more forever. - -

[UTUSN]

31. Why, obviously: Hugo, Fidel, and AMLO!!1 (snort!!1) n/t

[Tigress DEM]

36. Everyone. Attacks are a stupid way of presenting information.

Maybe we should consider WHY the Congress has such archaic structure to it's debates.

WHY should you have to call some one you consider a complete asshole "The distinguished gentleman from..."

It's because to have a civilized debate that results in a civilized decision for a civilized nation you have to be well... civilized about it.


Disagree all you want. I certainly have never supported EVERY word that comes out of Cindy's mouth, but as a DEM I FIGHT with everything in me for her right to her own opinion. She really didn't ASK to be the face of the movement. She just set up shop to get an answer to her question as a way of processing her grief and trying to bring attention to the issue. I suppose she may have thought so many other people would get involved that she would be just one of many, NOT THE ONLY ONE.


And you are only a WHORE if someone is paying you to attack others in these types of forums.

If you just relish the attention, really it's more of a slutty thing.

[dbackjon]

37. Hugo Chavez, of course

And Joe Lieberman, since you can not attack anyone that leaves the Democratic Party.

[SlipperySlope]

49. Hugo Chavez - Absolutely no criticism!

After all, the "enemy of my enemy" must be frigging saint, no?

[NaturalHigh]

64. Damn Straight!

Hugo may be a freaking dictator, but he's OUR freaking dictator! Hell, he even hugged Cindy!

[LSK]

39. Michael Moore n/t

[NoPasaran]

44. Laura Brannigan

[Clark2008]

59. SNORT!!!

:rofl:

Now I have "Gloria" running through my brain. :7

[JVS]

65. That no talent hack?

[Name removed]

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[bryant69]

46. Yes

I admit that on my blog I have sections entitled a year of ann coulter, and Best Posts 2002-2004 Rush Limbaugh. What a shocker.

OF course what those refer to, and I encourage any of you assholes to verify it is, critiques and attacks on Ann Coulter and Critiques and attacks on Rush Limbaugh.

For those of you who want to verify this
Ann Coulter - http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/Ann%20Coulter%20Web%20Page.htm
Rush Limbaugh - http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/Best%20Posts%202002%20to%202004%20Rush.htm

I guess I don't expect an apology.

Bryant

[DemDem07]

53. You should apologize for this 'waste of kilobytes' post first.

[LittleClarkie]

70. You haven't actually read his blog, have you

He's not a freeper.

[SlipperySlope]

47. N/T

[Bandit]

48. Me

Why should anyone pick on me I'm perfect...What is the point of your question? Are you deliberately trying to piss people off?

[WilliamPitt]

50. In your opinion, I guess, attackers should be off limits for attacks.

No one should be off limits.

But between the lines here, you seem to be complaining about attackers being attacked.

Maybe you should be off limits, yes?

Or not.

[AlCzervik]

51. did you get the pm i sent you about Amanda?

[bryant69]

52. Good comback

The tenor of the attacks might be more my problem than the existence of them. It's one to say that "Calling Cindy Sheehan that is crap because she really isn't" and another to say "Calling Cindy Sheehan that is crap because she's such a great person and we should never attack her"

Bryant

[grytpype]

54. Jesus

[Lilith Velkor]

55. Jimmy Carter. n/t

[yodermon]

57. What are your even talking about?

Those two are criticized all the time.
Right here.
Silly.

[Name removed]

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[Geek_Girl]

61. George Clooney

nt

[bobbolink]

62. No Human Being Needs To Be Attacked. Period.

Only Georgies get off on attacks.

[Downtown Hound]

63. Yet another crybaby post whining about catching flak

for attacking grieving mothers that have lost a son in this war and then campaign against it.

Get over it dude. This whole act is starting to wear really fucking thin.

[REP]

66. Nursing Mothers and Puppies

[devilgrrl]

67. People's hairdos

eom

[riverdale]

68. David Hasselhoff

Don't hassle the Hoff!