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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:13 AM
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Cheney criticizes the Geneva Convention
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_criticizes_Geneva_Convention_in_Military_0526.html

Cheney criticizes the Geneva Convention in Military Academy commencement address Michael Roston
Published: Saturday May 26, 2007

Vice President Dick Cheney criticized the notion of applying the Geneva Convention to individuals captured in the course of the war on terrorism in a Saturday commencement address at the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York.

"Capture one of these killers, and he'll be quick to demand the protections of the Geneva Convention and the Constitution of the United States," the Vice President said in the Saturday morning speech. "Yet when they wage attacks or take captives, their delicate sensibilities seem to fall away."

Cheney delivered the remarks in the context of moral and ethical lessons that the graduating cadets at West Point had learned in the course of their study.

"You have lived by a code of honor, and internalized that code as West Point men and women always do," he said. "As Army officers on duty in the war on terror, you will now face enemies who oppose and despise everything you know to be right, every notion of upright conduct and character, and every belief you consider worth fighting for and living for."

..more..

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:16 AM
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1. What the FUCK is the matter with these people???? They can't
even leave the "War on Terra" alone for two seconds.

Yeah, DickWad, living "by a code of honor" means torturing human beings just for the fucking fun of it.

Go Cheney yourself, Dick! :grr: :grr: :grr:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:25 AM
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2. Someone please take this man prisoner.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:46 PM
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16. Or at least support the efforts to impeach him. n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:52 AM
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3. That is the mark of a civilized nation, DICK
Like, when the cops arrest a child molester. Instead of just taking him out behind an abandon warehouse and beating him to death with a steak tenderizer while Tasering his testicles, like they want to, they bring him in, unharmed, to face justice!

Oh, and Dick, it's kinda the reason the people didn't (and still don't) rise up and toss you and Bush off of a pier. I'd give a more graphic example, but I don't want the post pulled.

Go back to supporting the party that sees your daughter and your newest grandchild as a mortal threat to American values and traditional marriage, you chickenhawk coward.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:43 PM
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15. krispos42...I like the way you think
...and your last paragraph is particularly great.
Lee
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:03 PM
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20. Why thank you
I just irritates me, because if this was Chelsea Clinton having an artificial-insemination baby while being in a committed lesbian relationship, Fox News would be on frothing 24-7 coverage, even though liberals like Hill, Bill, and Chelsea do not have a problem with it. Cheney and the right supporting it is hypocracy, not the Clintons and the left supporting it.
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dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 03:00 AM
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4. The threat is hyped for the convenience of those who crave power...
Cheney/PNAC -- The quintessential nightmare to the American Dream.

...Radicals at the helm of our ship of state.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 03:00 AM
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5. Of course he does.
if he had his way, he'd have humans stretched out on racks, put in Iron Maidens, yokes, thumbscrews, boiling oil, you name it. Sending anthrax to Democrats is just not as fulfilling as extreme, prolonged torture. No wonder he shot his friend in the face point blank. He is getting bored.



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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:41 PM
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13. Swamp Rat
Do you want to be adopted by two middle aged lesbians? <g> I love your mind and your pictures...
Lee
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:13 PM
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21. Sure!
:hug: It wouldn't be the first time. :D

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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:15 PM
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22. We're great cooks!
:hug:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 05:17 AM
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6. The guy is completely insane. A true psychopath. nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 07:05 AM
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7. Except for NAFTA, GAT, and CAFTA, this administration doesn't like international treaties.
Geneva Conventions
Kyoto Protochols
SALT Treaty

I've been waiting for Cheney to announce that the Monroe Doctrine is too limiting and that "North America" territories extend to Japan.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:27 PM
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24. It's SO 19th Century!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 07:09 AM
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8. Cheyney to West Point Grads:
"You have lived by a code of honor. Tell me, what's it like?"

:grr: :mad:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 07:13 AM
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9. He swooped in like the Angel of Death...
He spoke to the graduating class. The news report quoted the % of grads that would be "headed to Iraq, shortly" (it was large).

No one was speculating on the % that would die there.

Or why.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:37 PM
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11. there were of course demonstrators
but they were not let on campus.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 07:20 AM
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10. They tape back together their copy of the constitution when it's convenient
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:38 PM
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12. When he finally reaches The Hague he'll be bawling
Edited on Sun May-27-07 01:02 PM by malaise
for the same rights. Go fuck yourself Mr. Cheney!

Sp.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:42 PM
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14. k&r
Way to miss THE point Dick.
Lee
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:48 PM
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17. Addington, a "swell " guy...
ADDINGTON'S ROLE IN CHENEY'S OFFICE DRAWS FRESH ATTENTION

That's David (Geneva Convention is "Quaint") Addington


http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1030nj1.htm

By Murray Waas and Paul Singer

10-30-05

David Addington, counsel to Vice President Cheney, has been named to succeed Scooter Libby as Cheney's chief of staff. Addington's own role in the Plame matter is emerging just as the vice president selects him for the top job.

...

Further, Addington played a leading role in 2004 on behalf of the Bush administration when it refused to give the Senate Intelligence Committee documents from Libby's office on the alleged misuse of intelligence information regarding Iraq. Because Addington may be in line to succeed Libby, the Intelligence Committee-White House battle over the documents has sparked new interest on Capitol Hill.

....

Rockefeller's call for an inquiry by the Intelligence Committee captured the attention of many senators Friday, but did not attract wider press attention. It also surprised senators because Rockefeller, who is a political moderate, was often praised by the Republican chairman of the committee, Pat Roberts of Kansas, and other Republicans for serving as vice chairman in a bipartisan matter. Indeed, some other Democratic senators on the committee have privately complained that Rockefeller had not pressed Republicans hard enough on some oversight issues.

....

During confirmation hearings of Alberto Gonzales to be attorney general, it was revealed that Addington helped draft the White House memo that concluded that the Geneva Convention against torture did not apply to prisoners captured in the war on terror. The memo declared that terrorism "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

....

helped out that torture guy Gonzales too (who maybe under indictment also)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1262353&mesg_id=1262353



http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article323785.ece

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 01 November 2005
The Independent


Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the senior White House official charged over the CIA leak affair, is to appear in court this week, as investigators continue their inquiries into the activities of President George Bush's senior political adviser, Karl Rove.

An official said yesterday that Mr Libby would appear in a federal court in Washington on Thursday morning, where he would be formally charged, or arraigned. He faces five charges ­ two of lying to investigators, two of lying to a grand jury and one of obstructing justice ­ in relation to the leaking of the identity of a covert CIA operative, Valerie Plame.

Mr Libby, 55, has made it clear he will plead not guilty. He was replaced yesterday by David Addington, a longtime aide to Vice-President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser. Mr Addington was among the authors of a White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects.

Over the weekend Mr Libby's lawyers said they would argue that, as a busy White House official, he could not be expected to recollect the full details of every conversation he had with reporters. They will deny that he deliberately intended to lie to either investigators or members of the grand jury about what he had told reporters about Ms Plame.


http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/cheney-promotes

Cheney Promotes Individuals Named In Indictment

"Both Addington and Hannah are named in the indictment. Hannah was intimately involved in the strategy of leaking Plame’s identity. From the indictment:

13. Shortly after publication of the article in The New Republic, LIBBY spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. That official asked LIBBY whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press to rebut the allegations that the Vice President had sent Wilson. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line.

Addington provided legal counsel to Libby in helping to divulge Plame’s identity.

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.


Addington, a "swell " guy...
Cheney's Lawyer Addington
Penned Key Torture Memo
by Jeffrey Steinberg

David Addington, the General Counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney, was the actual author of one of the now-infamous White House "torture memos" that claimed for President Bush the authority to violate the Geneva Conventions on the Treatment of Prisoners of War, in the so-called "war on terrorism." The immediate result of this Hitlerian document was the scenes of inhuman torture at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, and the as-yet untold tales of similar torture at other secret prison locations in Afghanistan, at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in other countries around the world.



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3158

David S. Addington actively participated in the following events:
January 21, 2002 Torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere

White House lawyers visit Guantanamo Bay. On the flight back, Alberto Gonzales agrees with David Addington that all Guantanamo detainees should be designated eligible for trial by military commission under the president's November 13 Military Order (see January 20, 2002).
People and organizations involved: Alberto R. Gonzales, David S. Addington

'Passive' participant in the following events:
Torture, rendition, and other abuses against captives in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere - November 13, 2001 - President Bush issues a 3- ...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5223042
Page 4 - ("Under Secretary of State")International Security Affairs John Bolton or Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman?

Page 4 - ("A senior officer of the CIA") ?

Page 5 ("An aide to the VP") John Hannah - Senior Nation Security Aide or David Wurmser - Middle East Advisor?

Page 5 (CIA briefer") ?

Page 6 ("Libby's then Pincipal Deputy") John Hannah

Page 7 ("WH Press Secretary") Ari Fleicher?

Page 7 ("Counsel to the VP') David Addington?

Page 7 ("Ass't to the VP for Public Affairs") Catherine Martin (she was his press secretary)?

Page 7 ("MSNBC Reporter") Chris Matthews

Page 8 ("Official A") Karl Rove?

Page 8 (Other Officials) Plane trip from Norfolk

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/28/addington-involved-in-leak-scandal/

Scooter Libby’s replacement as chief of staff to the Vice President is reportedly a man named David Addington. He was formerly Cheney’s counsel, a position he held since 2001. According to the indictment, it appears that Addington was involved in the leak:

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.

Was Addington aware that he was facilitating alleged criminal conduct?

Unitary Executive theory

http://alternet.org/blogs/themix/#27514

Scooter Libby's insta-replacement, David Addington, believes in the Unitary Executive theory. If you guessed that this meant the power of one CEO who decides liberty and justice for all, you wouldn't be far off. It's not too far from King of Everything, really.

Here's a description of how it works by a legal theorist from Michigan Law School:

Several scholars have recently rearticulated the "unitary executive theory" of Article II , arguing that Article II vests the power to execute federal law solely in the President of the United States. Unitarians do not maintain that the President must personally execute all laws; Congress may establish an administrative bureaucracy and identify particular officials to assist the President in carrying out legislatively prescribed tasks. But, unitarians argue, such officials must always remain subject to the President's direction.

According to Raw Story, Bush has made at least 95 decisions since 2001 using this unitary logic, including many of his ill-fated choices relating to torture and the Geneva Conventions. And who was the author of the infamous "torture memo?"

David Addington.

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_S._Addington

Primary Role in Bush Admin's POW Policies

....

Former attorney general William P. Barr suggested to Gonzales's staff early on that those captured on the battlefield go before military tribunals instead of civil courts. But Ashcroft and Michael Chertoff, his deputy for the criminal division, both adamantly opposed the plan, along with military lawyers at the Pentagon. The result was that the process moved slowly."

"Addington was the first to suggest that the issue be taken away from the Prosper group and that a presidential order be drafted authorizing the tribunals that he, Gonzales and Timothy E. Flanigan, then a principal deputy to Gonzales, supported. It was intended for circulation among a much smaller group of like-minded officials. Berenson, Flanigan and Addington helped write the draft, and on Nov. 6, 2001, Gonzales's office secured an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel that the contemplated military tribunals would be legal."


"The task of summarizing the competing points of view in a draft letter to the president was seized initially by Addington. A memo he wrote and signed with Gonzales's name -- and knowledge -- was circulated to various departments, several sources said. A version of this draft, dated Jan. 25, 2002, was subsequently leaked. It included the eye-catching assertion that a 'new paradigm' of a war on terrorism 'renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners." More...

http://whateveralready.blogspot.com/2005/10/i-have-brand-new-national-journal.html

by Murray Wass
Thursday, October 27, 2005

....

Cheney has tried to increase executive power with a series of bold actions -- some so audacious that even conservatives on the Supreme Court sympathetic to Cheney's view have rejected them as overreaching. The vice president's point man in this is longtime aide David Addington, who serves as Cheney's top lawyer.

Where there has been controversy over the past four years, there has often been Addington. He was a principal author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects. He was a prime advocate of arguments supporting the holding of terrorism suspects without access to courts.

Addington also led the fight with Congress and environmentalists over access to information about corporations that advised the White House on energy policy. He was instrumental in the series of fights with the Sept. 11 commission and its requests for information...

....

Even in a White House known for its dedication to conservative philosophy, Addington is known as an ideologue, an adherent of an obscure philosophy called the unitary executive theory that favors an extraordinarily powerful president.

....

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/libby_resigns_b.php

Libby Resigns, But Was His Replacement Involved in the Leak?

Posted by Joe Rospars on October 28, 2005 at 04:34 PM


The crack team over at Think Progress has the scoop on Libby's replacement in the White House:

Scooter Libby’s replacement as chief of staff to the Vice President is reportedly a man named David Addington. He was formerly Cheney’s counsel, a position he held since 2001. According to the indictment, it appears that Addington was involved in the leak:

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.

Was Addington aware that he was facilitating alleged criminal conduct?

You'll remember that Republican leader Tom DeLay handed his leadership post to another ethically-challenged Republican, Roy Blunt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22665-2004Oct10.html

In Cheney's Shadow, Counsel Pushes the Conservative Cause
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, October 11, 2004; Page A21

The vice president's point man in this is longtime aide David Addington, who serves as Cheney's top lawyer....

Where there has been controversy over the past four years, there has often been Addington. He was a principal author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects. He was a prime advocate of arguments supporting the holding of terrorism suspects without access to courts.

Addington also led the fight with Congress and environmentalists over access to information about corporations that advised the White House on energy policy. He was instrumental in the series of fights with the Sept. 11 commission and its requests for information. And he was a main backer of the nomination of Pentagon lawyer William J. Haynes II for a seat on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit. Haynes's confirmation has been a source of huge friction on Capitol Hill.

Colleagues say Addington stands out for his devotion to secrecy in an administration noted for its confidentiality. He declined to be interviewed or photographed for this article, and he did not respond to a list of specific points made in the article.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 02:50 AM
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26. excellent
I believe we may have discussed this dude before! :crazy:
If people only knew...
:hi:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:48 PM
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18. And this is after The Dean from West Point went to the tv show 24
Edited on Sun May-27-07 12:49 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/22/1448252

Thursday, February 22nd, 2007
Is Torture on Hit Fox TV Show “24” Encouraging US Soldiers to Abuse Detainees?

This past fall, the Dean of West Point, Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, along with experienced military and FBI interrogators and representatives of Human Rights First, met with the creative team behind the hit Fox Television show “24” and tell them to stop using torture because American soldiers were copying the show’s tactics. We speak with two of the delegation’s members -- former Army interrogator Tony Lagouranis, who served one year in Iraq and David Danzig, director of the Prime Time Torture Project for Human Rights First. Is torture on television encouraging US soldiers to abuse detainees?

* Scene from Fox television series “24.”

The hit television series on the Fox Television network has a weekly audience of 15 million viewers. Each season of 24 depicts an impossibly tense day in which counter-terrorism agent Jack Bauer has just 24 hours to stop a terrorism plot that endangers the country. Faced with this “ticking time-bomb” scenario, Bauer invariably chooses torture to force suspects to divulge critical information.

Some of the torture tactics on 24 include drugging, water-boarding, electrocution or power-drilling into a man’s shoulder. In five seasons of the show, there have been no less than sixty-seven torture scenes according to the Parents Television Council - that’s more than one every show.

This past fall, the Dean of West Point, Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, along with experienced military and FBI interrogators and representatives of Human Rights First, flew to Southern California to meet with the creative team behind 24 and tell them to stop using torture because American soldiers were copying the show’s tactics. The meeting was first revealed this month by The New Yorker Magazine.

Well the Philadelphia Inquirer reports the show has decided to cut back on torture. Not because of complaints but, they say, because it has become something of a cliche. Tony Lagouranis is one of the former Army interrogator who met the show’s writers in November. He served for a year in Iraq. He joins us from a studio in Chicago. And in our firehouse studio we are joined by David Danzig, director of the Prime Time Torture Project for Human Rights First. He was also in the group that met with the producers of 24. We asked Joel Surnow - the creator of 24 or any representative from the show to be on the program but they denied our request.

* Tony Lagouranis. Former Army Interrogator.

See Democracy Now!'s in-depth interview with Lagournais.

* David Danzig. Campaign Manager for Human Rights First’s campaign to address abuses that have taken place in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:55 PM
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19. Hey Dick if you're so determined to attack
go over and do it your damn self and leave the rest of us out of it.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:26 PM
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23. So what's Cheney's point? Become like the terrorists? I mean, I know HE has....
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:52 PM
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25. Cheney believes there is no difference between us and the terrorists.
If they commit atrocities, so should we, this is an easy position, because for him, it's all a game. To five deferment Cheney, the military are nothing but chess pieces, I dare say, he's lost his humanity, if he ever had it. The ultimate question for history is, will his disease infect the rest of the American People and undermine everything we have stood for regarding torture since the days George Washington refused to do it against the Hessians.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 03:06 AM
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27. Cheney is insane.
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